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Throttle House reviews the 4th generation Toyota Tacoma.
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“Mid-size”
2024 Tacoma length: 212”
1995 Tacoma length: 174.8”
If I needed a truck, I couldn’t imagine getting anything else. Even though I typically didn’t like Tacomas because of the 3.5 and C-channel frame, it didn’t compare to the 4Runners and GX with fully boxed frames.
My friends with Rams, Silverados, and F150 all had issues, the 2019 F150 has never towed and the transmission is going out. I got a new Frontier as a rental and it drove horribly, small inside, big outside, and already had electrical issues.
I feel like the Tacoma would be the only choice where I can feel it can go 300k miles with the original drivetrain. Just excluding the Tundra because it costs even more than the Tacoma.
It’s fully boxed now
Finally, that was my biggest wtf with is
C channel frame is a very good thing. The box frame trucks were very rust prone.
If you want a truck that’s reliable long term, you want a frame you can wash out and doesn’t fill up with crud
I’ve seen nothing that suggests the Toyota’s with C channel frames have less rust issues than boxed frame competitors. And particularly the Tacoma 2nd and 3rd Gen have section where the front frame is riveted over the rear that is notorious for rust.
Also the C channel makes it easy to bolt on proper rock sliders so I approve of that.
Lots of advantages, and I’d wager that nobody can tell the difference from the drivers seat.
The same strength and torsional stiffness as a box can be achieved, it just won’t be quite as light. Again, more thickness is good from a rust perspective.
That’s kind of a weird comparison. The Tundra costs more than the Tacoma because it’s a full-size truck vs. a mid-size. The F150, Silverado, and Ram also cost more than the Tacoma (similarly equipped).
Yes I know. But the Tacoma and domestics are kinda attainable for me new, the Tundra is substantially more expensive than both, less discounts than the domestic half tons.
Maybe you got some duds but trucks in general are reliable across the board , there is a reason why the highest mileage vehicles on road are mostly trucks
Yes tacomas are extra reliable but the F150 ain’t bad
I went from a '17 Tacoma to a '22 Frontier. I absolutely hated the Taco. Uncomfortable, terrible engine power, a clueless transmission which was always gear hunting. Averaged 17mpg. Just awful to drive every day.
The Frontier is more comfortable, more powerful, better fuel economy, better trans programming and additional gearing. Same size as the Taco. 34K miles without issue. We’ll see if it lasts 250K, but I couldn’t stand the Taco. I parked it unlocked on the street hoping someone would steal it. No luck.
What kind of mileage are you getting from the Frontier? Looks like folks on Fuelly are getting around 18.
Same exact move I made and I agree on everything you said. The Taco really rides on reputation but it’s actually pretty crap. Not that that will matter to the fanboys but fanboys gonna’ fanboy.
I bought a super duty instead of a Tacoma because it’s more fuel efficient.
I mean there are a thousand other reasons but that’s one of them.
I got a new Frontier as a rental and it drove horribly, small inside, big outside, and already had electrical issues.
I traded my 2022 Tacoma for a 2023 Frontier. I got a mid trim Frontier so I haven’t had any electrical issues yet…
I honestly couldn’t stand the Tacoma transmission programing. The Frontier’s transmission might take a min to downshift when floored and hunts in slow traffic but, at least it will shift when you want it to. It feels like it has more low end torque. It’s smaller in every dimension than a Tacoma which I prefer for offroading.
The only complaint I have so far is that the frame of the Frontier sits lower than the Tacoma. The Tacoma had a low crossmember but, the whole frame sits low in the Frontier. It’s only about 1.5" difference stock to stock but, I have rubbed the frame in the Frontier and I never did that in the Tacoma.
The fact that a Tacoma of all trucks is making stu-tu-tu noises stock is absolutely nuts. I love it.
stu-tu-tu-tacoma!
Emphasis on mid.
Don’t look into the camera while you’re driving.
/u/throttlehouseTH The F-150 is news to me, what happened to the Ram?
All shall be updated in an upcoming ETH video!
RAM wasn’t big and stupid enough, obviously. /S
Tacoma was originally a small pick up. It increased in size over time to accomodate customer preference. My dad’s old Taco’s, even before they carried that name, were a bench seat, but a sizeable truck bed.
Now, almost impossible to find a normal 2 seat cab one, with a standard size bed.
I get it. People don’t buy pickups exclusively for the utility. They want to “sit up high”. Maybe their attitudes about pick ups need to change. If size and sitting up high is that important, then buy a full size. Meanwhile, there are a lot of us who would still value a smallish pickup size, for the actual use that a larger truck bed can provide.
I parked my truck (x-tra cab with 6’ bed) beside a current-gen Tacoma (quad cab with 5’ bed) and mine was still longer. So length-wise, at least, the Tacoma isn’t any bigger.
Iirc, the Toyota dealership told me only 15% of Tacomas come with a 6’ bed. They had one 2wd long bed on the way, and couldn’t tell me when they would see another (much less one spec’d as I wanted).
But that is better than Ford/Chevy, who don’t even offer a 6’ bed on the Ranger/Colorado anymore.
Toyota should put that sweet 2.4L 4 banger turbo in a camry, give it a manual transmission and call it GR
Put it in the GR 86
Toyota does have a transverse version of it that could fit.
But why? It’ll take a lot of development given the car doesn’t come with that engine or any manual, and in the end it’s still the Camry platform. It’ll be torque steer city.
I miss the $12,000 single cab, 2WD, stick shift, 4-cylinder.
I like how when it comes to pickups suddenly everyone’s a utilitarian purist. Wild.
And when companies do produce decontented vehicles, people wince at the price because options are typically the “cheap” part of the car and then don’t buy them.
The lesson is that most internet commenters are lying/cheapskates and you should produce what the market continually tells you to produce.
Face it, the 1980s are gone forever.
same 😔
Sounds like a piece of shitbox
Looks good to me, it definitely has more power than my 1st gen. Unless you’re towing or doing some major off roading half these people complaining are probably just driving it around town or “overlanding” hauling around a tent on the back of their truck bed.
I have an older Tacoma. I throw shit in the bed and once or twice a year I drive on BLM land or fire roads - something most crossovers can comfortably do.
People complaining that it’s not a super duty or a baja truck are delusional. They’re never going to actually use it like that.
Trying to figure out the wheel arch design, are they going for lipped and pumped guards? The styling in these areas looks confused…
Tacoma subreddit going through the Kubler-Ross change grief model in real time
Lmaoo
These videos make me miss Angeles National Forest
In laymen’s terms, your screwed
I hope history proves me wrong about an overstressed turbocharged 4 cylinder pushing that much truck around.
As I’ve learned about engines by being involved with rebuilding hundreds of them, I’ve learned that most people have very little understanding of what kills them.
Without seeing inside this engine, statements like this are just… ignorant.
Perhaps you can offer some insight?
I doubt it’s overstressed, this is a 2.4 liter instead of a 2 liter
Well, time will certainly tell. That’s why I said I hope I was wrong.
Is it over stressed? It’s making 278hp from a 2.4L engine.
Mercedes is pushing 416 from less displacement with a 2.0L engine.
That’s why the 4.0 V6 was the superior truck engine. Made its torque lower in the powerband. Lots of these engines make it to 300k easily.
Not sure why I’m being downvoted for saying that I hope I’m wrong about this turbo 4. 😂
its literally peak torque at 3k more rpm lmao
Compared to the 3.5, not the 2.4 turbo.
To be fair, Mercedes is hardly the cornerstone of reliability. But yeah, I’d say you’re right on the money.