If the pussy grabbing thing wasn’t, nothing ever will be.
Or the making fun of the disabled news reporter. Or the not renting to black people, or the using a charity as his personal piggy bank. I’m sure the list goes on and on
Or trying to have 5 young brown children executed for a crime they were later proven to have not committed.
Yes, exactly what I am referring to
Of course everybody with two functioning brain cells knew from the start that this fucker is spectacularly unqualified. But when this came out, it was very plain to see for everybody that all the values “conservatives” claimed to stand for meant absolutely nothing to him.
I’ve repeated this many times.
After the ‘pussy’ tape came out, a Conservative woman went on The View TV show to defend Trump. One of the other women on the panel kept repeating ‘pussy’ over and over. Finally the Conservative woman demand that the other panelist stop using that vulgar term.
I remember you saying this in a previous comment!
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that’s when you ************ so much your ************ turns ************ right?
I was actually going to go for something else, but when I saw it in my queue I had to share it.
Go Team Venture.
Or claiming Veterans who were killed or were captured were losers. I thought Americans were proud of their armed forces.
I disagree (with the title but agree with you the post), Jan 6th should truly be the dealbreaker. Why? Cause it’s not even politics, it’s simple rules of games.
If you can’t accept when you lose, you don’t get to play anymore.
They had 4 years to jail him over treason and they didn’t. I said it before and I’ll say it again, Biden should have jailed him for Jan 6th.
Biden should have used the bully pulpit and pushed hard to prosecute. Merrick Garland is technically the one who sat on his ass for 2 years before getting started, which is how Trump was able to delay through the election then throw out his own cases.
Based on the strong bipartisan coverup of the Epstein Files, clearly there are reasons Biden’s donors didn’t want to prosecute one of “their own.” So they didn’t, because the people don’t get represented in America, only capital owners do.
Biden should have had him and the rest of the isurrectionists executed for trying to overthrow throw democracy. Jailing them just changes their platform for inciting rebellion.
All the trumpers would have risen up to do violence, but fuck it: execute them, too.
The only reason the Jan 6th rioters got in the Capitol is because Donald Trump specifically chose not to call in the National Guard to protect the Capitol. If MAGA had attempted a second insurrection when Trump was jailed and Biden was in office, they wouldn’t have gotten anywhere.
This is the kinda stuff I laughed about pre-last election when MAGA was calling for civil war if Kamala won. It’s not funny now, but the truth remains. An outright seizure of the Capitol/White House/SCotUS is nigh impossible unless our leader wants it. Now, the Jan 6th crowd was exceptionally stupid in not even being able to navigate the Capitol floor; but navigation abilities won’t matter when you get gunned down approaching the entrance.
also racism, they have to be careful around White people who are committing crimes too, without angering white voter base in general. alot of them pretend to be on the left, but act very wierdly around POCs.
It is what they plan for the rest of us. Fascism has always been a sort of “blindly obey the leader or die” sort of thing.
The second major problem is that a whole bunch of people are then killed, first for being the wrong ethnicity, or killed for having the wrong beliefs, or maybe you just live on land that some rich asshole wants to steal. These people will never even be given a chance to “obey” but will likely be told that they are being killed for disobedience. Or someone will be told.
And the lie will be believed, because it will be convenient to do so.
Merrick Garland deserves a place in hell with Newt Gingrich, The Koch Family, Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, and Mitch McConnell.
Now I personally believe that Garland was just that incompetent rather than malicious as the others are.
However, his incompetence is dammingly damaging to the future of the entire planet.
I’ll never understand how Biden just let that go. He should have made it impossible for Trump or any of the other criminals from the previous administration to participate in politics again.
A legacy of cordiality and decorum that allowed fascism back in.
If I were Biden, locking all those traitors up would have been priority number one. Had they done that, the world would be a much better place.
They all should have been on a plane to Gitmo before the sun set on inauguration day.
If not then, the very instant the supreme court ruled that anything the president does is legal as long as it’s an official act.
Limp dick energy dating back to Andrew Johnson?
Oh come on, he’s not THAT old. /s
I agree with you, though I don’t know what measures he could have taken, specifically, to ensure that.
This nation has a long history of precedent for dealing with traitors and criminals.
Issue being that Americans collectively no longer agree on what those words mean.
We don’t have to agree. He was in power, he can decide. Just like Trump is deciding what counts as “hate speech” now.
We do agree. It’s just like I said, I am not sure what mechanism he could use exactly to do this. Presidents don’t just declare people traitors and criminals and jail them. If they could, Trump would have the entire Democratic Party in the slammer. There might have been more Biden could do, I just don’t know exactly what. And you don’t seem to either.
He waited almost two years to take any action on this because he didn’t want to look like it was a political attack but trump was going to play that card either way. If he had told them to start working from day one this wouldn’t be happening. There was plenty he could have done but he was too wrapped up in the old system of traditions to understand that things have changed.
