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‘I believed things he told me that I now understand to be … lies,’ Dave Hancock says in new Rittenhouse documentary
A former spokesperson for Kyle Rittenhouse says he became disillusioned with his ex-client after learning that he had sent text messages pledging to “fucking murder” shoplifters outside a Chicago pharmacy before later shooting two people to death during racial justice protests in Wisconsin in 2020.
Dave Hancock made that remark about Rittenhouse – for whom he also worked as a security guard – on a Law & Crime documentary that premiered on Friday. The show explored the unsuccessful criminal prosecution of Rittenhouse, who killed Joseph Rosenbaum and Anthony Huber in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
As Hancock told it on The Trials of Kyle Rittenhouse, the 90-minute film’s main subject had “a history of things he was doing prior to [the double slaying], specifically patrolling the street for months with guns and borrowing people’s security uniforms, doing whatever he could to try to get into some kind of a fight”.
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Remember the video of him getting into a fight with some teenage girl just a few days before he killed those people? The video they wouldn’t let the jury see because it might show that Rittenhouse was an escalation-seeking rage-aholic? The video that his spokesperson has definitely seen?
Yeah, he was never disillusioned. He knew who this bastard was all along. He just stopped making money off the kid, is all.
He is saying it now because that “turns” the documentary from “supporters” into a documentary from “critics”. That helps sales. And now the news coverage is pulling attention to it again and of course, that is good for the sales/views.
So I disagree about the stopping to make money with him part, he is milking the other side now.
Wait you mean when he grabbed a rifle and traveled an inordinate distance to the scene of a riot and shot two people to death, he wasn’t just an innocent bystander after all?
Slight correction, he only drove about 30 minutes. Wikipedia says he left Antioch IL which is 5 miles south of the state border to go murder protesters.
Only way he really went out of his way is if he road the Metra commuter train from Antioch to Kenosha since each are the terminus of different Metra routes, and this was probably outside of normal Metra operating hours. Plus he doesn’t strike me as someone who would take a 5 hour train ride to travel 20 miles
Note: I just picked the Metra stations in both Antioch and Kenosha for the below map. I don’t care enough to bother getting more accurate than that
The real point here is that he was not in danger until he sought it out. He didn’t suddenly find himself a bystander in a dangerous situation, he went out of his way to place himself there. He actively sought this situation out, placed himself in harm’s way, put in active effort to get himself involved. He then acted like he was just defending himself when he found the exact situation he’d been actively seeking, just so that he had a convenient excuse to shoot some black people.
Cool. Doesn’t matter.
They need to try him again in court.
Wait, you mean the guy everyone was saying went to Kenosha to murder people, actually went to Kenosha to murder people?!?!?! Color me shocked.
Only idiots and the mentally deficient bought his official story.
He deliberately sought out an altercation and he deliberately brought his gun.
They should have waited to prosecute. He would have lost today.
That seems like it would violate the sixth amendment. Besides, we knew all of this back then.
I know of some individuals who have been sitting in jail, waiting for a trial, for longer than the maximum sentence they could have been given. If you are poor and/or live in a shitty area, your ‘rights’ don’t always mean all that much.
No, you have a right to a speedy trial. You don’t have the right to be charged with a crime in a speedy way while evidence is gathered against you.
Sometimes we should wait for them to incriminate themselves.
Yes you fucking do.
You cannot be arrested without charge and detained indefinitely. Generally it’s between 24 and 72 hours before they’re required to charge you or release you.
Incorrect and irrelevant to my comment, having nothing to do with arrest.
Imagine being such a bootlicker that you want to kill people for property crime, even when that property isn’t yours. What a loser.
He just wanted to kill people. That they were black made it more attractive, and the property crime was a convenient excuse.
Oh imagine that everybody with a brain was right all along and some f****** lunatic murderer got off again great job America
Let’s not forget how the judge in that case dismissed video evidence of him saying he wanted to shoot people. If that didn’t change this assholes mind-
Jesus, how was Rittenhouse murdering those guys only four years ago? It feels like it was at least ten.
We’re all aging like US presidents now
Fascism does that to you
The last 8 years have gone by in what feels like months.
I’ll just cry like a little bitch in court again. It worked last time!
My only weakness was not being cynical enough.
I always knew he was a piece of shit because of how white he is and how much support fox gave him. – cynical man
What do you mean by “how white he is”? Why do we keep injecting race into everything.
Imagine someone commented about “how black he is”
Why would someone comment about how black he is? He’s white
Obviously, I’m talking about if he was black.
you take it out of context. white as in “pumpkin spice latte”.
that psychopath was the definition of “angry racist white dude with a gun”.
on top of it all, the crime was racially motivated because he showed up to a BLM protest with an assault gun.
if he had been there to support the protest, he would have come unarmed. but he didn’t, did he? he went there to murder innocent civilians.
In another text, Rittenhouse sent: “I wish they would come into my house,” adding, “I will fucking murder them.”
in summary, he is a white racist irredeemable piece of shit that deserves life in prison where he can be a nice prison wife, because even the Nazis in prison would make him their weak ass bitch.
People of all races love pumpkin spice lattes, what are you talking about? It’s not a white person only thing
don’t act ignorant you insufferable twit. I’ve seen your post history.
fuck off and troll somewhere else.
Stfu he murdered bc he’s a racist and you’re whining about feeling triggered by true words on the internet?
Little pudding faced cunt.
Is puberty ever gonna hit that man?
Child.
