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I don’t feel too strongly about this either way. But I can’t help but imagine the confused looks of all the reddit armchair lawyers I’ve seen speaking very confidently in favour of the unions on this over the last day or two
A lengthy post on Twitter (I refuse to call it X, especially since it’s still twitter.com ffs), mentions
https://twitter.com/NicklasNilsso14/status/1727417222488846528
It is Tesla’s legal right not to enter into a collective agreement
Is that true? Can they sue other companies/agencies for not providing services, like those responsible for manning the shipping docks?
Yeah it’s their right, and it’s the right of the unions to strike and for other unions to join in solidarity.
It’s the free market, welcome to capitalism.
That’s the point though the postal workers are not striking they are denying service to a particular customer
The can file the suit but nothing will Come of it, since it’s not the companies taking action against tesla it’s the unions they have signed contracts with, if they have unionised workers
Sure but the company can still be found not hiring their contract and fined accordingly. If unions continously repeat this eventually the company would go bankrupt as no one would want to work with that company.
It’s true, that’s why it’s called an agreement.
The companies who operate the docks aren’t refusing to provide services, so it would’ve make sense chosing them. The two unions organising people who work at the ports have chosen not to unload Tesla cars, as a sympathy strike. Which is their right according to Swedish law.
You spent a quarter of your time typing complaining about X vs Twitter.
From what I understand there is no law saying they have to but there is a law allowing other unions to strike against them if they choose not to.
The question here is that this is a public service offered by government and I think courts are right in stating that Postnord (a government owned company) must find a way to fulfill its obligations or be fined which in practice is a fine to government and its people.
And everyone wanted to downvote me when I said exactly what would happen. Yes, it’s temporary but it will either be indefinitely temporary or they’ll make a permanent change so Tesla can get their plates.
This is no longer relevant. Postnord cant be forced to deliver the plates
That wasn’t the point of the lawsuit.
I mean, it was. Tesla is pissy about the swedish system. While everything done is legal.
No, they weren’t trying to force anyone from doing anything. They just wanted a way to get their plates.
Which is forcing postnord workers to deliver the plates…
Buddy, are they going to magic their plates somehow?
Well done
Yup, well down for supporting the billionaires over the working class, and supporting the erosion of worker rights across the world…
“billionaires” - like the 100k people well happy to work for Musk were forced to sign their contracts (like the Sweden did).
I am supporting the sustainable transportations of EVs, somehting that the extreme left seems not to care any longer about (better to use old polluting diesel cars because EVs are for the rich. now this is the narrative)
One way to look at this decision:
- Tesla gets its plates without having to sign a CBA.
The Swedish Transport Agency has seven days to comply and provide license plates to Tesla, or they will face a fine of 1 million kroner (C$128K/US$93K).
This should be theft.
How is it theft? They are being withheld by the government agency that’s issuing them.
The postal company the government agency has a contract with has a strike against tesla running.
This injunction looks like it’s forcing the government agency to break that contract. Rather than invalidating the strike.
No, they’re being withheld by the postal agency not the agency for vehicle registration. It’s plainly theft to take possession of an item and not provide it to the owner when requested.
Okay. It doesn’t change a lot of terms of the law as it’s a sympathy strike and they are within their rights to block a company.
There are plenty of examples of every from garbage disposal to mail being part of blockades.
Clearly not within their rights as the court has ordered them to deliver the plates while they figure out the resolution.
The decision is for the agency to make them available for pickup, not delivery. PostNord are still the only ones allowed to deliver the plates. The agency has said they are looking into how they can do this after the decision, but it will be interesting to see what happens when it gets to a higher court.
Then Tesla should be within their rights to find another agency to deliver the plates. But people in here are arguing that Tesla must abide by the same contract that is being ignored by the union.
That’s not theft.
It might be a contract violation but it isn’t theft.
Theft requires the taking of another persons property. Tesla don’t own the plates nor have they ever been in its possession.
It might be a contract violation but it isn’t theft.
Then Tesla should be able to ignore said contract and find a new agency to deliver the plates.
Pretty fair. At the end, these union guys are holding items that other people already paid for hostage indefinitely in order to get their way. And when Tesla asked if they can give them back so that Tesla can go out of their way to make the deliveries themselves, these union chaps said “no”. If a person does that its called theft and they get to pay a hefty fine or worse. Don’t see why these union guys are above and superior to the common man to the point they can steal items others paid for indefintely and get away with it while also preventing the rightfull owners of claiming said items.
Don’t tell that to the rabidly pro union. Apparently to them it’s somehow not seizing and they can do no wrong.
It’s more that they’re not allowed to just give it to Tesla. The transportation authority only gives it to postnord and postnord is not giving it to tesla customers or tesla. The injunction allows the transportation authority to give it tesla directly if they come and get it.
Typical boot licker mentality though seeing the Unions here as the bad guys, when 90% of Swedish workers all have a CBA which is what the tesla workers are asking for. It’s in the unions right to deny service. The real issue is whether or not a government can refuse, and in this case the current injunction says the Swedish Government cannot.
The transportation authority only gives it to postnord and postnord is not giving it to tesla customers or tesla. The injunction allows the transportation authority to give it tesla directly if they come and get it.
Incorrect. You are conflating the transportation authority with the plate manufacturer.
The plate manufacturer only gives it to Postnord, because the transport authority has told them so.
The injuction orders the transport authority to allow the plate manufacturer to give the plates to Tesla.
“Muh BoootTTSss”, you are wrong bro. And the Swedish court seems to agree that you are wrong. Again, you can’t just take goods people paid for away indefinitely and keep them hostage until everyone bends the knee and does what you want. That is theft. The problem here is that the union does not allow Tesla or the customers themselves to come over and take the plates, which are their property. Being in a labour union or Swedish does not magically give you the right to steal from others.
The Swedish court did exactly as I said in my comment lol
“And current injunction says the Swedish Government cannot”
Friendo you need to work on reading comprehension.
For real