This recall is serious but hardly means that Honda or any manufacturer that issues a recall is a bad brand. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2023/11/17/honda-recall-acura-pilot-ridgeline-odyssey/71617360007/
This recall is serious but hardly means that Honda or any manufacturer that issues a recall is a bad brand. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2023/11/17/honda-recall-acura-pilot-ridgeline-odyssey/71617360007/
Well it seems to depend who’s issuing it. If this was a GM or Stellantis recall I’d bet money people would be making fun of them and saying how garbage they are.
This sub has selective memory… the Japanese brands have had huge issues since the 2000s. Honda/Acura automatic transmissions in early 2000 models failing. Engine sludge buildup issues in Toyota engines. More recently lots of AC issues and failures with Honda cars. Oil dilution issues with the Honda L15 turbo engine. Etc.
These are quality issues, most recent ones are caused by cost cutting and cutting corners with parts and production to make more money per car sold. Paint quality in a Honda has been shit ever since they switched to water based.
The transmission issues were solved in 2007~ish
I’m not a big Toyota fanboy but I’m pretty sure engine sludge stopped 2008~ish because our 2008 Highlander maintenance brochure specifically tells you to get an oil change ASAP to avoid sludge buildup. I think that was the first year they used the 2GR-FE on the Highlander too which didn’t have the buildup issues.
AC failure? Doesn’t seem like I’ve been hearing many issues about that in Hondas.
The oil dilution issues were supposedly fixed in the newer 1.5Ts.
FUCK HONDA PAINT. It is damn near impossible to find a 90s Accord or Civic with paint that doesn’t look like shit and costs to repaint as much as the car does!
Also, more American cars had these issues than Japan did, hence why we barely mention them.
Toyos also had bad head gaskets in the 90s
Toyota 2az engines have problem with stripping head bolt, it was common issue in the Camry, and valve stem seals too
This. Since 2000, Honda has had serious brakes, engine, and transmission problems. So many people remember the 90s when they think of Honda.
Don’t forget their garbage paint.
My favorite thing is how they’re put on this pedestal but Chevy and ford get shit on because V8’s might need a recall on a Dis or a manifold. JDM is more like “the whole engine is set to fail at 60k miles unless you take apart the engine, and our Autos are made of glass” meanwhile we still have dragsters using old American tech to go as fast as possible.
There’s a reason a LS1 swap kit is available for every car/truck out there
Dragsters engines based on the design only. V8 with hemi heads. Theyve been improved over the decades
Agreed on the Hemi heads. Dragsters have their own ecosystem of acceptable mods and how far trimming can be done while stay reliable enough. I always wondered what kind of engines these 1500-2000hp dragsters were running. By that point it’s gotta be unique to the Dragster
While yes i agree that the japanese brands get put on a pedestal for misguided reasions, american small cars really are junk.
i’ll still take a civic over a focus or a cruze
To be fair, the sludge issues on Toyota’s part were with a single engine family— the Toyota MZ family, used in the Camry, Avalon, Highlander, Solara, Sienna and the Lexus RX and ES. That by no means is a small recall, but it’s one of few isolated incidents in their engine program. Everything else though? Search up “stuck throttle” on YouTube and you get Mark Saylor’s ES350 crash as one of the first results. And that’s not to mention the Takata Airbag recalls, but that encompassed a massive scope of makes and models.
I gotta say though we have a Honda with that CVT issue and it’s been the case of ‘well, no point replacing it now, we’ll just run the car until it dies and scrap it’ for 200k km’s lol. It shudders but it won’t die
A/C issues killed my civic for me, the dealer wanted $2500 CAD to fix it so I had to sell it instead and cut my losses. It’s a very common issue on the last Gen civic unfortunately.
Every old Honda I’ve ever owned the ac went out around 80-90 k. The one in my 8th gen si went at 112. I have a 2012 tsx and so far so good at 154k. I mean I’ve had 20 year old Silverado’s with over 200k with ice cold blasting ac.
As somebody that works in GM parts, a new recall is just another day on the job. Weekly I’ll have to sign off that I’ve read about a new/updated recall, and it’s usually a half dozen to a dozen different documents.
Lately it seems it hasn’t been much different for any other brand. All the new tech and increasingly complexity of vehicles means more parts = more recalls.
When the car spends more time at the dealer, trying to fix it, than your house
Correct. Whenever Toyota / Honda does a recall, people give them excuses like “well it’s good they’re fixing it now, they’re just taking ownership” and “they’re still great cars”. Meanwhile Stellantis does a recall for something mundane and all I hear is “lol FCA bad”.
FCA is bad tho…lol. The fact they released cars like the Dodge Avenger and Caliber under their badge to the masses.
I’ve been preaching the reduction of quality in Honda products and I get slammed by Honda fan boy every time I do. After 20 years of Accord ownership and the issues I had to deal with in 2021 I bought a car from a different brand new and so far so good. There are no warranty issues and no recalls. My car is a 2020 Ford Fusion S.
When someone buys a base model Fusion over a Honda, you know that shit’s going south at Honda.
Their turbo products simply aren’t the same as their NA engines were. The 1.5T is unfortunately a step backwards in the reliability space.
I wonder if any of those small turbo engines from any manufacturer are durable and reliable? I know the Ford 1.5 turbo likes to drink coolent and self destruct.
Surprisingly I haven’t heard much bad about the VW 1.4/1.5s. Knocking on wood for mine…
Or Hyundai, Kia, Nissan, Subaru, Mitsubishi, or any German brand (especially Mercedes)