Hybrid is a cop out. It’s more expensive to manufacture, Toyota can’t even mass deploy plug-ins, and it’s a way for the oil industry to remain relevant.

Remember, they actively lobbied AGAINST EV subsidies. That’s how much they really care about reducing emissions.

Toyota can’t see the future. They’re poised to become to next Sears or Blockbuster and will be a lesson taught in MBA classes about not changing with market conditions.

Lots of hype for a mediocre car at the price. The conspiracy theorist in me wonders if Toyota didn’t use their muscle to convince Subaru to scrap the latest STI so that it wouldn’t steal thunder from the GR. We were all told it was coming a year after the WRX and then nothing. In theory, it should have outperformed the GR and I can see that embarrassing Toyota who owns a stake in Subaru

Such BS from GM. Had a reservation for one of these, now it’s years late and $10s of thousands more. Screw Ford and GM saying there’s lower demand while they overcharge and under deliver

Toyota has missed the EV boat. They keep making excuses but the truth is that they’ve had their head in the same for over a decade since Tesla launched the model S. Toyota lobbied against EV subsidies simply because they were so far behind.

They are slated to become the next Blockbuster or Sears. It may take a decade or so, but I don’t believe they can innovate. They couldn’t even implement a simple order process to help overcome supply chain backlogs, they were the least prepared and one of the most affected.

I compared the ID.4 Pro to an Ioniq 5 SEL, the Ioniq had a nicer interior and more features. The Pro trim of the ID.4 had hard plastics on the door, manual trunk, manual seat, etc. US sticker price was nearly $50k which to me is pretty poor value for the price

China’s leading the way (along with several US startups such as Tesla, Rivian, Lucid).

Drove VW’s ID.4 and was extremely disappointed given the price point. Nearly $50k, manual seats, smallish screens for an EV, sunroof optional, power liftgate optional, etc. plus the whole crappy dealer experience. The game has changed and I’m not sure that most of the traditional automakers have figured it out.

Maybe not directly, the closest we have is the Fisker Ocean, which is based on the Arcfox alpha-t, but assembled by Magna in Austria. So while there might be politics at play, we’re indirectly getting Chinese based EV tech.

They’re fantastic. The Japanese should be on notice since they seem to be ignoring electric. The US traditional domestics (Big 3) will need to step up their electric game. BYD, NIO, etc have it figured out.

I test drove the ID.4 this weekend. Pro trim, sticker around $50k. Plastic door panels, manual seats, no sunroof, manual lift gate.

Can’t wait to see what the $22k car looks like. Cardboard?

Tesla does a great job of including all the features on every trim. People are sick of traditional manufacturer games where you need to spend thousands more to step up a trim line to get something basic such as power seats

Considering how cheap the ID.4 looked at nearly $50k, I can’t imagine how cheap this is going to be. Tesla’s Model 2 seems like a better bet. I’m not a big Tesla fan, just soured after test-driving the ID.4 and being REALLY underwhelmed at $50k. Felt like a $30k car.

More toaster like than ever. Nothing good to say. An average entry into the sedan world, Toyota has forgotten how to innovate.

The M2 is a performance bargain. Biggest differentiator IMO are the tires. Had it come with the same tires as the Dark Horse, we would have seen better numbers.