Senator Dianne Feinstein’s career was filled with firsts, including first woman mayor of San Francisco and one of two of the first women elected to the U.S. Senate from California.

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    Not to celebrate her death, but fucking finally. The woman was literally older than the Golden Gate Bridge and had no business being in government at her age. She should’ve retired with some dignity decades ago.

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      The woman was literally older than the Golden Gate Bridge

      I was about to mock you for being hyperbolic but then looked it up. She was born a few months after construction started in 1933, and the bridge opened in 1937. So she was literally older than the bridge.

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    I don’t understand why not retire. She held on to that seat till the bitter end, for what?

    She could have had time with her family and we could have had a seamless replacement. Instead, she got to die at work (basically) and there is a hole in representation right as the government is about to shut down.

    I wonder how this will impact the gov shutdown results

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      I don’t think she had full control of her faculties near the end. Her handlers and power of attorney should have forced her to retire but they didn’t.

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        Yeah, she’s been clearly a barely functioning wreck, propped up by people who needed her power. It was quite sad.

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        The party wanted it controlled, prop her up till a moderate could be appointed, because a progressive can win Cali.

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            This is the DNC we’re talking about. They don’t want folk too progressive. They want neoliberal moderates.

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            For Cali?

            Yeah…

            But regardless, the best thing for Cali that she’s gone, is they get a fucking choice in who replaces her. The party “picking” someone to hold that seat for the next couple decades and be more Conservative than Cali voters should be an obvious problem.

            But for some reason I doubt anyone will be able to explain that to you in a way you understand…

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              Gavin Newsome has gone on record stating he’s going to pick a placeholder to keep the seat warm instead of one of the major contenders for the seat, like Schiff.

              And I don’t see why you’re being a rude asshole. If you want, you can speak like an adult and we can have a decent conversation. But if you insist on being a prick, then I can just start insulting you right back if you prefer.

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                Gavin Newsome has gone on record stating he’s going to pick a placeholder to keep the seat warm instead of one of the major contenders for the seat, like Schiff.

                Because in all likelihood he’s going to run for it…

                It’s not altruism, it’s selfishness.

                And I’m not even getting into the rest of what he said that made his statement problematic.

                But calling someone rude for being sarcastic and then going on a rant with personal insults…

                Yeah, you said like a neoliberal bud. Which explains why you don’t see any issues with what Newsome is doing

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                  Dude, you heavily implied I was an idiot. All because I came into this not having assumed the conclusion that Gavin Newsome is some evil, power mad puppet master.

                  You fucking people in the Always Online Lefty Left can be just so goddamn insufferable. It’s like you’re absolutely committed to ensuring that no one can reasonably talk to someone who has a mildly divergent opinion. God, imagine being such a tool that you can’t be comfortable in a political coalition with someone as progressive as Newsome. How the fuck do you clowns propose to win an election when you’re running around pretending he and anyone he agrees with is a “neoliberal”

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        Her handlers were enjoying making all the decisions and running her Senate office for her, wheeling her around and playing weekend at Bernie’s. I’d say it was abuse but tbh it’s what she deserved and probably what she wanted anyway.

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      Nancy Pelosi wants someone to replace her, Gavin Newsom wants someone else. Nancy Pelosi wanted her to stay in office until the next election.

      It’s all just a game to these kinds of people.

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        Newsom has been clear that he’s appointing someone as a placeholder so as not to interfere in next year’s Senate race by giving one of the actual contenders (Schiff, Porter, or Lee) the advantage of incumbency. But I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi, being Nancy Pelosi, would prefer the Party put their finger on the scale for the candidate leadership wants (which is probably 77 year-old Barabra Lee)

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          Schiff, Porter, or Lee

          Aren’t they all in the House right now? Appointing one of them is a mixed bag, because it also leaves their House seat vacant until a special election is held, and Democrats need every vote they can get there. House seats can’t be filled with temporary appointments like Senate seats can.

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          Pelosi wants Adam Schiff. Newsom stated he wants a black woman (bc ofc he cares about identity politics) in the interim, likely Lee. Pelosi doesn’t want Lee since she’s more progressive than Schiff.

