Good… but also I have no idea who that is 👴
Her music is infectious. Think 80’s Madonna if she were progressive, very lesbian, and even sadder and somehow more vengeful than Alanis Morissette
that’s a hell of an endorsement; enough that i went and listened. not my thing. but overall seems chill.
Did you listen to Good Luck Babe? https://youtu.be/1RKqOmSkGgM
thanks for that, but i am only more confused
A lot of the music I’ve heard from her (supposedly she’s been making music for like 10 years but I’ve only heard her most recent album and single) is about the pain of being a flamboyant, proud, energetic queer woman who has been in multiple situationships with women who don’t believe themselves to be queer, or who aren’t out of the closet.
I’m a sucker for emotional contrast so I can’t get enough of the upbeat sound she has since it pairs so well with the sadness.
“Good Luck Babe” is specifically about being in a relationship with a woman who is in denial about being a lesbian; hence “you’d have to stop the world just to stop the feeling so good luck, babe”
“Casual” is another good one about having a physical relationship with someone who insists that it’s casual and just a phase but Chappell knows it’s more meaningful to the person deep down but can’t avoid the pain that comes from that person denying her queerness and transitively denying the meaning that Chappell has in her life.
The sound probably isn’t for everybody, but the intensity of the feelings that are conveyed through the music are something I know every human can relate to.
Oh thanks, NPR is really good at dumbing down pop music for me.
I know of Chappell Roan because she’s recently been ruffling people’s feathers by asserting boundaries against fans’ parasocial weirdness; I’ve never heard any of her music, but this alone is enough to make me a fan.
She makes decent lesbian focused pop music. It’s fun to sing
That H-O-T-T-O-G-O verse is such an earworm.
Here’s her NPR Tiny Desk Concert
Edit: her music video for ‘Hot To Go’ shot in her Missouri hometown https://youtu.be/xaPNR-_Cfn0
And for the Elton fans, her cover of ‘Your Song’ https://youtu.be/wslno0wDSFQ
Right? Like random strangers shouldn’t be forced to real who they’d vote for, or pressured into political election related thingys…
“I just woke up to, like, people just skewing it even more,” Roan said of the reaction to her no endorsement post of Tuesday. “Endorsing and voting are completely different. I don’t agree with a lot of what is going on with, like, policies. Like, obviously, fuck the policies on the right, but also fuck some of the policies on the left. That’s why I can’t endorse.”
“I’m not gonna settle for what the options are that are in front of me, and you are not gonna make me feel bad for that,” Roan added today with a critique of both candidates and their positions, “So yeah, I’m voting for fucking Kamala, but I’m not settling for what has been offered, because that’s questionable.”
Fucking spot on.
fuck the policies on the right, but also fuck some of the policies on the left. That’s why I can’t endorse.
That’s a lame take. Unless you personally are running, you’re not going to agree with everything a candidate says. Hell, even if you do run you’ll probably end up making decisions you’re not happy with. Nothing is going to be perfect, that’s not the world we live in.
fuck the policies on the right, but also fuck some of the policies on the left. That’s why I can’t endorse.
That’s a lame take. Unless you personally are running, you’re not going to agree with everything a candidate says.
So people should just vote and stfu about any nuance within a party they disagree with?
Maybe I’m just not picking up what you’re putting down, but that’s how your comment scans to me.
Genocide to the left of me, genocide to the right…… here I am stuck in the middle with you….
So people should just vote and stfu about any nuance within a party they disagree with?
Of course not. That’s helping Trump win. You have to overwhelmingly support everything the party does at all times, especially the stuff you disagree with.
I’ve literally never heard anything even remotely close to this. Can you point me to someone who has said something that would make this an even remotely fair assessment?
Two comments up I quote a comment that is, and not just remotely, calling out criticism of policy of the US left.
PS It has just occurred to me that you’re being sarcastic. Please disregard lol
That’s a lame take. Unless you personally are running, you’re not going to agree with everything a candidate says.
