Most people who try to describe their enemy “the left” have about as much brain matter as JFK
Can someone point me at one of these “tankies”? I only ever see strawman posts about how stupid they are.
Post something controversial like “Stalin killed some of his own people” on .ml and you’ll see plenty of them.
Either that or say NK is a dictatorship. When I first got on lemmy I got dogpiled by the hexies because I dared to say NK is a highly propagandized country (even gasp* moreso than the US). Still waiting for even a single one of those guys to move countries to live under the Kim regime, which apparently is the chillest, friendliest place on earth.
I mean they exist, but it’s like… 3 people?
It’s mostly bots, people get into argument with tankie bots and then make a whole fucking drama post about it.
I heard a conservative say the Iran situation is because Trump used to be a democrat and there’s still some democrat in him.
A 100% republican would have fixed Iran in 2 weeks.
Damn in hindsight, it’s obvious he’s a lying piece of shit rapist, but at the time it was obvious too.
Almost like the throughline is authoritarianism. They like it when they have control but they don’t like it when who they don’t like has control.
Honestly, it feels like those with lower iq and less ability to inform themselves are the ones that love authoritarianism. They can’t form a coherent ideology and devolve into just trying to control everyone to their beliefs.
That’s where the whole bullshit idea of horseshoe theory comes from. It’s people leaving out the authoritarian axis because it’s beneficial to divide actual leftists and make us seem crazy.
Why is far left trademarked?..
Satire
Why did you use the stethoscope instead of the actual left right auth liberty axes?
I more and more think that there is just one dimension starting by authoritarian and ending with social.
Faschistst, Tankies, free market libertarians, autocrats and feudalists, are just authoritarians in with different origins. Their team should be in power, their team should be supported by everyone, while they profit from it.
While social people want nobody to suffer, everyone to be in power and have self a determination, etc.
True free market libertarians are anti authoritarian. US free market libertarians are always happy to have tax cuts, subsidies, tariffs, regulatory oversight etc. So long as it benefits them.
There no such thing as a free market. It’s a constant tug of war between corporate consolidation and government/public power preventing monopoly and abuse. Removing the public power just leaves corporations unchecked and able to control the market itself.
I don’t think ‘true free market libertarians’ exist. They only want free market because it benefits them at the specific time or circumstances they want it.
They do exist. But not in the real business world.
There are economists that argue (with academic justification) that fewer frictions increase growth. But they usually ignore topics like human rights, environmental impacts, inequality etc.
Unthreatening and respectful, they just did a nuclear weapons test like a week ago
The US did over 1000 tests since WWII. So?
How does one get so far left that they are a “tankie”? I feel like I am very left leaning, but I would punch a tankie in the head.
is my understanding wrong? I don’t get how you could be “Far Left” (In that they would be against Authoritarian Governments like the Nazis) yet also a “Tankie” (Which embraces and supports Authoritarian Governments).
Help me?
It is honestly pretty simple:
US = bad -> anti US = good
Add to that the idea that revolutions are inherently violent and killing of some traitors is fine and you have your tankie. For dictators being somewhat anti American is a pretty good strategy. The US propaganda is pro democracy and that is a great enemy for a dictator, the US also does a lot of evil shit and the fact that your country is poor is all to blame on the US and absolutely not on the dictators stealing everything. That btw is also why “socialism” never worked for tankies. As in it would have been perfect, but the US destroyed it.
As for many of the best stories, there is a good bit of truth in it. As in the US actually does a lot of evil shit and 100% fights leftist movements. However it is not always the bad guy and two bad guys can fight each other and do so all the time.
Bacuse left and right - socialism and capitalism - have nothing to do with authoritarianism, which itself is a spurious concept. All systems are authoritarian; you’re not allowed to form a communist state under liberalism, you’re not allowed to form a government under anarchism, etc. You’re forced to play by the rules of the hegemonic system, authoritarian is just a label for whether you personally like those rules.
Specifically, it was made to separate Hitler from the right and pawn him off to the left.
