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Thoughts? The Toyota truck fanbase is torn in half over these new generations of trucks.
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I rented a 2022 Tacoma when I took a trip and I enjoyed it. My brother enjoyed it so much that he bought one. The biggest problem I have with the older model is that it’s a $27K truck being sold for $40K+. It’s such a cheap and old platform that it flat doesn’t deserve the price tag. The new model seems to fix that, but buying the first year of a new vehicle is always risky. You’re the beta tester for everyone else.
Thoughts?
it was a day late, UNACCEPTABLE.
I will buy one in 2032 right before the mid-cycle refresh.
Why does that moron keep calling it a “corporate” engine? What would the alternative be? Some sexy ho of an engine with daddy issues?
He’s laying on the “try hard” way too thick.
Except for its ugliness
Love it, cant wait to upgrade from my 1st gen. Thats good a lot people dont like it, itll give me more options
Give my regards to the dealers, they wanted 20-25k over sticker for a Tundra TRD Pro and I can only imagine what they will do with these once they land stateside.
Lolz yeah the pros for sure will get a dealer surcharge, i dont think much of the regular trd tacos will.
It reminds me in every way of the Tundra. Which is to say I do think it delivers for that bulk of the market between the SR5 to TRD Off-road trims very well. And if the hybrid lives up to the fuel economy that will be great.
But I personally am a person who cares about the top of the market off-road capability. And like the Tundra… the Tacoma seems to let me down.
Particularly the TRD Pro and Trailhunter don’t do it for me. When Ford, GM, and Jeep have all truly moved the mid-size truck off-road capability to very high levels with the ZR2, Raptor, and Rubicon models… Toyota didn’t move forward much at all. Those companies are putting long travel suspensions, both front and rear lockers, special transfer cases with either 4WD Auto or extra low gearing, tire sizes, and much more aggressive clearances.
So… solid truck. But once again Toyota doesn’t design for me though. And I guess… that’s ok.
Yeah, I agree 100%. They made these new tacomas track width bigger, but they didn’t improve the suspension travel at all - iirc they achieved the wider track with some spacers or something like that. Meanwhile, the ranger raptor and colorado zr2 bison come with both lockers, much better power trains and eeked out every millimeter of suspension travel (practically) possible. But toyota fanboys will still buy these and think they have the best, most capable midsize trucks ever
Ironically I would take the Colorado Bison with the baby duramax over this new Tacoma and I used to be a huge Toyota fanboy. This really is the turning for point for Toyota where they are doubling down on the fanboys and ignoring the normal customers who will go to GM and Ford. You played yourself Toyota.
Maybe I’m just misremembering earlier videos but I swear they said everything you just mentioned except the long travel suspension was included on the TRD Pro and Trailhunter…
Long travel suspension is a huge deal. It is very expensive to do in the aftermarket (and you have to throw out a ton of parts you paid for from factory and your warranty to do it). And enhances every type of off-roading be it high speed or slow and technical. Toyota didn’t widen the axles or control arms on the new TRD Pro/TH. Whereas GM and Ford do widen the axles and control arms for the ZR2 and Raptor. And the Gladiator solid axles are still best for articulation at slow speeds.
The new Tacoma doesn’t have a front locker. The others do.
The Ranger Raptor is full-time 4WD. GM has an auto 4H. Jeep has the lowest range 4L by far. All unique features that Toyota lacks on the Pro and TH (they only offer auto 4H the Limited trim).
I also think the Trailhunter is a big missed opportunity to make a true from the factory overlander. Toyota puts the ARB shocks, which are good but again lack travel, and possibly different springs on it. And a rear steel bumper from ARB. But didn’t fully commit and offer a front winch capable steel bumper. Which GM does with the Bison and so does Jeep. Having these from the factory are far more important than a built in air compressor (neat but way cheaper and easier to do aftermarket, let alone the very real warranty and insurance implications when you do things like aftermarket steel bumpers).
The people who seriously won’t buy it because it has a turbo are crazy. Acting like turbos are a new technology or something lol.
Most of the people complaining about potential reliability issues are just finding something to whine about. Let’s be honest if they really cared that much about reliability in a car, they would just buy a Corolla and call it a day. I bet 80% of those Tacomas are just mall crawlers that will never utilize the full bed or see a speck of dirt in their lifetime
People still act like turbos haven’t been refined over the last 40 years.
Does anyone know? What is the failure rate, or need for turbo replacement during a car’s lifespan? Is it a guaranteed must replace in 10, 15, or 20 years? Or do they tend to last the life of the vehicle?