That seems to be almost the exact opposite of saying you have to agree with all of the policies of the left.
She’s not really pointing out any nuance though, she’s just vaguely saying “both sides suck, but this one sucks slightly less”. At that point, why even bother with a public announcement at all? Plenty of celebrities don’t endorse anyone and no one care because they’re not out making press releases about it.
I can say that there are views that Harris has that I think suck, and at the same time say that I think Trump’s views suck, but Harris is better. It’s okay to be critical and still live in the reality of living in a FPtP system. Why make a public opinion? Just look at what her comments have brought. People are talking about her criticism of Harris, while also seeing that even though Harris doesn’t exactly align with her views, she’s still a clear better choice than that shit bag Trump. Intentional or not, her comments have gone viral and spread her views which will undoubtedly have an effect on some of her fans.
Yes, Harris’s genocide is way better than trump’s. Agree 💯
I think I can confidently say that Harris will be less bad for Palestine than Trump. So while it’s not her genocide, your statement is fairly accurate in that Harris is way better than Trump.
Yea I guess she just keeps arguing for unconditional support and unlimited funding for the genocide even though Netanyahu has spit in Biden’s face every time he opens his mouth.
I’m not voting for president this year unless there is a permanent cease fire and the genocide has stopped.
I refuse to vote for the lesser of two genocides.
Just admit to yourself (it’s already obvious to everyone else) that you don’t give a fuck about the Palestinians and move along.
Did you not watch the video? She explicitly mentions transphobia and genocide. And she made that video because a quote of hers was taken out of context (much like you’re doing) and people were saying her not endorsing Kamala meant she supports Trump.
So people should just vote and stfu about any nuance within a party they disagree with?
Know your audience.
I live in San Francisco. We’re not voting for Trump. I feel perfectly fine discussing the merits and drawbacks of different Dem candidates with people around me.
When you’re up against a legitimate fascist threat? Close. Fucking. Ranks. There’s no place for infighting when the margins are this close.
Also what policies? Like what’s the point of feigning a moral stand if you don’t define it? If she has legitimate grievances with the Democrats or leftist politics (yes pedants, I know they’re different and I’m saying “or” to include both, not to conflate them), then she should voice them. Otherwise she’s saying nothing but playing into the bs “both sides” false narrative that enormously benefits the right.
I think she is absolute right and within her rights to be critical and unenthusiastic about the Democratic options, but without actually offering critique then what is her weak centrist take accomplishing?
Assuming this is a centrist take is part of why she is pissed off. She isn’t endorsing because she opposes genocide and Dems treatment of trans people.
Dems are too far right for her and people are acting like she is saying trump has his good points.
Because we don’t live in Candyland, we live in reality. Conflating the two currently viable parties is centrist, in impact if not in intent. The reality is that harm reduction is the adult way to process complex choices in the world. All of the things she claims to care about will be objectively worse under Republican control, full stop. And shitty as it is, the Presidential race is currently a binary, again full stop. Claiming anything else is ignorance.
If she, or anyone else, actually cares about breaking the binary, you don’t do that flirting with a ridiculously unrealistic longshot (this word does not even begin to accurately describe the magnitude here) in the presidential, you do it by focusing efforts on legitimizing third parties where they are potentially viable - local and smaller scale races. You put in the fucking work and put your boots on the ground - you canvas your local community in support of local third party candidates, you inform your neighbors of the issues and importance of third party options locally, or you fucking run third party in viable elections yourself if no third party option exists. Talking about breaking the binary by conflating both sides in the presidential election is ignorance, reductive, and entirely non-productive.
Best case scenario Roan is wildly naive to reality, but even then her words only muddy the waters and encourage preventing very real harm reduction, full fucking stop.
Did anyone actually watch the video? She’s upset that neither side represent what she deems acceptable.
