It’s largely because people don’t want sedans as much anymore, so companies aren’t prioritizing them.
Also bear in mind that the Model 3 LR is $46,000, more expensive than the longer ranged Ioniq 6. Tesla advertises prices after both potential tax credit and potential gas savings.
Strangely, the Model 3 is Tesla’s most reliable vehicle and one of the most reliable US market EVs in general according to Consumer Reports. Does Germany not sell the other Tesla models?
I’ll point out the Model 3 LR is AWD, while the cheaper base I6 is not - once you add AWD to it they’re the same price, but the Ionia requires the lease loophole for incentives and may not work in every state sanely (double taxed). After that it’s not hard to quickly add options to the 6 for better equipment that makes it even more.
In my current shopping I have the 6 noted as about 10k more than the model 3.
That’s a USA political and policy issue, not a manufacturer affordability issue. Ioniq 6, Polestar 2,BMW i4 and Model 3 are about the same price in countries with less protectionist trade policies.
Maybe so. But I live in the world I live in, not the one I’d wish to live in.
Here the Model 3 is about 10-15k cheaper than the Koreans, and 20k cheaper than the I4 (which generally doesn’t qualify for any incentives). Haven’t looked much at the polestar - various reasons there.
I don’t disagree with you in your situation. However, the title of the original post is a general statement, not specific to the USA. This sub, as do many others on Reddit, seems to ignore the world outside the USA.
Because it’s primarily a US website, and the majority of posters are still based in the United States.
Most car questions are region specific; someone asking “why aren’t there more affordable options except the Model 3” is almost certainly American focused as the question is invalid anywhere else - the context tells us that. If they were in Europe the answer is “there are a ton priced the same” and from my understanding, in China it’s one of the more expensive ones. Given those are the primarily the places asking questions like this, logic says…
In other words - the OP is invalid most other places where BYD and some of the other oddball brands sell, so by basic deduction we can safely assume American. If we try to assume global answers for everything, without using deduction, we wouldn’t be able to answer questions much at all - they’d all be “it depends”.
In my EU country AWD versions of the polestar, ioniq and bmw start at 10 000, 13 000 and 20 000 euros more than model 3 LR. So you could say tesla is competing on price
Linking to a troll site to back up your claim is classic. The article you linked to is about Tesla not having maintenance done before going to inspections so 14% of them fail which has nothing to do with reliability.
Ah yes, an article citing a well-renowned German regulatory body, a classic troll.
The article mentions nothing of the sort, and given that these are inspections of everyone’s cars, you’re saying that simply all Model 3 owners refuse to have their car serviced? And that 15% of them have failing brakes or suspension after only 2-3 years regardless?
I believe it’s that Tesla does nothing special for maintenance related to those inspections, whereas other carmakers offer periodic checkups timed to come just before the inspections so that their stats will look better than reality.
The other issue is that regen being set up for “1-pedal driving” means the brakes often get underused, and so rust etc can build up on the pads.
Tesla does not do any inspections prior to the regulatory check. ALL other manufacturers do. Teslas failed primarily due to brake issues, and, in most cases, other manufacturer dealerships fix these issues so that they don’t flag on the regulatory inspection.
Those numbers are artificially inflated, and the fixes for Teslas are the same as all other manufacturers. The work is just done after the regulatory fail, as opposed to before, thereby making those numbers nonsensical to the point you’re trying to make.
Brushing aside the fact that the Model 3 is so cheap because:
Tesla genuinely nailed their manufacturing efficiency down
Model 3 is statistically the the worst built mass production car on the roads, by a large margin
It’s largely because people don’t want sedans as much anymore, so companies aren’t prioritizing them.
Also bear in mind that the Model 3 LR is $46,000, more expensive than the longer ranged Ioniq 6. Tesla advertises prices after both potential tax credit and potential gas savings.
Strangely, the Model 3 is Tesla’s most reliable vehicle and one of the most reliable US market EVs in general according to Consumer Reports. Does Germany not sell the other Tesla models?
I’m surprised you haven’t been blasted for posting that link here
I’ll point out the Model 3 LR is AWD, while the cheaper base I6 is not - once you add AWD to it they’re the same price, but the Ionia requires the lease loophole for incentives and may not work in every state sanely (double taxed). After that it’s not hard to quickly add options to the 6 for better equipment that makes it even more.
In my current shopping I have the 6 noted as about 10k more than the model 3.
That’s a USA political and policy issue, not a manufacturer affordability issue. Ioniq 6, Polestar 2,BMW i4 and Model 3 are about the same price in countries with less protectionist trade policies.
Maybe so. But I live in the world I live in, not the one I’d wish to live in.
Here the Model 3 is about 10-15k cheaper than the Koreans, and 20k cheaper than the I4 (which generally doesn’t qualify for any incentives). Haven’t looked much at the polestar - various reasons there.
I don’t disagree with you in your situation. However, the title of the original post is a general statement, not specific to the USA. This sub, as do many others on Reddit, seems to ignore the world outside the USA.
Because it’s primarily a US website, and the majority of posters are still based in the United States.
Most car questions are region specific; someone asking “why aren’t there more affordable options except the Model 3” is almost certainly American focused as the question is invalid anywhere else - the context tells us that. If they were in Europe the answer is “there are a ton priced the same” and from my understanding, in China it’s one of the more expensive ones. Given those are the primarily the places asking questions like this, logic says…
In other words - the OP is invalid most other places where BYD and some of the other oddball brands sell, so by basic deduction we can safely assume American. If we try to assume global answers for everything, without using deduction, we wouldn’t be able to answer questions much at all - they’d all be “it depends”.
In my EU country AWD versions of the polestar, ioniq and bmw start at 10 000, 13 000 and 20 000 euros more than model 3 LR. So you could say tesla is competing on price
Linking to a troll site to back up your claim is classic. The article you linked to is about Tesla not having maintenance done before going to inspections so 14% of them fail which has nothing to do with reliability.
Ah yes, an article citing a well-renowned German regulatory body, a classic troll.
The article mentions nothing of the sort, and given that these are inspections of everyone’s cars, you’re saying that simply all Model 3 owners refuse to have their car serviced? And that 15% of them have failing brakes or suspension after only 2-3 years regardless?
I believe it’s that Tesla does nothing special for maintenance related to those inspections, whereas other carmakers offer periodic checkups timed to come just before the inspections so that their stats will look better than reality.
The other issue is that regen being set up for “1-pedal driving” means the brakes often get underused, and so rust etc can build up on the pads.
Tesla does not do any inspections prior to the regulatory check. ALL other manufacturers do. Teslas failed primarily due to brake issues, and, in most cases, other manufacturer dealerships fix these issues so that they don’t flag on the regulatory inspection.
Those numbers are artificially inflated, and the fixes for Teslas are the same as all other manufacturers. The work is just done after the regulatory fail, as opposed to before, thereby making those numbers nonsensical to the point you’re trying to make.