          The temporary choice will have a massive leg up as an incumbent in the next election.

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            He wants a black woman in the seat because despite making up 15% of the population, there are zero black women in the senate. Why wouldn’t they deserve representation in our senate?

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              Race and gender should be irrelevant in politics. The only thing that should matter in the end are policies, since that is what affects the constituency.

              Race and gender now are used as distractions to make people think that someone is more progressive than they really are.

              You can still be corrupt if you are a black woman.

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                This viewpoint is simplistic to the point of losing all sense. As another commenter pointed out, representation is the entire point of a republic. Countries have split and wars have been fought over this exact point. Hell, the United States only exists at all because of it.

                Race and gender start to matter as soon as they become significant factors in our laws and that has been a constant from day one. I don’t care how much you think you know, you do not fully understand the perspective of someone with a radically different life than your own, because of what they have faced due to their race, gender, or any other distinguishing factor. They deserve representation so that their perspective is heard and factored into the laws that govern them.

                This is the basis of what a republic is. You can’t take race and gender out. You can only over represent your own and ignore others while patting yourself on the back like you solved it. It’s intellectual, moral, and legal cowardice.

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                  It’s a fair point to say race/gender aren’t the most important type of representation. There’s a whole lot of white men in Congress, and as a white man I don’t feel particularly “represented” by Tuberville or Gaetz

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                  Yes, and race and gender don’t play a factor in the policies that are voted for.

                  You take money from big donors? You will represent those big donors regardless of race, gender, etc.

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      Others have touched on the political machinations aspect.

      But a bigger, arguably “real”, reason, is that replacing Feinstein is largely trivial. Democrat from a (kind of) Democratic state. But getting said replacement approved on various committees, some of which are republican controlled, becomes the big mess. Which leads to more dysfunction and power stealing and less ability to even discuss if a vote should occur on something.

      It is similar to the RBG issue. She should have stepped down YEARS before she died. She didn’t. And by the time people realized “yo, your ass is old and kind of stupid” it was too late because republicans would have just stalled until they could replace her with someone they wanted… which they did.

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      Senators don’t work that much. She had plenty of time with her family. She didn’t retire because she made lots of money being a centrist senator in a safe seat with enough seniority to do whatever she wanted.

      This won’t impact the shutdown at all, since the House republicans want a shutdown.

      Now Newsom will appoint a moderate black woman who will provide the optics without causing chaos. You might think that sounds cynical, but that’s exactly what Newsom already promised to do.

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      Because of her senority, she was one of the leaders of the party. I agree these elderly politicians need to retire, but that means at best they get replaced by a freshman senator of the same party with no political power. It’s the same reason why McConnell hasn’t retired even though he can’t finish a speech without zonking out and being whisked away by his handlers.

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      You mention family and smoother governance, but to some people their work connections are more important to them than their families and she could have thought that resigning would have been less smooth than trying to finish out the term.

      Those things are possible, but I really think that her identity was being a senator and she didn’t want to give that up.

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        …her identity was being a senator and she didn’t want to give that up.

        Fuck her then. It’s the US Senate, not daddy’s law firm. No one should be in the Senate just because it makes them feel important. The job is too important for that.

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    Sorry, to be callous, but good riddance. You should hear what Jello Biafra has to say about the time Feinstein was Mayor of San Francisco:

    Jello Biafra: Quentin Kopp was actually very jovial, friendly, kind of a character. He and Feinstein had been on the Board Of Supervisors, but when George Moscone and Harvey Milk were assassinated Feinstein was appointed as Acting Mayor. She ran the city with an iron fist, and the police were completely out of control, which she seemed to get off on. I have never been very fond of her, and any grief I can cause that creature, I’m happy to oblige. But that wasn’t why I ran for Mayor. It was more like: wouldn’t this be a great prank?

    Jello Biafra: I had some pretty interesting proposals. Making businessmen wear clown suits was the one the media seized on, but there was a lot more to it than they realised. It was my response to Frankenfeinstein [Feinstein] saying she was going to “clean up” Market Street, by which she meant throwing the homeless out of all the vacant buildings.

    https://www.loudersound.com/features/clown-suits-and-chaos-what-happened-when-jello-biafra-ran-for-mayor-of-san-francisco

    In another occasion, he called her the most evil person he’d ever met.

