The world's most-visited deepfake website and another large competing site are stopping people in the UK from accessing them, days after the UK government announced a crackdown.
  • jagoan@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1462·
    8 个月前

    Streisand Effect will kick in soon. I don’t even know any deep fake porn sites.

    • henfredemars@infosec.pubEnglish
      382·
      8 个月前

      I came here to post this. One should be careful because the action itself draws attention.

      • Frozengyro@lemmy.worldEnglish
        231·
        8 个月前

        Can’t just ignore it either. And it’s a catch 22, if you don’t talk about it people assume it isn’t a problem. But if you do, it brings more shitty people to the sites and copycat sites. Also, unfortunately most female public figures have already been targeted by these sites.

      • Khrux@ttrpg.networkEnglish
        102·
        8 个月前

        One of the issues here is that there is likely considerable overlap between people who are competent enough to circumvent the block with a VPN or the like, and people who’d be seeking out AI deepfake porn, just because the latter likely appeals to socially outcast (and unfortunately therefore often more tech savvy) people.

        I’m in the UK and glad this has been blocked but I also absolutely don’t trust the weird internet puritanism of the UK government, for at least the time I’ve been following politics as a you g teenager, there have been many attempts to block various aspects of porn on the internet, normally from a point of protecting children but the whole thing has always reeked of the government testing public outcry on blocking parts of the internet to later re-attempt to censor on their interests.

  • Brewchin@lemmy.worldEnglish
    421·
    8 个月前

    First line of the article:

    Two of the biggest deepfake pornography websites have now started blocking people trying to access them from the United Kingdom.

    This isn’t (yet) the UK blocking access to them as part of a Great Firewall of Britain thing. This is the sites themselves blocking visitors from the UK, the same as porn sites for various US states.

    As with porn sites, it’ll be using the geoIP tag of your IP address, which is notoriously unreliable, especially near geopolitical boundaries.

    Using a VPN or even a third-party (rather than your ISP’s) DNS server will often get around them. However, doing so will eventually probably get you in trouble.

        • astanix@lemmy.worldEnglish
          372·
          8 个月前

          What are the chances that the ones marking as malicious are owned by media conglomerates that are losing money because of the service 12ft supplies?

        • anyhow2503@lemmy.worldEnglish
          20·
          8 个月前

          Website scanning for malware or other undesirable content is extremely unreliable and prone to false positives. None of the three vendors are very well known (except for a few other reports of false positives). If anything that’s a pretty low hitrate on virustotal all things considered. Don’t put too much stock in the heuristics of companies whose business model revolves around scaring their customers and exploiting computer illiteracy.

        • BreakDecks@lemmy.mlEnglish
          2·
          8 个月前

          3/92 on virus total is a great result. The only scanners reporting a problem are the ones that are always wrong.

          • QuadratureSurfer@lemmy.worldEnglish
            31·
            8 个月前

            For scanning files, maybe.
            The vast majority of websites I go to have 0 detections.
            Occassionally, there are some with 1 detection.
            3 looks suspicious to me based on my experience, but I’m leaving that for everyone else to decide.

            At least this way everyone can make their own informed decision about visiting some random proxy site that they’d never heard of before.

  • inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.worldEnglish
    6751·
    8 个月前

    ITT: Assholes asking “ironically” for deepfakes.

    Yeah I get the sunny references, but the reason you are all thinking the same thing is because y’all acting like Mac. Who to be clear, was a giant PoS for asking the question. It should be a big ass red flag when you emulate the gang.

    • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
      314·
      8 个月前

      Making a joke referencing a character on a TV show doesn’t make you the same as that character.

      I sometimes say “one million dollars” then raise my pinkie to my mouth, but that doesn’t mean I want to mass genocide planet earth like Doctor Evil lol

      Most of the time, a joke is just a joke.

        • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
          41·
          8 个月前

          Well yeah I’m sure some do. Some out of genuine curiosity and some because their ethics go out the window when blood rushes to their dick.

          But I’m still not going to jump to the conclusion that people are perverted creeps just because they’re making a common pop culture reference.

          On the topic of IASIP, I frequently reference the “because of the implication” line. I do so because I find it funny to reference shows I like. Not because I want to buy a boat and coerce women into having sex with me under the perceived threat of violence.

      • inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.worldEnglish
        36·
        8 个月前

        Uh huh.

        But what’s the joke? Why is it funny? That people are asking for the link? The reason that so many people are making this joke is because they read the headline and wanted to know which site. So they came to the comments, and quoted Mac because his scene is the most well known reference to what they were doing. This isn’t like Dr. Evil, Mac heard about revenge porn and wanted to see, and bunch of dorks heard about deepfakes and “joke” about wanting to see.

        • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
          52·
          8 个月前

          Are you genuinely new to people referencing TV shows/films they like?

          and quoted Mac because his scene is the most well known reference to what they were doing

          Or they just referenced a joke on a TV show, seeing that this situation is similar. People make jokes. You don’t need to concoct a conspiracy theory that all the jokers aren’t actually joking and they’re really perverted creeps.

          I often reference Sunny’s “because of the implication” scene (if you don’t know of it I’m sure it’s on YouTube). Believe it or not, I do so because I like referencing TV shows I watch, not because I want to trick women into having sex with me on a boat under the perceived threat of violence/murder.

          I don’t appreciate you making rather awful accusations of people (that they’re sex pests), completely baselessly, because they quoted a damn TV show. You can’t read minds, you’ve just jumped to the most evil possible interpretation of what others are doing, rather than the most likely: that they’re making a joke.

          Maybe you enjoy acting puritanical and holier-than-thou. Or maybe you’re just naturally quite cynical and you’re assuming the worst in people. Either way it’s not very kind.

          • inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.worldEnglish
            15·
            8 个月前

            Maybe you enjoy acting puritanical and holier-than-thou

            Honestly, right back at yeah. Calling me a prude is just your way of playing dumb about the situation. Your “holier than thou” is “understanding a joke more than thou”.

            That they’re making a joke

            The joke is that their asking. “Because of the implication” and “one million dollars” are over the top because you’re not holding the world ransom and you aren’t planning to pressure someone into sex. You use those in situation where it doesn’t apply and that’s the humor.

            But clicking a link is absolutely within the realm of possibility. Like, read the damn article. Lots of people were using the site/app, people here were asking for the same reason. Whitewashing it through pop culture doesn’t change that they are literally asking for the link.

            It’s naive to think that anonymous users on lemmy would somehow never deep fake, nor pursue the content. My comment was to shame those tempted to do so, if you wish to think me unkind for that, so be it.

              • inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.worldEnglish
                14·
                8 个月前

                As I’ve said so many times, it’s not a joke if you are literally asking. If you are in a boat and tell your GF that she shouldn’t say no to you because of the implication, then that’s not a joke. And if you come to a thread about banned deep fake sites and ask for the link it’s not a joke.Even Dennis himself hides behind this logic that “obviously she is in no danger”, but that ignores the real threats women have to live with every day. Women don’t get to assume that every implication rape threat is a joke because the risk is too great, it always going to be real to the subject without power.

                You already admitted in a different comment that some of the people here were looking for a link. So why exactly are you so upset at me? Is your right to assume it’d always a joke out ranked by my concern at yet another way for women to be sexually harassed? Before it was simply any woman who posted nudes online had to know it would be online forever. But now any woman who has ever posted, or hell even went outside where a camera was now runs the risk of her nudes being posted?

                But I guess you feeling hurt over “jokes” is the real problem?!? Like seriously, let it tf go. The lame jokes don’t need to be defended and I’m not the jolly joy villian you are making me out to be.

                • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  4·
                  8 个月前

                  Jesus Christ you’re even complaining about the joke being performed by an actor in a TV show now. You need help.

    • Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      124·
      8 个月前

      What about those of us who think deep fakes are no different than someone drawing a bad fan porno fiction?

      • chakan2@lemmy.worldEnglish
        51·
        8 个月前

        I’d point you to the space episode of Black Mirror.

        Personally, don’t know. I’m pretty liberal and I’d be flattered if someone had deep fake nudes of me.

        But I understand the counter argument.

        It’s a weird moral conundrum.

      • inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.worldEnglish
        25·
        8 个月前

        The scale and ease of use is the real problem. Anyone who would draw pictures of women they know naked to jerk off to is obviously a creep. But that’s a creep who had to spend years of their lives practicing to draw realistic bodies. Not literally any person who happens to have a folder full of their Facebook friends.

        Like roll the clock back and pretend this is about the dangers of cars running people over. When there is only a couple cars out there it’s easy to say “But what about the horses that run people over”, but fast forward to today and death by auto wildly outranks death by horse. Horses and car deaths are still a problem, but citing horses as to why car deaths aren’t so bad is ludicrous, disengenerous and asinine

        Two things can be a problem, but easily accessible deep faking by anyone with a boner and a spare minute is not the same to someone spending hours over a suacy oil painting.

        • Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          93·
          8 个月前

          To me it’s not about empathy, it’s about doing what you want as long as your not harming anyone.

          And I believe if I draw some picture of (let’s say you) and keep it to myself (or with those who consented to seeing said drawing), there is nothing wrong with that.

          I doubt you would agree though.

          Edit: for future readers, please note that responding to a logic argument with saying “what about empathy”, is actually the logical fallacy “appeal to emotion”.

          Downvote away if you like.

          • gap_betweenus@lemmy.worldEnglish
            63·
            8 个月前

            And I believe if I draw some picture of (let’s say you) and keep it to myself (or with those who consented to seeing said drawing), there is nothing wrong with that.