I hope he dies a bloody death
I wish an even more tragic fate. I hope he gets to live in a world filled with tolerance and empathy while he wallows away in hate and fear.
I wish him a life of obscurity, poverty, and extreme loneliness. May he achieve nothing and be just smart enough to realize what a waste his entire existence has been.
Well shit, that happened to me without shooting anybody
I wish for you to find a fun thing, be it playing guitar, drawing silly comics, or making obscure art. You need not create for anyone but yourself.
I’d rather find a large pot of gold but not bad advice. I should pick up the guitar again. Everyone thanked me for not creating music for them so it will be for myself.
I do the same with my guitar. Have a bunch of little songs and riffs, save them all on my PC. No one will ever hear them or hear me play guitar, just do it as a creative outlet for myself.
Played probably 90 minutes last night with my headphones on, was a great decompression.
I also have a bunch of little riffs saved somewhere. Hours of terrible tape from when i was younger too. I have tendency to criticize myself more harshly than I should but the criticism is somewhat accurate so I’m torn. I just can’t not play sloppy. Decent ideas in my head but it’s nearly impossible for me to execute.
Anyway, it was still fun and it’d be nice to try playing again.
No, he’s a hazard to others and belongs in a cage.
Okay but can he at least wallow with broken legs?
I hope he gets the George Zimmerman treatment, broke, wasting his time with frivolous lawsuits, and mostly forgotten
As long as it’s slow and painful, bloodless would be OK too.
I hope his kids treat him like he treats the world.
Gow dare you talk like this about a future congress man/president.
He would have, if he didn’t have his rifle on him.
Doubt. No way he would be out there without his rifle. The man’s a coward, he can’t even face the consequences of his actions.
He said on camera that he wanted to kill shoplifters when he saw some shoplifters leave with a new cheap items. This was not admitted as evidence during his trial.
Congratulations, US legal system! You have encouraged a murderous vigilante!
“Good guys with guns” as a slogan was always going to turn out this way.
That’s one of the many reasons Americans are such stupid people, they see the world in a “good guy / bad guy” dichotomy, where they are the good guys. And “good guys” and their actions are all based on beliefs and opinions. It’s justification for YOUR atrocities while acting disgusted at others.
I agree with you 100%. So many of my fellow Americans (of every political stripe) see the world in that black and white way. There’s no nuance to be had here most of the time and it’s depressing.
There is nuance to be had, it’s just been overwritten by the mainstream media trying to pretend that they’re centrist.
You might be shocked to learn that not all Americans are the same. Bigot.
If I wasn’t describing you, you wouldn’t be so offended.
I would still find it inappropriate, actually.
I bet you do. How inappropriate are school shootings, Mr. Gun Advocate?
Best not think about that, huh
I am not a gun advocate or a mister.
You’re really not doing a good job at countering their claim…
By pointing out that hating on everybody from a single country is bigotry?
Obviously your opinion is more common, but I disagree.
What is my opinion? Please state it. Because I didn’t give it.
I missed that you were replying to a comment I made to OP, but you are not OP. So I have no idea.
Edit: Oh wait, nevermind. You did share your opinion and it is in line with OP’s.
There’s no nuance to be had here most of the time and it’s depressing.
There is nuance to be had because not everybody is the same.
I understand that there are tons of problems in the US, but hating on an entire culture/people is bigotry no matter who it is aimed towards.
Sigh. That is not my opinion about any country, that’s my opinion about our species.
“There is no nuance to be had here” means that people don’t notice the nuance because they have their own personal agendas. That’s not an American problem, that’s a global problem.
And good job proving that by deciding you know what my opinion on a subject I never opined on is and deciding that something unrelated was my opinion because of your agenda.
So thanks.
For a gun to be effective against an attacker, that attacker needs to be about 25 feet away or farther when you decide to shoot them. Closer than that, it’s a melee before you get an accurate shot off.
This means that you need to escalate a situation to gunplay way before you’re in actual physical danger, in most cases.
Unless you’re walking along brandishing your weapon, in order to be ready for a possible threat. This in itself escalates any situation you’re in to “one with a gun in it,” whether you’re ever in any danger or not.
Small arms are offensive weapons. They cannot be used for defense without making otherwise safe conditions unsafe, or by escalating a possibly threatening situation into a definitely dangerous one.
Generally yes, unless you’re already in a defensive position and anticipating an attacker. But I’m pretty sure driving a half hour into the next state doesn’t count as a defensive position.
Good take until the end.
Care to elaborate?
Small arms are not inherently offensive or defensive weapons. In fact a pistol is more defensive than offensive in many circumstances. The only true offensive weapons are those that cannot be used defensively, ones that cannot discriminate against targets, for example, a grenade.
I’m still going to stand by my previous comment.
My point was that for small arms to be used as an effective protection against threat, they must be used before the threat is imminent, i.e., in a “first strike” offensive capacity.
While it’s possible that an open carried firearm might have a deterrent effect, its presence makes every situation into “one with a gun in it,” which is necessarily less safe than one without a gun in it.
By your second point, the situation only becomes less safe for one person, the one without a gun. Having a firearm makes you more safe against a threat without one, and no more or less safe from a threat with one.
Nope, it makes you less safe, too, especially if the threat is closer than 25 feet. They have the opportunity to wrest the gun from your control and use it against you.
If someone is attacking me, I would rather take the chance of getting my gun out and ending them than trying to wrestle with them and potentially losing. If someone is attempting to kill you, I would take the great equalizer any day.
