Gonna have to agree to disagree here, the overt pacifism and lack of even a unionization message ultimately means it delays revolutionary messaging.

You adjust ajitprop based on audience, and want to serve as a slide without preventing further movement. If you give a leftist message that takes an anti-revolutionary stance, that makes further pipelining more difficult.

On “lefty memes,” the people are largely liberals and progressives that can be converted into actual leftists with proper messaging, I wouldn’t worry about appealing to libertarian conservatives here.

I agree with pipelining, but messages can’t conflict or leave out the further conclusions. I do a lot of pipelining on Lemmy myself.

I don’t upvote my own comments, for starters. I have a Hexbear account I use for Lemmygrad.ml and Hexbear.net content, and Lemmy.ml for everything else.

Secondly, I don’t understand your own point. You’re trying to say the top 1% in the US aren’t bourgeoisie because they own stock, not the Means of Production “directly” like in a factory of Marx’s era, but that’s not a determining factor for Marx’s bourgeoisie. You are trying to make it so.

It’s absolutely true of the US. Stock owners are also bourgeoisie.

The bourgeoisie are not the middle class, but the wealthiest 1%. The Petite Bourgeoisie are the middle class. The Bourgeoisie used to be the middle class until they collaborated with the proletariat and petite bourgeoisie to overthrow the aristocracy.

“I have, which will surprise you not a little, been speculating — partly in American funds, but more especially in English stocks, which are springing up like mushrooms this year (in furtherance of every imaginable and unimaginable joint stock enterprise), are forced up to quite an unreasonable level and then, for the most part, collapse. In this way, I have made over £400 and, now that the complexity of the political situation affords greater scope, I shall begin all over again. It’s a type of operation that makes demands on one’s time, and it’s worth while running some risk in order to relieve the enemy of his money.”

-Karl Marx, 1864.

This isn’t about the RTS, but about stock ownership.

Even in Marx’s time, there was stock speculation, he even won money on the stock market on occasion. The Bourgeoisie are owners of Capital, this includes large financial and stock Capital as well. The subsection of the bourgeoisie that faces proletarianization is the Petite Bourgeoisie.

You’d do well to read Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism.

The problem is that revolution is necessary, and simply hoping things get better isn’t acceptable. Agitprop needs a practical message as well.

You’re using class terminology in a way that doesn’t conform to any leftist current and this deliberately confuses the conversation. Furthermore, the bourgeoisie are the class that owns Blackrock, Vanguard, etc. You are using Petite Bourgeoisie to refer to Bourgeoisie.

If anyone wants to get higher Marx in class, I made an introductory Marxist reading list 🤓

I really don’t think you’re fine if you’re flying off the handle on random internet users accusing them of being paid by the CPC just for being Marxists. I think you should probably take a step back from the keyboard for a while.

It’s funny that you preface your civility on me immediately licking your boot before we can discuss anything. Any such conversation would be worthless to begin with if you can’t come at it on polite terms from the start.

Furthermore, this conversation was never about China to begin with, the idea that I was going to pivot to exalting China is just conspiracy theory material.

I really don’t know what’s prompting you to go ballistic like this, you might want to log off for a bit.

What’s wrong with Marxism?

Not at all. By wiping away the piles of slander and lies proudly, Socialists can better connect with historical socialists and communists.

Always has been 😎

Why?

Why rebrand what already exists? What way would be more “efficient?”

The Red Scare never ended, it’s important to directly combat anti-socialist sentiment because you are going to be labeled a Communist even if you call yourself a mild progressive.

The Party for Socialism and Liberation exists.