She’s young and doesn’t understand that government doesn’t get fixed in a day. Where we are is the result of influence from corporate stooges since Reagan. It’s come to a boiling point and I understand her frustration. A vote for Harris is a vote for steering the ship towards what she deems is acceptable, but that ship sails slower than a lot people can understand.
She’s not that young, she’s been doing music for a decade and working service jobs till now. And you can understand something and still feel it is unacceptable.
She’s 26. That’s fairly young for a voter. Not really sure what her cv has to do with being considered old.
Service industry work can build wisdom.
Idk about wisdom but I can attest to a speedy loss in faith of the human population.
Some would say that can be the same thing.
You’re so young that you think doing something for a decade is a long time.
Doing anything for a decade is a long time. That’s 1/7th of an American’s life span and 1/8th of a developed humans life span.
UN life expectancy at birth in USA: 79.30 years
UN life expectancy at birth in EU: 81.50 years
UN life expectancy at birth in Hong Kong (world #1): 85.51 years
Doing something for a decade IS a long time, but that isn’t your point. She has plenty experience in singing and being a pop star. She is still young. 26 is young.
It doesn’t mean you should dismiss their opinion about everything, but don’t let perfect be the enemy of good. She seems to be fixated on perfect and missing the march toward good.
After what she pulled today in NY, it’s clearly not about age. It’s about maturity. She’s clearly not ready to handle the spotlight and isn’t emotionally very mature.
I would agree with you. I don’t have any knowledge about it, but you seem like you know who she is.
It’s what you do with your life, not how long you lived it, that matters when it comes to life experience. I’ve lived enough to draw a parallel to the following quote:
Men like this infantilize women, so women (they believe) will not have the confidence to leave them. They want to keep their wives, if not barefoot and pregnant, at least without the skills and confidence needed to have a career that could support them well. Similarly, at work, they define their secretary’s role as part mother, part wife, so they always will be taken care of. Finally, they are so dependent upon the regard of their male colleagues, bosses, and oftentimes even their subordinates, that they will violate their own sense of ethics rather than face the possibility of not being one of “the boys.”
- Ursula K Le Guin
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I agree with the core of what you’re saying except I disagree that she “doesn’t understand” how slowly politics works. I think her decision to vote for Harris anyway speaks to that kind of understanding, else she’d endorse a third-party candidate/write-in in a poor attempt to speed-run democracy.
She’s young and doesn’t understand that government doesn’t get fixed in a day.
I’m old and I’m still waiting for the government to be fixed.
Abortion was illegal for 70-120 years depending on the state. It was 50ish years from the progressive era and the beginning of birth control to the ruling of Roe. Overturning roe was a 50 year political project by the right.
Sometimes it takes a lifetime.
We keep breaking it by voting for Republicans every now and then.
If Democrats ran every branch of the government at every level I still doubt it would get fixed.
California is doing pretty damn good. Not perfect, but head and shoulders above the rest of the country.
Exactly: Even if they ran everything they’d do stupid shit.
“Nothing is perfect, therefore everything is equally shit.”
What a stupid philosophy. Like all “bothsides” bullshit.
That’s not what I’m saying at all but don’t let that stop you from punching left.
In what way is CA doing ‘pretty damn good’…?
By bulldozing homeless camps I guess.
Income, life expectancy, healthcare access. Union membership. Cali home prices are unaffordable because people want to live there and are willing to pay for it.
You live under a rock or something?
I mean it guess they’re not banning books or switching to school vouchers but I’m pretty sure low income households are doing just as bad if not worse over there
Aren’t they, like, tearing down homeless encampments on a monthly basis?
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By being richer than most other countries in the world.
That’s really what it’s about anyways. Identity politics are just icing for wealth generation for the upper class.
She’s been getting a lot of hate for not endorsing Harris and people fail to realize the difference between endorsing and voting. Her entire point is that the government can’t be fixed in a day. Voting for Harris is the obvious choice but her being in office isn’t going to magically solve all our problems.
