It must be an area thing, here the Tundra launch was super botched and people were pissed and had piles of money waiting to buy stuff. High trim trucks here are super common and alot of people own them to tow boats, horse trailers, side by sides, and watercraft. It is mostly all GMCs and Fords, and the occasional Ram. All the Toyotas for most part are overlanding stuff like 4Runners and modified Tacomas.

If you are at the factory, I hope they design them with smaller A pillars (seriously it can hide stoplights and stop signs, and give an option to turn off the fake engine sound (dealer here charges $500 with a OBD tool for it good grief) along with more engine choices (v8 and a diesel please). I loved the interior on the TRD Pro and I wish the Capstone had more than white leather because in a truck that will get destroyed. Its not a bad truck, its just I wish Toyota did more.

Give my regards to the dealers, they wanted 20-25k over sticker for a Tundra TRD Pro and I can only imagine what they will do with these once they land stateside.

Ironically I would take the Colorado Bison with the baby duramax over this new Tacoma and I used to be a huge Toyota fanboy. This really is the turning for point for Toyota where they are doubling down on the fanboys and ignoring the normal customers who will go to GM and Ford. You played yourself Toyota.

It was much worse than that, it can legit grenade the engine and to replace the turbos is a cab-off job. Our local Toyota dealer is full of Tundras no one wants for this reason and Ford and GMC made serious head way this year for pickups over Toyota.

Not surprised at all, going buttonless was such a stupid idea.

The funny part was at the time I was looking for an offroader/overlander vehicle that could tow and people kept telling my to look at the GX. After driving the GX I went right to a Toyota dealer in another state and got a 4Runner TRD Pro, it felt like a race car compared to the GX lol.

I also wish the Cayenne had a better interior and rode nicer on bad roads. I seriously contemplated getting a Cayenne S but with all our potholes and the Audi-esque interior, I went right to the X7. I really wish Porsche put more flair into the Cayenne’s interior and made it ride better.

I have driven a 2021 GX460 and man that thing scared me, you are not kidding about the body roll. It feels like it will tip over taking a turn at 20mph and even going near the brakes will make it nose dive so much so you can see it from the interior and feel it in your stomach. I am shocked Toyota/Lexus did not do anything to fix that for years.

Nice review OP and I liked you did this in a place full of where people just blindly hate trucks and act like children when someone mentions them. These kind of posts give this place some much needed balance.

I have driven all the top trims of the big three brands and I agree with you, the F150 is technically the “best” of all the half tons, but how they do options now is almost like my BMW in terms of excess and they make you pay through the nose to get things you actually want. The F150 seats are a benchmark and all other brands should have them.

I drove the 2023 F150 Limited when I was in a search for my vehicle to tow and I learned quickly that despite its car-like ride, the XLT/Platinum were the best trims you could get and you dont really need more. The bed flex however and its ride quality put me off, it rode way too much like a typical economy vehicle to justify its price tag, not to mention the Powerboost felt too slow to me and I wanted a diesel.

The Ram trucks ride like luxury SUVs and have incredible interiors, but I feared being in the shop too much and frankly the dealer by me was an asshole so I gave up on them. The GM trucks (GMC and Silverado) may have an older chassis (T1XX), but they do highways nicer, the Sierra high trims ride almost exactly like the Yukon and Escalade I drove. Plus I got Supercruise which makes long trips towing a breeze and I get the Duramax which can get up to 30mpg in such a big truck.

For better or worse when it comes to pickups, I think they design them on purpose to not eat into each other’s markets and for people like me that just needed a truck and have zero brand loyalty, buying one was a very very hard call and just like you, I despise how Ford plays games with options, solid review.

As someone who owns two cars in the both most commonly complained about colors on this contentious subreddit (GMC Tri-Coat White and BMW Dravit Grey), I really dont care what people think at this point. Cars are tools and those two colors hide dirt, bugs, and rock chips better than all the crazy colors.

I have even had an enthusiast criticize me for picking the two most “boring colors” to my face while the guy has a BRZ in some revolting wrap thats coming off and his Pallisade is grey too. I just said “whatever dude” and disregarded his opinion. Calling someone an NPC because the color of the car you think is too basic is a problem with them, not you.