This recall is serious but hardly means that Honda or any manufacturer that issues a recall is a bad brand. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2023/11/17/honda-recall-acura-pilot-ridgeline-odyssey/71617360007/
Takata screwed everyone with their airbags which were recalled. Only Takata to blame for that.
This is a low quality situation. I’m surprised it surmounted to a recall instead of a TSB.
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True, but that requires two hands and I’m lazy
Well it inspires less confidence in a brand if recalls are very common (Hyundai).
Depends on the recall, history, and reason for failure.
Hyundai having to do 3 different recall fixes for one leaking fuel line is an indication of poor planning and poor quality.
Toyota, who stocks these parts long before using them, weeds out any bad or recalled components as they’ve been sitting in a factory for years, and every other brand discovers theres an issue.
Ford, who has about 5 recalls per model, shows a serious lack of quality control, and planning.
In my opinion, recalls do often indicate low-quality engineering or manufacturing. Engineer it correctly. Manufacture it correctly. And assemble it correctly.
It’s the least they could do for how much vehicles cost.
If there is a recall, SOMETHING was certainly “low quality”. Even if that was due to the torque wrench and/or lock-tight that they used to put the nut on a pinion shaft.
Why would anyone compare this to other brand’s recalls for similar issues? Honda doesn’t appear to be fighting this or half assing it. Recall off the bat, relatively small number of affected engines, no hiding it, no whistleblowing, no you’re only eligible if you do this software update within this time period. Honda also won’t fight their customer base on this or their dealerships.
This post is a joke, nobody would be posting w/ this title if Mercedes had the recall.
You’re right, but I’m still going to poke fun at Toyota’s first EV where the wheels would literally fall off because it is too funny not to.
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Depend on if it was a forced recall or not. If the manufacturer does a voluntary recall I’d take that as standing by their product.
I remember Toyota doing this back when the accelerator recall. Only a handful of models were affected, and only I believe 2 people died. Instead of recalling just the affected models, they recalled several million, just to be sure. Meanwhile, Chevy had to be forced to recall a bunch of cars when the Chevy Cruze was having issues with the steering wheels falling off. Or when the rear axle of the Ford Windstar would spontaneously collapse, possibly resulting in a rollover.
I remember Toyota doing this back when the accelerator recall. Only a handful of models were affected, and only I believe 2 people died. Instead of recalling just the affected models, they recalled several million, just to be sure.
You have a very selective memory. Toyota absolutely claimed there was nothing wrong with their vehicles, and only issued a recall after being forced to by the feds. They had to be dragged kicking and screaming the entire way.
They also settled a lawsuit for over a billion dollars in 2014 to avoid prosecution for covering up the defect in the first place.
And to be clear, the two issues were:
- a design flaw in the accelerator pedal that allowed it to become entrapped by floor mats
- pedals manufactured by CTS that could “stick.” Toyota failed to notify NHTSA of this sticking defect for 4 months, which is what led to fines and the settlement.
Not just that but also extremely shoddy programming that meant a single random bit flip could cause the engine to be stuck at WOT:
https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~koopman/pubs/koopman14_toyota_ua_slides.pdf
NHTSA Campaign Number: 23V751000
Manufacturer Honda (American Honda Motor Co.)
Components ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING
Potential Number of Units Affected 248,999
Summary
Honda (American Honda Motor Co.) is recalling certain 2015-2020 Acura TLX, 2016-2020 Acura MDX, 2016 and 2018-2019 Pilot, 2017 and 2019 Ridgeline, and 2018-2019 Odyssey vehicles. Due to a manufacturing error, the connecting rod bearing in the engine may wear and seize, damaging the engine.
Remedy
Dealers will inspect and repair, or replace the engine as necessary, free of charge. Owner notification letters are expected to be mailed January 2, 2024. Owners may contact Honda customer service at 1-888-234-2138. Honda’s numbers for these recalls are XG1 and GG0.
Well there are a quarter of a million people who might be getting a visit from uncle Rodney it seems. I feel that even once the recall is finished, people would rather part ways
Uncle Rodney taking a break from Subaru to hang with Honda/Acura it seems.
Yeah, this definitely sounds like low quality, lol
I mean, it depends on who issued it and what the recall is addressing. Context is important. A recall for software isn’t necessarily concerning, but one for a design flaw in an essential component definitely is
What if it is the software in the (for example) new Chevy Colorado that controls your headlights (they are only controlled through the center screen)?
In my time as a factory trained Porsche Tech (1993 to 2003) we had lots of recalls on Porsche cars. Audi had them too.
The brand name really doesn’t have anything to do with recalls. All makes and models can have issues, some issues occur after some years of production. In some instances like the Takata airbag recall, it becomes a mutli product lines issue. In that case its a vendor issue.
While this is true, some parts are so simple and have been designed/updated with so much experience and feedback, the defect can only be because of Quality control or Bad design.
Like if shopping around get them the material that is so cheap it is not the same, if the parts weren’t treated or finished like designed, if the tolerances are the issue or some other problems you would think should not be an after decades of engineering in engines.
I would appreciate more infos on if manufacturers have something like design rules that would say any rod bearing for cranks of X diameter,x oil grade made to spin to x RPM and up to X operating temperature needs to have X fitment and X metal treatment to avoid this issue.
There’s a lot to engine design, and something as relatively simple as bearings requires advanced knowledge in tribology and fluid dynamics.
You can design for a certain oil with a certain dilution rate but if the oil standards change or the real-world dilution rate is different, you may have failures due to cavitation. You can design for a certain dynamic clearance but if someone else changes the rod bolt spec or something as “simple” as thread fit changes, you may have failures.
Then there are things like manufacturer errors in fatigue strength or embedability or conformability, things that can only be known with a strict quality control regimen.
Thanks for clearing this out.
I figured there would still be enough documentation through previous engine generations (J series V6 engines have been built and upgraded since 1996) to have the main issues and main limits figured out for their purpose (fuel efficient urban driving and urban/crossover levels of towing capacity). Basically it would be fully optimised by then and only be tweaked around knowing anything else pushes the failure rate.
In all, 248,999 vehicles are affected by the recall, the company announced.
The following models are being recalled:
2015-2020 Acura TLX
2016-2020 Acura MDX
2016 and 2018-2019 Honda Pilot
2017 and 2019 Honda Ridgeline
2018-2019 Honda Odyssey
these are y6 motors the 13==17 accord was y1 /2