The supreme court literally said that anything the president does is legal as long as it’s an offical act. He should have done whatever needed to be done. Regardless of the law. If people had problems with it we could have dealt with him after the fact and revised whatever laws needed to be revised. He’s old as shit anyway so had nothing to lose. Instead he sat on his hands and allowed Trump to regain power leaving us to deal with the consequences while he will be dead before long anyway.
Because, for his supporters, anything but them getting their own way is an injustice.
He’s the narcissist’s hero.
It’s the moderates and centrists that worry me. I know he had a laundry list of deal breakers. But after Jan 6th, he should have lost every sliver of support from anyone who doesn’t support treason.
The problem is that he did, in that moment, and then media and people walked it back and minimized it for 3.5 years until by the time everyone voted again, well, he didn’t go to prison so maybe they made it up or it wasn’t so bad? See also: his felonies were “political”.
Truth is that most Americans are so busy living or surviving that they don’t go learn or seek out different views to become more well-rounded. Propaganda works.
I don’t understand why AIPAC, Citizens United, exorbitant health care and education costs, tax rates for the rich, slavery in prisons, and every other goddamned ridiculous thing that other first world countries don’t have wasn’t a deal breaker.
While I agree, what would it mean for these to be “dealbreakers”?
Bill Clinton gave tax rates for the rich, but he didn’t run on that – he ran on expanding the Middle Class. Barack Obama ran on a platform of fixing healthcare, and he sorta did. Citizens United v FEC was decided in 2010. The next election, Bernie Sanders’ common-sense social safety nets were wildly popular among Democats and purple state voters – not enough to beat the entire Democratic line-up that gave their delegates to Hillary Clinton, but still very popular.
On the debate stage, Donald Trump called out the same ridiculous Republican warmongering and perils of the USAmerican people that Bernie called out. In doing so, Trump sweeped out Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz, and every other preferred neo-conservative candidate – while being a billionaire rapist fraudster who owned a gold-plated apartment. Trump continued that diagonalization campaign strategy in 2024, to great success. He’s naming real issues, and rallying up support with it, because people are exactly as fed up as you presume they should be. This is why MAGA voters are so aggressive. This is what the Jan 6th insurrectionists thought they were fighting for.
While I curse out the generation before me who allowed this country to get this way, I can’t really say what they should have done differently. It’s not like there weren’t massive anti-war protests. It’s not like the USA populace wanted to be deployed in Iraq, or Afghanistan, or Iran. Bush hid the facts. It’s not like people want these massive medical costs and unreasonable student loans… but what do we do? Changes were being teased in Congress; there was hope in the Supreme Court; presidential campaigns promised prosperity and ease, and USAmericans clung to that hope.
So did we sleepwalk through it all? Yes – But I don’t see how people could have been persuaded differently with anything short of foresight of exactly this reality of the year 2025. Reformists aren’t going to burn down the Capitol when Congress is debating Medicare For All, even if it’s the 40th year debating this issue; even after the vote fails.
You touched on it; Citizens United. Change that and we’re back to a coherent timeline.
I also think the consolidation of media outlets into massive billionaire-controlled mouthpieces of industry alongside with Cambridge Analytica opening the flood gates on social medianl propagandization were crucial, but Citizens United will always be the death of the USA for me; it just took a few years for the corpse to start really stinking up the place.
I think we can only make more laws and regulations against it moving forward. High school requirements on media literacy and propaganda to graduate. Also, mandatory elections after 30 days of shutdowns. Laws that no votes in a state can be counted until every able voter has cast a ballot. Term limits. Taxes higher as income increases. Assets can’t be hidden as corporate property. Billionaires taxed out of existence. We just have to prevent more shit like it happening again.
Look, all you have to do is accept my one and only axiom: Most people on this planet are total and absolute idiots.
Actually this always was a point against democracy
Even the smart people aren’t smart enough.
I’m not inclined to agree with “most”, but the idiot:not-idiot ratio in society is way higher than I’m comfortable with. It’s almost enough to make the question the wisdom of putting so many people on the road, driving their own cars.
The part that really shook me is when I talked to enough people to figure out that stupidity isn’t always obvious. A person can speak well, be exposed to a lot of different news sources, have ample access to information, graduate from a decent school, and still be a total moron when it comes to a lot of things. Like functional illiteracy, grown adults learn how to cope and mask in ways that are shockingly good, considering they cover for huge deficits at the same time.
I mean 50% of the population literally is less intelligent than the average.
Only if the median and mean coincide
If we assume IQ is a proper representation of intelligence than sure they do.
I agree, and I think I’m among them too (no I don’t say that because I voted Trump, I’m not American)
Admit it, you voted third party! Just so you know: thats like voting for Trump but indirectly.
Huh?
varnia is suggesting you didn’t vote for the Democrats. Which, considering you’re not American, seems highly likely.
Oh haha okay I had no idea what they meant.
I did vote for Nicusor Dan in Romania and that guy is as much of a democrat as they get around here haha
Perception is reality.
Control news, social media, and church and you can distort/gaslight reality.
Only the better educated can sometimes see through bullshit.
There are Americans that believe Trump has never lied. Like ever. About anything. He is truth. Some Americans actually believe this.