Except, by definition, she is endorsing Harris by publicly supporting her candidacy. Endorse doesn’t mean you agree with everything they stand for, but if you are publicly saying who you are voting for, that’s an endorsement.
A: this isn’t really an endorsement, more than it is an acknowledgement of how fucked the options are. If you’d like to know the difference, go look at what Swifts endorsement looked like
B: she wasn’t even going to say who she was voting for, but libs decided to harass her until she did
example: I use windows for work but i’m sure as fuck not going to recommend it to other people. Saying that i’m forced to use windows for work is not an endorsement. I’d go so far as to say that in this context it’s more of a complaint or indictment than a endorsement.
She is telling the world that she thinks Harris is the best choice to vote for in this election. It’s 100% an endorsement. Literally by definition. People seem to be confusing endorsing someone to marrying yourself to all of their views.
declare one’s public approval or support of.
Err, you working from a different dictionary?
This is why she resisted saying who she was voting for initially, and why she is explicitly saying she is not endorsing
What does voting for someone do if not show support for them? In a democracy it’s the ultimate form of support.
Lmao, idk maybe go watch her videos, she is definitely not voicing support and certainly not approval
Just so I’m clear: you’re saying that if I had a gun to my head and was forced to choose between getting shot or eating dogshit, and I chose dogshit, that would be considered an endorsement?
The problem is she’s trying to bring nuance to a bumper sticker platform.
Yeah I get it. I was young once and I’ve even had to have the bitter realization that even Revolution neither happens in a day nor resolves anything quickly. I ask for the passion of the young to hold hands with the wisdom of us older folks. It’s easy to demand sudden change, and important too, but building bases of power are important.
Vote for Kamala then hold her feet to the fire. Vote in every primary. Discuss what you think with people around you when it comes up, I know I’m the annoying pro trains girl at work. Build the support and make those maga losers afraid to show their faces.
And entertainers can do so much. Cobain got people who wouldn’t otherwise thinking of homophobia as uncool for example
I know I’m the annoying pro trains girl at work.
Ugh, train people are the worst. WE GET IT, YOU LIKE TRAINS.
Edit: I genuinely thought this was a typo and they meant “pro-trans.” But maybe they actually did mean “trains.”
I’m not cis passing enough to be openly talking trans issues at work. Nah I talk public transit. Shit like replacing air travel with high speed rail.
I also misread your comment as pro-trans, but we DO need more trains! So keep bringing it up, you are doing good work.
Yeah I hope cis people will speak up for me. I’ll speak up for public transport, it’s what engineers should be doing.
If it makes it better I’m also annoying about other infrastructure. Dams are excellent
Are you significantly older than Chappell Roan? Because I’m imagining you’re the one who doesn’t understand something.
Kamala isn’t in the correct direction at all though. The democratic party serves to delay progress in favor of the Republican party. There’s a reason they lie so much and confuse and refuse to address issues progressive voters want to address. It’s not gonna get better unless people stop voting for the same “lesser evil” presented to them and pushed to them in the media.
This is either some wild optimism or accelerationism.
Gay rights activists got started in the 1970’s and in the 80’s they got homosexuality taken off the list of mental disorders and in the 90’s it looked like Hawaii was going to legalize same sex marriage and then the conservatives took notice and passed the defense of marriage act and Bill Clinton signed it (yes, a Democrat) and then Iowa and Massachusetts courts legalized it at the state level in the 00’s and for 10 years we watched court cases and ballot measures go state by state and then in 2014 we got obergefell.
Republicans did not get us marriage equality, Democrats did. Republicans opposed it at every step. Even obergefel would not have happened if Clinton had not won and picked some SC justices. Clinton had a Republican house and Senate and he was more concerned with avoiding a government shutdown. Defense of marriage act was a Republican bill. Don’t ask don’t tell was a compromise with Republicans. Obama repealed don’t ask don’t tell after Dems took the white house and both houses of Congress.