Something something broken clock
It’s what happens when you don’t have the the ability to analyze through dialectical materialism. It’s confusing when suddenly the fascist mad man is seemingly taking the same stance as “tankies” on normalizing relations with a non violent country who’s only crime has been being victim of a genocidal campaign over half a century ago. Trump likes Kim for the same reason that he likes Xi. He thinks they are actually the evil dictators that the US makes them out to be. He wants to be an evil dictator. He will always respect any leader that panders to his ego and treats him like a leader. Ironically, Western countries are bad at this. It’s why he hates europe. Hell, Mamdani was smart enough to play a similar game of charisma. That’s the dialectics. At least from what we are hearing from Trump. It’s why he says things like this.
The main material reason is that the defeat in Iran has made any chance of the US maintaining its military in East Asia laughable. It cannot maintain its illusion of China being a threat. If China was going to invade Taiwan it would have done it. Instead, China cut its oil imports to help all of its Asian neighbors. The dream of a “shift to Asia” that happened under Obama is gone. The US power in West Asia is dying and they are pulling weapons and troops from East Asia to desperately attempt to hold onto it. They are stuck with capital invested in a region that they are showing absolute failure and weakness in. With capital investments in Israel and the military industrial complex Trump is being pressured to just “bring things back to how they were”. They never will be. It may take a long time before that is admitted. I expect another round of bombing campaigns and maybe even a desperate small ground troop invasion to attempt to save face and “claim the strate”. But this likely will fail and remain in this denial state for some time; ending through a different president most likely.
He will continue to deny the defeat and soon desperately shift to the one region of the world US capital can continue to exploit: South America.
Some of this is me mixing in my own predictions. Feel free to critize that. But, we obviously all know “JDPON Don” falls into the correct position sometimes, often because of his own ego and the shifting global relations in the face of a dying empire.
TLDR: The “tankies” are against American Imperialism. American Imperialism is losing its power and is forced by material circumstances to take actions that “tankies” would consider good. Trump is appealing to the “strong man” in Kim to make his weak move (failed Iran war causing troops and weapons to be removed) look like strength.
My horseshoe theory is that fascists are immune to horseshoes. I propose to launch horseshoes at Mach 4 at fascists to test this hypothesis (fascists take no damage from horseshoes being the null) and await positive response from the IRB
I heard recently on a podcast a friend put on after we broke a ‘length of time arguing about music’ rule that ‘horseshoe theory exists and is real, but only for idiots’
This is the truest thing I have ever heard.
Donald Trump has been appointed new administrator of lemmy.ml.
At least they don’t make hidden blocklists to shadownban dissenting opinions. They just dunk on you publicly.
It’s crazy to call that dunkimg on somebody. It’s the equivalent to having to get rid of a houseplant because your idiot trembling chihuahua is scared of it and pisses on the floor whenever it sees it.
You have been banned from Lemmy.ml
why do you say this
ML stands for Marxist-Leninist, but in practice it stands for kissing the ass of the dictators in China, Russia and North Korea.
which are all right wing countries by the way, thats why they mirror conservatives.
lol, I always thought it stands for machine learning
meth learning.
I thought it was the national domain of the Metherlands…???
The Metherlands? That’s my new go to for the Missouri boot heel?
I’m so confused
Trump begged the South Koreans to join on Trump’s Iran war. SK said go pound sand. Trump is throwing a tantrum like the baby he is.
“Far left”
“Tankie”
Choose one
The tankies describe themselves as such.
To not be associated with them, more actual far-left adherents need to actively disavow the tankies.
You can be left and authoritarian. At least outside of the US you can, in America all politics get squashed into a single binary choice, so it seems weird.
You can also be left and be right, and dumb and wise, and black and white, all simultaneously! Up is down, back is forwards, authoritarian is left!
No, left is against hierarchy
It’s not a binary. I’m against hierarchal class structures but I still think we need specialists making rules about shit like environmental protection.