Depends on the design and how the vehicle is cared for. Under normal operation, keeping up with maintenance (mainly making sure it has decent oil), typically the turbo will last the life of the vehicle.
It’s not just the turbo that fails (they do) it’s all ancillary parts that go with it. It’s also the extra stress on the engine, which aren’t over built like they used to be. It’s the tighter packaging making working on other stuff a pain in the dick.
Is there a turbo engine, that’s known for its minimal maintenance and longevity?
I know it’s not the exactly the same but pretty much every diesel engine is a turbo. They are hailed as some of the most reliable engines in vehicles. GMs new 2.7l turbo gas engine is supposedly heavily based on a diesel engine and so far has a good track record since 2018 in the Silverado.
Just yesterday I spoke to my mechanic during my inspection and asked which brand he suggested to avoid and without thought replied GM.
He also had a Ram truck in the shop, a o ring in an injector went. The truck was under 100k, yes with the diesel.
Everyone who is down voting similar sentiments as mine on the risk of reliability going to turbo I bet you doesn’t actually work on their cars and probably a good chunk just lease. Making the problem of reliability/maintenance irrelevant.
Will see in a few years.
“A hybrid?! From Toyota?! They’ve never done hybrids before! This will surely be unreliable! A turbo?! Even worse!”
More things to break and adding complexity to a system that’s been around for 20 years with no major problems!!! /s
Weren’t the most recent v6 turbo tundras having watergate issues that put the car into limp mode? Turbos are far from new, but there’s a reason Toyota specifically took so long to implement them.
there’s a reason Toyota specifically took so long to implement them.
Because they were making money hand over fist from Tacoma and 4Runner buyers handing them 50k for dogshit engines and transmissions?
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Heya. 😎
Define dogshit. If all I want is reliability then those engines are basically the best there is.
If I’m willing to compromise MPG and some power for an engine that’ll last me 300k+ with minimal maintenance then that engine/trans is amazing. Does it also benefit Toyota to have such a long production cycle? Of course. But if people like it, and it works VERY well, why change it?
They’re definitely hyped up by the consumers, but Toyota would be a bad company not to take advantage of that hype. I do wish they did more about dealer mark ups but that’s an issue with every manufacturer.
Yeah they had a nasty wastegate issue that was supposedly just faulty design/manufacturing so in theory it’s fixed. Trust will take time to build.
It was much worse than that, it can legit grenade the engine and to replace the turbos is a cab-off job. Our local Toyota dealer is full of Tundras no one wants for this reason and Ford and GMC made serious head way this year for pickups over Toyota.
Tundras just had the best Q2/Q3 in many years tho
I work at the tundra plant and we make 800 minimum a day. Someone must be buying them 🤷♀️
It must be an area thing, here the Tundra launch was super botched and people were pissed and had piles of money waiting to buy stuff. High trim trucks here are super common and alot of people own them to tow boats, horse trailers, side by sides, and watercraft. It is mostly all GMCs and Fords, and the occasional Ram. All the Toyotas for most part are overlanding stuff like 4Runners and modified Tacomas.
If you are at the factory, I hope they design them with smaller A pillars (seriously it can hide stoplights and stop signs, and give an option to turn off the fake engine sound (dealer here charges $500 with a OBD tool for it good grief) along with more engine choices (v8 and a diesel please). I loved the interior on the TRD Pro and I wish the Capstone had more than white leather because in a truck that will get destroyed. Its not a bad truck, its just I wish Toyota did more.
I don’t know if that’s really the reason. Tundra sales have always been kind of low.
And Toyota was a frontrunner in reliable turbo technology 30 years ago. The supra and mr2 turbo are still solid reliable cars despite the turbochargers. If anyone is going to make a legitimately reliable turbo engine it’ll be Toyota.
If I wanted to get a tundra I’d get a tundra
I’m not going to pay dealership prices.
When I want a smaller truck, I’ll probably buy a used 2024 Trailhunter.
Those metal pedal covers, wtf are they thinking.
my SRT4 neon came with similar pads and I hated them. Incredibly slippery when wet…
This thing is also almost indiscernible from the colorado/canyon from some angles. lol.
if im getting a big truck i want a big engine with it, no ifs or buts
After reading a lot of the comments it seems the divide is very much people that want to be able to work on the cars when needed Vrs people who have the money to just go to the shop and have throw money at their problems lol.
What’s the actual real world fuel economy? That’s what I want to know.
It looks a million times better than the Tundra. Tundra is one of the ugliest trucks I’ve ever seen.