It matters who is in charge, every year, every election. And the Republican hasn’t been the progressive option since teddy Roosevelt left the Republicans to form the bull moose party.
So acting like we need to punish the Democrats for not opposing netanyahu by electing Republicans is literally throwing Palestinians and poc and queer people and poor people under the bus for your own self rightiousness.
It’s not going to get better under Trump either, and your ballot has more choices than President on it. I’m sure you volunteered for local progressive campaigns, right?
In the American elections you can definitely vote in.
Boomer centrists know what a search engine is, but since Chappell Roan didn’t endorse, and voting isn’t good enough, so they’re like “Who? I never heard of her! She must not be very important if she doesn’t agree with me 100% on my terms!”
Centrists can’t imagine people being frustrated with their decades of obstruction and sliding to the right.
I’ve noticed the blue centrist types love to bully and belittle anyone and anything that doesn’t immediately get in line with their idea of a passive reality.
Who knew building a world around your own personal joy and nothing else makes you not connected to others and the tiredness of those not living it.
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You may not be interested in what any “celebrity” chooses politically, but there are huge groups of (stupid) people who let the people they like/follow dictate their choices.
As much as the Idiocracy of this is apparent, I don’t mind because it may get more people actually involved.
On the other hand, I very much appreciate knowing which celebrities support an administration that poses a threat to my family. I will not vote for someone based on a celebrity endorsement, but the celebrity may gain or lose my business over it.
I really liked Kid Rock in his early days. The music was catchy, and it had the right mix of redneck, rock, and rap to make this country boy happy. Now I won’t listen to him because he chose to openly throw in with politicians who do not care if their policies and rhetoric kill my friends or kids.
Politics is now team sports. They just want you on “their team”.
Politics is a combination of indoctrination and team sport. If not for indoctrination, the conservative team would have very few players.
I guess I’m officially old because I don’t know who tf this person is or why I should care about her opinion but I keep seeing her name everywhere🤣
She has a really good queer pop album.
The Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess is an incredible piece of work.
I’ll give it a listen
That’s the one I had in mind yup.
She’s like if Kate Bush and Cindi Lauper had a baby…
Ok… that sounds pretty good 🤣
Are you old enough to understand that acting like something new is beneath you is unbecoming?
Uh, it’s a ticket. You can’t vote for one and not the other. Walz is implicitly endorsed. I don’t understand what the point of the headline’s distinction is.
She’s voting for Kamala but not endorsing her.
Yeah, dumb title confused me too. I didn’t care enough to read the article but comments helped me realize “no VP endorsement” means she’s not endorsing Harris, who is the current VP.
Ah. Yeah, I suppose that makes more sense. But also, I feel like the distinction is somewhat pedantic. You’re openly saying you’re voting for them, which is essentially an implied endorsement. That’s not a tortured chain of logic. That’s a pretty direct inference.
Yeah, it’s pedantic but I can respect the nuance. Endorsement may feel like condoning things you don’t approve of, while saying you’re voting for them acknowledges it’s the best of bad options. It’ll most likely have the same effect, but it makes sense to me why someone wouldn’t want to put their name behind someone they don’t feel totally aligned with.
Silly comparison that comes to mind, but in my family we have the concept of a “tout” vs a “recommendation.” If I recommend something, it’s because I like it and you might too. A tout is a serious thing though; that is putting our reputation on the line to say, “I believe you will love this thing,” and if someone touts something, you’re pretty much obligated to check it out. If a tout was wrong, you don’t have to take their word for things again. We recommend plenty, but the use of a tout comes with weight.
So in this case, this person recommends Harris, but doesn’t tout her. Harris is good enough to deserve her vote, but she doesn’t want her reputation aligned with anything Harris may eventually do.
WHO IS THIS PERSON
One of the biggest pop stars currently. Here she is setting the record for largest crowd of all time at Lollapalooza in Chicago this summer.
