Ever since getting an EV, I’ve noticed drivers to be a-holes! This guy in a huge truck spit in my direction for no reason!
All over social media people will key teslas, and talk crap. Has anyone else had weird experiences?
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Because people are stupid and people suck.
Politics.
6months in on mine and have not experienced this. I have a Bolt though so I feel like it kinda blends in
Medias are paid by oil makers and automakers. The formers always hated EVs, the latters tried to sell theirs and then realized they would have just lost money doing so, and now are reverting to ICEs and hybrids. The result is an anti-ev campaing being paid by all the major sponsor of traditional media. Fake, old and twisted informations about EVs are constantly spread all over internet, papers and tv shows. Here in Italy most people thinks that “lobbies” pushed for the EV agenda to force people to buy new, impossibly expensive EVs, just to make people poorer (just saying…)
I was at a Tesla owners gathering at one of Alaska’s two superchargers. We had about 20 teslas parked there in -5 Fahrenheit, just standing around talking about teslas. A guy in an ICE truck stopped in front of us, then tried to spin out as he took off. It was a pathetic attempt since it was icy out and he still couldn’t manage a proper burn out. We just laughed because we knew our teslas could do a lot better. My conservative parents and relatives hate EV’s because they suddenly became environmentalists when they realized that they didn’t like mining for battery chemicals even though they want more oil drilling.
Point out the 10’s of billions of lithium batteries used in cell phones, laptops, tablets, cordless power tools etc and see if they all stop using them.
I’ve done this. The answer is, “that’s different.”
I think I should come up with a product that uses a chainsaw engine to power cell phones. I’ll call it “Freedom Power.”
Republicans are brainwashed to hate whatever liberals like. It’s their most fundamental program. If liberals cured cancer repubs would refuse the cure.
I’ve also found the reverse. Liberals tend to hate whatever republicans like.
Such as?
One example is the recent immigration to NY. Because Republicans are against immigration generally, liberals thought they were for it, until recently when the influx became too much, and they realized maybe the Republicans were right after all.
Many assumptions lead to many wrong answers.
Agree, I am too while owning a Tesla & eMoto bike with no ICE for backup. I’d say thats “all in”. No reason to paint with a broad brush.
Sure, and many Republicans quietly got vaxxed for COVID while supporting GOP leaders who railed against vaccines and wearing masks. Plenty of Republicans “know better” but simply choose to ignore it when their leaders wage their culture wars against EVs, e-bikes and such.
No, re rallyed against vax mandates, for freedom of choice and following the data. The commies closing down everything was BS. And the darn vax is more like an innoculation as it doesn’t work that well against the variants. I still got Covid last year after 4 or 5 shots.
I still got Covid last year after 4 or 5 shots.
Somehow, I don’t believe you given that you can’t even recall how many vaccines you received.
You’re an exception.
Many is not one. Many assumptions read to many wrong answers.
Covid taught me they will cut off their nose to spite their face.
I’ve not had any bad experiences in public. Online seems to be the breeding ground for Luddite personalities. Best to just ignore those threads or social platforms where that negative mindset flourishes
I live in the middle of F150 country and have only had positive experiences. I feel like people just read into people being assholes while driving. They weren’t an asshole to you because your car is electric they’re just assholes
I agree.
ZERO problems here either and I live in Iowa. Gotten a few thumbs up from other EV drivers of all makes.
Haven’t seen that much on social media either except weird disinformation stuff like possibly the OP.
Also iowa and same experience.
Yup, same here. I guess I get overtaken more often, but that’s about as bad as it gets in person. The shit talking happens online - but it’s mostly confined to car discussion circles.
What’s pretty hilarious is that if you go back nearly 30 years, to a Friends episode in the first season, Rachel has a bad date with a guy who can’t stop ranting about Ed Begley Jr’s EV (“I’m like, hey, get a real car!”). The mindset doesn’t seem to be a new thing.
I’d guess it comes from the same place as people who rant about vegans, as if the thing that bothers them more than anything in the world is vegans saying that they’re vegan. The very word is offensive to them. It’s very hard to understand.
Just responding to you because you’re the top comment.