            Sure. But that’s not what happens with deepfake porn sites? They are public.

            • Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              32·
              8 个月前

              Sure. But that’s not what happens with deepfake porn sites? They are public.

              Wouldn’t a content warning take care of that? As long as every user visiting knows they are consenting to see “bad porn drawings”, it’s still the situation I originally described.

              • gap_betweenus@lemmy.worldEnglish
                27·
                8 个月前

                Sure, what ever helps you masturbate. But again - you can also have empathy with people who it has an effect on, listen to why and how and masturbate to all the other porn out there. But you wont since you lack basic empathy or maybe the whole hurting people is what gets you off in the first place. Not judging.

                • Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                  71·
                  8 个月前

                  But you wont since you lack basic empathy

                  Don’t know where I claimed this or implied this.

                  Idk how you could possibly know or judge that someone has or doesn’t have empathy for other human beings while discussing personal freedoms that don’t affect others.

                  I guess strawman is the only way to respond to simple logic of “if your actions don’t hurt anyone, it’s fine”

                  I’m good with ending this convo here, have a nice day.

      • Woozythebear@lemmy.worldEnglish
        17·
        8 个月前

        It’s not about what you think, if a future employeer doing extensive checks on you thinks it’s real then that can have real world consequences for you.

        Also you are thinking about deepfakes of today and not the deepfakes of 5 years from now or 10 years from now. It will get to a point where no one will be able to tell if they are fake or real.

  • madcaesar@lemmy.worldEnglish
    216·
    8 个月前

    The UK populace is showing us that there are other peoples, European peoples, just as stupid as Americans! We are all one people 🤗

  • ugjka@lemmy.worldEnglish
    8·
    8 个月前

    Is this actual IP ban at ISP level or just the usual dns blocking that can be bypassed with cloudflare dns or something similar

      • ugjka@lemmy.worldEnglish
        14·
        8 个月前

        Oh is see it is the porn site itself blocking the uk visitors, not the uk govt doing fancy blocking. Why people keep posting paywalled shit, i can’t read

        • abhibeckert@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          8 个月前

          Oh is see it is the porn site itself blocking the uk visitors

          Sure. A little more to it than that though.

          AFAIK the UK most likely said “this content is illegal, if you don’t remove it, we’ll go all Kim Dotcom on your ass” and it’s entirely up to the website operator how they want to respond to that. They could fight it like Kim did… might not end well though.

          Any large website with user uploaded content receives notices like that routinely (including Lemmy) and most of them respond by deleting the content itself, because it’s usually pretty nasty shit or else it wouldn’t have got the feds attention. It’s treated the same as malware/spam/etc.

          For whatever reason, these ones chose to take the entire website offline if necessary.

  • bykdd@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    82·
    8 个月前

    i think its mrdeepfakes.but it has too many fake web addresses.and dont know which one is real.

  • randon31415@lemmy.worldEnglish
    93·
    8 个月前

    I am just wondering if they are referring to citivai, which tries really hard to be seen as an art and base model/lora site.

    • CrayonRosary@lemmy.worldEnglish
      91·
      8 个月前

      AI generated images aren’t “deep fakes”. Deep fakes came out a long time before image gen did. You take an existing movie and swap out just the face.

      • casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        1·
        8 个月前

        Mmmmmm some of the models on CivitAI, with the right workflows, could effectively create the most versatile “deep fakes” possible. You can put someone’s face on a blank canvas and tell a model specifically trained for realistic pornography to paint a whole scene around the face. The only advantage here is that doing that is kinda pointless when you can just generate any random face to match your specifications. So ultimately much less harmful so long as the user isn’t obsessing over representing a distinct living person.

        Also, these are primarily still images. Some animation models exist, but that process is a lot more hit-and-miss. Overall though, I’d argue this whole use case is significantly less damaging than deep fakes due to principals.

      • kaosof@lemmy.worldEnglish
        24·
        8 个月前

        Porn fakes are old news, yes - but what the post you replied to is talking about is “deep learning” (remember that, before the great deluge of “AI”?) fakes, which to some extent either uses generative networks to swap out or alter the face/body, or straight up generate simulacra graphics/video, as opposed to a human doing for the most part comparatively bad hack jobs with multiple sources as in the past.

  • foggy@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2826·
    8 个月前

    Oh my goodness pornographic deep fakes that’s awful. Where would these awful people go to share such awful things?

  • Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    49·
    8 个月前

    4Chan’s deepfake communities are driven by the potential to offend people. Each other, mostly, but offending celebrities, officials and VIPs is worth big digits.

    The fappening (famous people getting private pictures leaked to the internet public) was only escalated by threats of state action.

    The alt-right thrives on being noticed and hated.