Shit, its like Bad Bunny all over again. Had no idea who he was, just to find out he is/was the biggest artist in the world. I fear I may be out of touch.
starting to get big. you’ve probably heard her music on the radio recently if you tune into a pop station. she’s got some good stuff!
r-radio?
I’m 45, and even I haven’t listened to radio and at least a decade
Her voice is phenomenal. Her performing the other night in Glasgow, just chills when she sings…
My folk, get yourself an FM radio, and turn that shit on every morning. It’s bliss.
If I don’t have the ability to listen to adless streaming from my phone, I’d sooner rather listen to road noise than the trash on the radio or sit in silence if not driving. A couple of songs and then 10 minutes of the same ads is more than enough reason to never turn that shit on.
Agreed, the relentless ads are intolerable (probably due to fewer listeners, which leads to a death spiral, much like antenna TV). I haven’t heard anyone recommend radio since before the iPod. I’d prefer nature/noise as well.
Ads on the radio?? I meant like public broadcasting
Yea, ads, like commercials. There are more of them and shitty radio DJs talking than actual music being played. If someone were to listen to an AM talk radio station, then there’s generally less commercials in my experience, but it’s low quality, and just a talk radio show.
Well I’m sorry to hear that. I guess I’ve been spoiled.
Its all fuckin dorks doing talk radio until 10am, then its same 10 songs on repeat for the rest of the day. At least in my area.
She’s be in that rotation lol 😂
Well I’m sorry, because there’s some good radio in my area. I guess you could stream good radio from other regions online rofl
Also you don’t have to listen to it all day. I just check in mornings, evenings, and some weekends (really good classical programming)
Don’t be so proud of your ignorance. Just look it up.
She needs to get off the internet. She has more dumbasses and trolls now than she had total fans 2 years ago and she doesn’t know how to handle it.
This was my take on it. She is a big Star, I figured she would have learned to just ignore the fanatics by now. She just comes off so frustrated in the video. We didn’t see Taylor Swift writing up a response every time fans demand it.
Tay sway has been media trained since she was a child. She’s a product and she knows it. Roan was playing on a keyboard in the park not that long ago and she hasn’t figured out that she will go crazy trying to manage her fame like she is.
Speak for yourself.
Like, she sounds like, so eloquently spoken and with like, well fucking thought out opinions, like fuuuuck! Im totally picking who she is sort of picking but not picking like wow. For real for real.
No cap. Frr
Go shake your fist at the kids in your lawn grandpa.
How old are you to still be criticizing accents that are older than the vast majority of countries?
Thats not an accent dude that’s just someone who cant string a sentence together without making meaningless interjections every several words. It’s the equivalent of saying uhhhh every uhhhh time you need to uhhhhh think because you uhhhhh didn’t figure out your uhhhhh thoughts before uhhhh spitting them out.
Uhh… One of the best orators… Uhmm Brack Obama, um, was famous for thee uh, way he talked. Uhm but is still considered. One of the best, um, if not the best spoken president, of this generation.
Some people just talk different. Get over it.
Best orators?! Yo he got made fun of all the time for that!
That’s an accent. I’m sorry you hate a modified/updated valley girl accent but it’s been around a lot longer than you, and will be around long after your bloodline ends.
I don’t think that’s called an accent, that’s an affectation.
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It’s bizarre that libs got mad at her either now or in the first place. I’ve heard this bizarre take of “Voting is not an endorsement!” plenty of times on here, and it just means that the person believes in unconditionally supporting the Dems while assuaging their conscience by sending thoughts and prayers to alter reality. Publically saying that you’ll vote for someone is an endorsement. It doesn’t matter what thoughts you hold on your head unless those thoughts actually impact material reality in some way.
It’s good that she’s announced that she’s voting for Kamala. I imagine, even without an explicit endorsement, fans who are otherwise undecided - or perhaps not planning to vote - might go out and vote like their idol.
Meanwhile, somewhat cynically, she has a better chance of retaining fans who happen to vote the other way.
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