So they have no capacity to think logically, not even a tiny bit? Or do they just have no capacity in remembering stuff?
They don’t want to think. At all. Just listen to what they’re told by fox or Facebook and get comfort in hating some group(s) “ worse than them “ while they believe they’re better than most people. They’re fully delusional.
Nah, worse than that. The root of the conservative pathology is self-hatred. They fear that they are worthless, shit people. A person who believes that they are better than everybody else can sit smugly in the corner and be superior in peace. Conservatives need near-constant reassurance that other people are worse than themselves, hence the performative cruelty they crave.
They are also too cowardly to live freely, so they end up hating actual freedom and those that enjoy it because they hate themselves for allowing their freedom to be robbed by their ideology.
They are terminally uncurious. Explaining to his cult individually that he has said things himself they can listen to is baffling to them. They only hear it through their filter of choice.
I think you are giving them far too much credit. Just as there are short people and tall people and skinny and fat, there are people that don’t have a lot going on upstairs. When I heard that 50% of people don’t have an inner monologue I was astounded. I thought it not to be true. That someone had to have fucked up. Seeing all this play out, it makes way more sense.
It’s a real problem if you ask me. The older I get the easier it is to notice in people.
They are literally brainwashed. I do not know what the solution to that is.
That just breaks my brain.
Mine was George Floyd. When I saw so many people stand up and say that man deserved death over a bounced check I knew they lost their damn mind.
The idea that death is an acceptable outcome from being suspected of any minor infraction underpins the conversation around basically every police killing, with every single person on the side justifying it being tacitly accepting of that premise.
It’s lunacy.
A few years after 9-11 for me. I grew up watching my classmates sing songs about indiscriminately bombing people in Afghanistan, and news reports of people being beaten or killed in the US for wearing any clothing that appeared Middle-Eastern. It made me sick to my stomach.
Nobody deserves to die… Even if they’re… uh… charlie kirk… No I think that one’s ok.
My take on Charlie is that I’m not surprised.
My take on Charlie and similar killings is that we’re in a war, and war is never nice. I don’t believe anyone should be assassinated, but I also don’t believe we’re playing by the rules of civility when we have hundreds of people being disappeared every day by masked agents on our street; and the government is tweeting out Nazi propaganda.
I heard his neck just did that
The second I saw he was running the first time, I knew it was going to be a disaster. Maybe I couldn’t appreciate just how much of a disaster it would be though
that escalator keeps going down to this day
Where was his cameraman when we really needed him?
“those people are ignorant”
-My conservative mother, pretending Trump didn’t work tirelessly for years enraging them, tell them to do exactly what they did, and then gleefully watch for 2 hours while they did it.
In other words, she thinks trump had nothing to do with it, as laughable as that is.
January 6 gave the Nazis hope and basically exposed how easy it is to topple the government if they have law enforcement on their side.
Until my final breath I’ll never understand how George W. Bush wasn’t a dealbreaker for every future Republican president. And then they voted for Trump of all people.
Like that’s it. We humans have failed evolution.
White Americans lost their fucking minds when Obama was elected
White americans voted for Obama. Blacks are only 13% of the country.
Big if true
All my white friends love Obama.
i doubt most of them voted for obama, alot more went with the gop instead.
Well…Americans have failed evolution.
Devo was right.
it isnt because evangelicals are afraid of losing thier influence in government, plus thier hold on the US, and oppression of POCs and lgbtq+ people, and are afraid of retribution and reprisal from the latter 2 groups.
If you pour enough money/resources into anyone, you can get them to win an election. Trump was just the easiest one to pour money into: he’s easily swayed, even more easily bought, and has a certain… shudders charisma (?) that makes him more electable than a rando mild conservative.
What you’re witnessing here is just capitalism. People with a lot of money and power wanted to gain even more money and power. Trump a convenient vehicle for that. So they poured money into his campaign and he won.
It’s a good reason to consider sortition, or a system that distributes power so that it’s super diffuse.
An example would be abolition of SCOTUS: Instead we create a special court for each individual case, pulling nine judges at random from the Appeals districts. That way, no Supreme Court justice can be owned the way Thomas and Alito are – or one can, but they’re not likely to get on all the cases a billionaire deems important.
Because half the fucking country is treating it like sports.
It’s because the Democrats didn’t inflict any consequences on Republicans and used the “let’s look to the future and not dwell on the past” framing on it. How can you blame voters for not taking it seriously if Democrats didn’t?
You’re speaking of long after Jan 6th occurred. The OP post is talking about on that day. As in, “how did those that would actually stand to benefit become willing to benefit at the cost of following the rule of law?” The disappointing answer is that those performing the insurrection on Jan 6th, as well as those that would stand to gain, are more concerned with being in power rather than respecting justice and the rule of law.
They called it out and Americans didn’t care.
alot of the dnc are Dinos, republicans that cant get elected from the right, so they have to pretend to be Dems on some issues, but republicans on most other ones. why we get people like schumer, jefferies, fetterman