No, left is socialist (in the broad sense, opposed to individualism)
* Anarchism has entered the chat*
Yea just gonna full sail disagree with you on this claim.
Many types of anarchism fit under the socialist umbrella
Yes, I agree, which would disagree with the other comment’s point that socialism inherently opposes individualism.
Interesting. Where/when are they not opposed?
Edit: Noting that I didn’t mean that they are mutually exclusive outside of social structure… You can take individual actions in a socialist society. The question is just around which is the core principle of the organisation of society.
Edit 2: to me anarchy isn’t inherently individualistic, it is just opposed to power-over social structures. You can have a voluntary socialism. Look at Chiapas, for instance.
Sorry, that doesn’t play into the both-sides false-equivalency rhetoric. Please delete this comment.
Tankies are what happens when you go all the way left and all the way up into Authoritarianship
end up being right wing. authoritarian in nature is often conservative leaning.
Right wing and left wing are economic labels communism and capatalism. Right wing people tend to cluster towards the authoritarian side of the authority and liberty scale but so do left wingers.
Yeah but right wing in tankie states were called the nomenclature, the old guard
This is such a lemmy.world flavored thread lol
Lol right globe emoji dumbass take celebrated by libs
Ok, so the basic gist im getting is that he begged sk to help save him from his iran quagmire, and when they rejected he said “ok fu” and took strategic resources (includong air craft carrier) out of the region, which finally reduced the pressure enough to sk to finally request peace from nk without daddy US butting in?
Trump got mad at being rejected, and tried to threaten imperilment, but instead it got nuetralized by peace because the us was holding up nk/sk tensions, especially in the latest while?
If so, this should be the strongest evidence for the technique of dealing with us foriegn deplomacy, just turn the chud down and he’ll just give you your soverignty back.
Just stand up to the pretensious bully
Actually I think it’s simply that Kim Jong Un says nice things to Trump and is Trump’s kind of guy, while his counterpart in SK Lee Jae Myung is a kind of bad ass progressive.
Perhaps someone will be along in a moment to tell me how wrong I am but from wikipedia Myung seems to have a pretty amazing story:
Lee grew up in poverty and often missed social activities because his family lacked the funds, relying on school faculty’s support to join field trips and community events. He cited fishing along the creek with friends as one of his favorite pastimes
Like other children from poor families, Lee worked in a handmade necklace factory instead of attending middle school. When the necklace factory went bankrupt, he found work at Dongma Rubber. Because he was underage, he worked under various aliases. While working there, Lee injured his finger
After the first accident, Lee left Dongma Rubber and worked for Daeyang Industry. There, an industrial press crushed his wrist joint in a second injury. The wound went untreated and resulted in a permanent arm disability.
Lee has stated his own experience with severe poverty inspired his political philosophy of “suppressing the strong, helping the weak” (억강부약; 抑強扶弱; eokgangbuyak), which seeks to curb the privileges and excesses of the powerful and support society’s poorest members
… [becomes lawyer] …
After opening his own lawyer’s office, Lee organized for labour and human rights with the lawyers’ organization Minbyun, working with the heads of labour counselling centers in Incheon and Gwangju. In 1995, he started a civic movement as a founding member of the ‘Seongnam Citizens’ Association’. He gained fame as a lawyer and social activist in relation to the “Park View” preferential sale case, where an investigation suggested corruption in the awarding of building permits and preferential sales of property in Bundang to government officials.
On 2 January 2024, Lee was stabbed in the left side of his neck while holding a question and answer session with reporters after touring the construction site of a planned new airport located on Gadeokdo in Busan.
Lee gained international attention in 2024 when, after President Yoon Suk Yeol declared martial law and attempted to stop the National Assembly from convening using the military, he continued to go to the Assembly building anyway. Lee started a livestream on his YouTube channel, recording himself in a car driving to the National Assembly and climbing the National Assembly building fence to bypass the military personnel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Jae_Myung
What a guy. I suspect that he is one of the few national leaders who has refused to felate Trump’s ego.