I dislike electric cars. Firstly they aren’t really any better for the environment than gas cars because only like %30 of emissions from cars come from the literal tailpipe of the car. And in the US you still have the same problem, You’ve just moved the tailpipe. The vast majority of emissions come from manufacturing, maintenance of the cars themselves as well as maintenance of roads and everything else that cars allow. Electric cars are just large corporations trying to sell you the idea that we can consume our way out of a problem that was caused by overconsumption. Even besides the fact that they aren’t very green, Cars are extremely inefficient people movers and extremely dangerous.
Truly green transportation, and what I believe to be the future of moving people will be walkable cities, electric trains that come so often you don’t need to check a schedule, and bicycles.
Electric cars are an ok bandaid but still have mostly the same problems as internal combustion cars.
Check out /R/fuckcars and notjustbikes on YouTube for more info. Also the book walkable cities by Jeff speck has an entire chapter about why electric cars suck.
Youre definitely not wrong in that evs can be as bad as an ice, though you overstate the equivaence of emissions created at the start of a vehicles life.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/19/business/electric-vehicles-carbon-footprint-batteries.html
“Last year, researchers from the universities of Cambridge, Exeter and Nijmegen in The Netherlands found that in 95% of the world, driving an electric car is better for the environment than driving a gasoline-powered car”
So yes, im most cases evs are better, unless the electricity you use is not renewable but rather very dirty coal. I live in ontario, where we run nuclear and hydro, fully green energy. In my case, an ev easily cuts total emissions in half.
Of course, bikes would be a dream. I love biking, i watch notjustbikes, and ive visited countries with biking infrastructure that is amazing. Unfortunately, western society is not build for bikes. Neighbourhoods are literally designed around cars (wtf!), but this feedback loop means more cars and more cities built for cars.
So whats the plan? Deconstruct america? Or take a step to produce a car that can be better for the environment while simultaneously increasing renewable energy production (bidens renewables stuff?).
Yes they’re better for the environment, I didn’t say they weren’t. I said they’re a good band aide but can’t be viewed as a long term sustainable solution.
But yeah, we’re going to have to overhaul our transportation infrastructure in the US in order to overcome this problem long term. Jeff speck does a pretty good job and describing where to get started with that in his book walkable cities. Some first steps might include removing mandatory parking requirements and making it legal to build mixed use developments.
One thing I thing many people overlook is how in many ways, and for many people, an electric car is a more PLEASURABLE option over gas vehicles.
No oil changes, no warm up time, 99% of the time there’s no ‘fueling up’ out in the cold (charging at home in the garage), and they’re smoother, quieter and faster.
The arguments over “which is greener” and how it’s some giant conspiracy lie are arguments that will exist until this generation is dead. “Those dang horseless carriages WILL NEVER replace a horse!!!”
It’s not a giant conspiracy, it’s just that cars are extremely inefficient transportation and are unsustainable, and dangerous. The goal should be reducing car usage to as little as possible and what’s left should be electric. I don’t think your horse and buggy analogy is applicable here because you’re the one who’s advocating for a nearly 100 year old technology over modern design and infrastructure principles.
Personally I’d rather have an electric car than a gas car but I’d rather not have to own a car at all. I’d rather have safe, walkability with public transit so robust that I can get anywhere I need to go without checking a schedule.
You think people hate EVs? Try riding a bicycle. Keep in mind that half the population has below average intelligence, and they’re all on social media.
The Half below average intelligence also are deep into tribalism.
“Damn them stupid people. I hope they stay in their own group.”
Wonderful irony.
Also keep in mind that bots are up to 40% of internet traffic. There are massive pay to play troll farm operations and obviously OPEC nations and Russia have huge vested interest in keeping EVs down. Look at Gamer-gate and how well the managed to program youth to have a more ahh “conservative slant” to reality or what some might call alternative facts.
Fucking 4chan.
I used to follow all the rules of the road and stayed in bike lanes for my safety. After so many trucks seeing how close they could get to me while flooring it and spraying me with exhaust, I stopped riding on streets. Too many hit and runs never closed, and all those people gambling with my life, I stopped riding except on trails. I love doing triathlons so for me it was not riding to commute but riding for fitness. But yeah people suck in general.
