Using Steve Harvey for this is an interesting choice…
It’s just a meme
Not if you’re familiar with him
It’s an interesting choice because Steve is a right-wing nutjob himself.
I think that is the punchline, isn’t it?
The meme implies Harvey isn’t a right-winger.
Woosh
I mean, of all the things you could pull out about Steve Harvey, this is about the tamest.
This reads like a manager who’s stressing out about being too busy at work, and his therapist told him to write a letter and not hit send, and then he hit send.
Steve Harvey, a wealthy person who wants for nothing steps all over other people’s feelings? How unexpected.
Use this moment. Keep leading them on, and then when the moment is right say “that’s why I’m an anarchist”
And they hit back with, “I’m a sovereign citizen too!”
💀
“Anarcho-capitalist, right?”
“That depends, is capitalism still intrinsically hierarchical?”
legit question not for any argumentative reason but also when/if you respond I may also have a response that pushes back. No harm tho.
When it comes to being an anarchist what do you actually imagine the end game being? I also agree the powers that be are shit. But anarchy in my mind will lead to small collectives of people like feudal socialism or something.
Anarchists are rarely the “no government” people the media portrays them as. Generally it’s an understanding that hierarchy is inharently bad, though still sometimes required. From there it can go any number of directions.
I appreciate you want to understand. For a bit more research for yourself, I’m actually an anarcho-syndicalist. I’m also pretty unique even within that ideology, fwiw. What I imagine is a socialist library economy, in which the librarians are elected and the library is the primary method of distributing goods. The librarians are also responsible for managing and automating work and food production. I imagine a solarpunk society where communities are mostly self sustaining but also interdependent. I imagine a world that has no need for money.
I also imagine that unions represent both their communities and the workers within the community and that all managers within workplaces are elected. When the many various dealings happen between communities, I imagine something similar to haudenosaunee council meetings. Each community sends a proportional bargaining committee of their population, and the largest communities must reach consensus between and with each other before being decided on by and between consensus from the smaller communities. Tentative agreements must then be voted and ratified through simple majority by all communities to be considered participants in the contracts. I’m sure people will say “that’s too slow”. To that I say, you’ve never seen how quick a union can turn around an emergency meeting.
Come join us at slrpnk.net, you’ll find like-minded people there interested in prefiguring such systems.
Very interesting, thank you for the write-up! Out of curiosity, how does a moneyless society work?
Just I do you solids, you do me solids? How does a moneyless society allow trade if one party doesn’t have any goods the other party wants?
That’s what the library is for! Instead of buying things, you borrow from the community library. When you no longer need to use that thing, you return it to the library. If you need to own something, you get it from the library or you can make it/privately trade for it. As much labor as possible is automated, while the people performing labor do it out of passion and at their own pace, with the goods being manufactured for the library to distribute. Some of the automated manufacturing and 3d printed custom designs can be onsite and available to the public.
Interesting! It’s a cool concept for sure
There’s many different types of moneyless economies. Just gonna spitball a couple ancient ones at you.
In a gift economy, individuals will create things and share them amongst the the community. These gifts just keep being given over and over, and not reciprocating a gift eventually leads to poor standing.
In a community stockpile, everyone works together to collect what others need. A group essentially tracks the stockpiling and helps determine how the stockpile should be used, such as in times of low yield.
My understanding is that Marx believed that there’d eventually be a day when people would essentially do group-makes for whatever they needed or wanted. Basically no money or anything - one guy would go “I want this”, he and others would volunteer, they’d all work together to design a fabrication process, and then would all make as many of the thing as there were those who wanted it. A completely volunteer process.
Remove your hand from my shoulder before I remove it from your wrist.
“⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️” five star meme
—Peter Travers <Rolling Stone>
This happened in Germany in the early forties…
Not really. It was more that conservatives thought they could controll the far right and made appeasement their main doctrine.
The left (that was a lot more left than nowadays) was always against the Nazis.
Edit: and that was in the mid 30s.
I might be too ignorant to put this in the proper context, but what do you make of the so-called Beefsteak Nazis (i.e. leftists who joined the Nazis)? Not to say the Nazis were in any way authentically leftist, but they did use leftist rhetoric (see Strasserism) to get left-wing, working class support.
First time I hear that term, it is not used in German. Yeah, there was a minority wing in the NSDAP who had some socialists views. The NSDAP was not a monolithic group, unlike many might believe. They also had a lot of esoteric people. Edit: all of them were fascists though, not communists nor liberals.
But they are not the ones who brought Hitler to power. That was Paul von Hindenburg, Franz von Papen, a group of industrialists (Industrielleneingabe) and, of course, the people, that voted for him.
It is all pretty well documented.
Yeah, I wouldn’t imagine the communists and socialists brought Hitler to power, lol - though it sounds like I need to educate myself more. Do you have any primer you would recommend on this topic?
Imminently relatable… I’m a centrist libertarian, and I’m not a fan of Dems, but I like current Republicans considerably less…
centrist libertarian
So you’re like a fish that can breathe in space?
Kinda feels that way :)
I can imagine… because neither the made-in-fong-kong, look-at-it-sideways-and-it-breaks bullcrap right-wingers in the US calls “libertarianism” nor the authentic and original socialist conception of the term leaves any room for anything that can be called “centrist.”
The Overton Window fucks all meaningful discourse on an axial basis
I’m purely about individual liberties for all individuals.
That makes me absolutely centrist, and in defiance of the societal definitions of the word “libertarian”, I’m using it in that specific context.
If you’ve got a better term, lay it on me :)
How do you define liberty?
Anarcho-Communist, if your goal is individual liberty for all individuals above all else.
Move left and get with the libertarian socialists, you can still shit on both and enjoy an internally consistent form of libertarianism. Win win!
So American “centrist”, but not actual centrist. Which means you’re the guy in the meme on the right
Pretty sure the implication is hand guy is a die hard Republican.
Ehhhhh I does just say right wing. So still fits.
And since libertarians are just republicans wearing silly hats…
Look man, I’ll defend your right to say that stupid ass shit and make stupid ass assumptions about me, and I’ll defend it with my life, but you’re getting the Steve Harvey look right now…
Except it’s probably true. In the US centrist is usually used as a way go say between the two parties. In reality it’s used to say between capitalism and basically everything else. So groups like the democrats are on the right. The are what’s generally referred to as “right of center.” They are not in the center of the right, but just a little past centrist. And to he exact, they would be authoritarian right of center on the political compass.
The Republicans are further right and further into the authoritarian square.
So for you to be lib center, you would need to be to the left and further south from the democrats
Which means the dems are between you and the Republicans
But yet even though you’re closer to dems politically, you prefer the ones that are so far removed from you that you likely have little to nothing in common
Vs the dems who are closer to you politically
Feel free to make it make sense, but the majority of the time I see other Americans talk about being center or libertarian, they really mean right wing authoritarians who just want no taxes and sometimes legal weed
Edit: Also, “I’m giving you the look you’re giving me” is just “No u”. But k
Same boat. Worst is the Tea Party people thinking I am one of them because I am “libertarian”.
You’re so close to self-awareness with this one
Nah, it’s fine to hate how ineffective and tepid the dems are as right wingers. Republicans may be fascists, but dems are also bad.
No u
Gottom!
It’s nice to be appreciated ☺️
For some reason, a lot of fascists appreciate it when leftists help further their goals
How dare I criticize the God Emperor Brandon indeed.
In the 2024 election, who are you planning on voting for?
crickets chirping
Biden. Y’all just being dumb.
Cool. My comments went for you then.
being dumb
You replied to some else with “no u”…
Pot, meet kettle.