No, half the population has below “median” intelligence.
Median is an average, as are mode and mean.
Average = mean. Median is not an average. Average has a specific definition and it’s not the same as median or mode.
No mean is an average.
Mode is the most common number is a dataset.
Median is the number that is in the middle of the database ordered.
For example: 0,0,0,0,1,1,1,5,10
Mean: 2
Mode: 0
Median 1
All three attempt to find the tendency to the center, which is what an average actually is. Mean is the most commonly used average, and median follows, mode is almost never used as an average.
The fact that people use average as synonymous with mean doesn’t change the fact that it isn’t.
Do we have any reason to believe that intelligence doesn’t follow a normal distribution? It’s uncommon for these types of variables not to do so, so mean and median should be the same here.
From personal observations it appears to be more Log-Normal, but…
Are you sure it’s half and not more? … at least in US it seems to be more than half.
Think about how dumb the average person is and then realize that half of the people are dumber than that
“Half of the population had below average intelligence and they are all on social media.” So true. So funny.
I don’t “hate” EVs, in fact I like the ride quality of an EV.
However, EVs are just not as convenient as ICE vehicles as of now.
Until the day when EVs are 1) 400+ miles in range even in colder weather, 2) less than 10 minutes 0-100% charging times, and 3) charging network is at least half as saturated as gasoline pumps, I will keep owning traditional ICEs while open to renting EVs for shorter trips.
I’m going to stay opposed to long range as an alternative to more infrastructure. I don’t want to pay to drag twice as much battery weight and associated higher motor weight around all the time for range I might use a handful of times a year. Doing so is akin to driving a large pickup truck all the time to visit Home Depot once each spring to buy 20 bags of mulch.
But you see the irony here is, if you stay with ICEs you don’t have the weight problem to start with. It is exactly because you WANT to commit to EVs that created the problems of battery weights.
If you stay with ICE’s you have the problem of climate change.
Dealing with either limited range or heavier vehicles is a lot easier than dealing with climate change.
I don’t hate EV.
knock on wood I’ve had nothing but positive interactions since I got my EV.
One dude came over to compliment me on how awesome it looks, although he started whining a bit when he realized it was an EV and not gas powered. I promptly told need the conversation and moved on afterwards lol.
Some times talking to dumb people just isn’t worth your time.
The people that speak the loudest are the people who never driven one or charged one.
There was a study done in Norway this year tjat showed that the majority of people with range anxiety for electric cars had never owned or driven one.
Isn’t that going to be a self-selecting group? People for whom range isn’t an issue are obviously going to buy them since their situation allows it.
Maybe range anxiety of the non-owner group is misplaced for a subset, but without additional detail it could also be a valid concern amongst that cohort depending on use.
There’s also the simple fact that the vast majority of cars on the road in Norway are still not BEVs, so the “never owned one” cohort is likely to have more opinions (of all types) anyway by virtue of being ~4x the size of the BEV owner cohort.
Depends how you define “vast majority”. Electric cars are getting close to 25% of cars on Norwegian roads now.
It was 20% in March this year. Not sure when the “study” was undertaken, but I’d say 80% is the vast majority compared to the 20% alternative, and so it’s not a surprise that the 80% contains more opinions (of all types, not just concern about range) than the 20%. With that difference in size, you can make a “study” say whatever you want as long as you selectively report that “people who don’t have an EV say X” without providing that context.
There’s probably more people having sex every day amongst people who have never owned an EV, too. More people with an IQ over 180 as well. All meaningless, but hey it’s a study and that’s what it says.
Once you factor in that someone for whom range is an issue is unlikely to buy an EV, it seems like a no-brainer that the 4x larger cohort would have more concerns about range.
By the way, I followed your link, as 20% sounded low to me. The pie chart on the source says 23,6% of all cars in Norway is electric.
Which is more in line with what the State Road Authority said in July this year: We are approaching 24% electric car ownership.
https://www.vegvesen.no/om-oss/presse/aktuelt/2023/07/nar-24-prosent-elbilandel/
Considering over 80% of new cars sold are electric now, my guess of 25% now is probably accurate. We will see when new numbers come out next year.
Your own link says that 83% of new cars in Norway are BEV, the 20% is total cars on the road, including used. The nearly 5x cohort of new car buyers have no problem with range.
Day to day I have 0 range anxiety. When it is really hot or really cold, it starts creeping in. When it’s a particularly busy day and really cold, the anxiety is full force in my M3. I expect this to be resolved in the next gen not only for the better battery tech and efficiencies, but due to destination chargers popping up in more and more places.
I would have 0 anxiety, and just a minor annoyance, even on the coldest days, if I could just plug in at 240/30a at one of my destinations for an hour or two.
Newer Teslas have more efficient heat pumps that use very little energy. I have a 2019 Model 3 that loses a lot of range in winter, but the loss in my 2021 Model Y is hardly noticable.
In Norway you can’t throw a rock anywhere without hitting a charger, though, so there is rarely a risk of running out of battery.
I’m jealous for your chargers. It’s not like I drive more than a few hundred miles in any give direction. East or West from where I am is fine. North or South on the other hand. There are a few chargers, but I would be driving 30 minutes out of my way to get to them. It’s massively inconvenient.
Heatpumps below 45F start to steeply decline in efficiency. Trying to warm my car up on a 20F day (which is how I start most days 4 months out of the year) saves me, at most 1.5kw an hour with a heat pump. That’s 6 miles an hour if the rest of the M3 is running perfectly. During 3 hours of driving, I would gain about 18 miles. Although not insignificant, it’s not some holy grail to EV range and not enough to make a noticeable difference.
I just really wish our charging infrastructure was better in the US. Give it another 5 years and I think we’ll be just fine.
20F is -6C, which would be a mild winter day where I’m from. And honestly, even with those temperatures and snow on the roads I don’t notice that much range loss in my 2021, compared to losing almost half in my 2019 without heat pump.
Tests in Norway show a range loss of around 6% in newer Teslas during winter.
They literally removed the only two public electric chargers in the entire 40,000 person city next to mine and the city commissioners’ reasons were “well I don’t have one and I don’t plan on getting one.”
The crazy part is one commissioner had two electric cars and said they can remove the chargers because they weren’t fast enough. No talk of replacing them, so the charge speed is 0kwh now.
Where in the world did that happen?
It’s because an EV owner is most likely a liberal obviously
I think you are correct. In a conservative and love my EV.
Yes. I’ve seen a few social media posts where someone says they used to hate EVs and then they came around and tried one and now they own one lately. Those are encouraging.
Redditors do be like that especially after they turned on Elon. So quick to shit on Tesla but never had a chance to sit in or drive one. Same goes for any ev. They’re just better than ice cars.
Downvoters haven’t driven an EV.
yes, and pardon me I just dont like or support Nazis.
As a Jew, you’re watering down the term massively, ultimately resulting in making a real genocide look like a walk in the park. Don’t do that.
The Tesla has been around long enough that it’s novelty is wearing off. Other options are now out there and while they might have their downside, they are an easier transition for many. I briefly flirted with a Tesla but ultimtely didn’t like too many things about it and went with a Kia hybrid for now.
Elon being a mega-douche is cherry on top.
Plenty of people think Elon is an idiot while still thinking Tesla’s are probably the best electric car out there. Also, plenty of deserved criticism of Tesla. That’s mostly what I see on Reddit rather than a blanket hatred of electric cars.
it’s the opposite in China now - but in a polite and unspoken way. eg: people buying an ICE car right now are seen as making a huge mistake. like… why on earth do they want to pay 10x to 12x MORE for gas than for home charging. madness!
(As someone who spends a lot of time in China and originally from there)
In China it’s a bit different. MOST Chinese cities have excellent public transport and all coastal and even inland cities that are third tier are serviced by high speed rail or regional trains that make Acela in the US look like a steam train.
Having a car is optional but a nice convenience. Like my cousin says often - if she forgets to charge her EV then she’ll hop on the subway 2 blocks away. In the US outside of NYC Boston and maybe Chicago not having a car means you aren’t getting anywhere realistically as the next bus is coming in an hour if it’s even available.
Uhm, steam trains were far more serviceable than what we have today…
Ignorance mainly.
Ignorance and smol pp’s are the reasons