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        Governments across the world need to effectively age down. It’s ridiculous that those old clowns who aren’t even affected by the consequences of their actions can just continue to do this shit. Yeah, they get voted in, but that’s because of the aging populations of so many countries being such a majority while most of those who are going to be affected don’t even have a legal say in the matter, since they can’t vote themselves. Millennials got already fucked over repeatedly through politics in the past decades and now Gen Z has to face the same bullshit. People will just further radicalize if they don’t address this.

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        God what a cunt. Who argues with children? Just lie to them like every other politician.

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        She’s arguing with children about a piece of legislation, not climate change. I’m also arguing with children.

        “Sweetheart, you’re obviously sharp, so you should learn this early: you’re being used as a political tool”

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      We need a complete overhaul of our political party system.

      Both parties decided that seniority = power, and if you’ll always have more next year, it’s never a good time to step aside.

      With a “bonus” that younger generations never get the experience till they’re also old as shit. The parties have no reason to change, because they’re ran by the most senior people.

      Parties have far too much influence considering they’re not officially part of the government. And the current state of shit is why a lot of founding fathers were against them. I think Jefferson or Franklin wanted to explicitly forbade them

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      I think the reason why US went with officials can still “serve” even dead is to avoid political killings (or to avoid a loophole in “justice system”, just like mitch mcconnell who is probably acting having a seizure on his live speeches to avoid heavy charges because he knows the fed knows he has a huge role with trump shenanigans annnnnd unfortunately, it is challenging to press charges against persons who has “mental” illness and stroke can be considered as one).

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    Yeah that was like 30 years overdue. She’s not an “icon for women in politics”, she’s an obstructionist sack of shit whose stubbornness left her own constituents with nothing to hope for other than her death.

    GTFO before you become useless.

    Good riddance.

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    I feel bad that she spent her final few years Weekend At Bernie’s-ing for her staff instead of getting to retire + relax a bit.

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      Dementia patients rarely admit they have dementia, even when they struggle to put a full sentence together. It’s depressing to watch.

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          Look at Trump’s current unhinged nonsense on his little twitter clone. In the last two years, it’s gotten progressively worse.

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            All you have to do is look up an interview with him in the early 2000s. He was still a self absorbed asshole, but at least he could form complete sentences.

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        This is my grandma. She got tested a few years ago, but refused to tell anyone the results. It’s so sad. Now then though my mom wants to move she’s stuck taking care of her and grandpa.

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      Watching my parents age, now into their 80s, they’re only just now starting to admit that, maybe, they’re not as smart, agile, and capable as ever. Chronic kidney disease, COPD, metastatic cancers… No blatant signs of dementia, but it’s a struggle to explain new concepts or devices to them. I think it’s just hard for people who’ve been strong, independent people all their lives to accommodate a world in which they can’t carry 25 pounds or deviate from habits engrained over 20 years. It’s got to be even harder for a politician or oligarch surrounded by sycophants. Harder still when the brain loses its capacity for logic.

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        Aging sucks… that’s why I plan to Kurt Cobain at 50. There is nothing good about being old. Only the healthcare Oligarchs benefit.

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          50’s fine, as long as you haven’t really abused your body or lost the health lottery. Can’t speak from experience, but 60 looks OK for the most part, although you’ll probably learn your doctor’s name around then. 70 is my current schedule.

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    Feinstein dies in office, Carter enters month 9 of hospice surrounded by family. I know which way I would want.

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            How so? He had a Democratic majority in Congress his entire term. Filibuster wasn’t as widespread as it is now.

            He micromanaged his staff, and never got a good grip on the sausage making process in Washington. He was also more in bed with Evangelicals than people notice today. His sister is a pretty big reason why Evangelicals are so politically active these days.

            He’s a pretty great human being all round. He sucked as President, and it has little to do with the GOP.

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              He had a Democratic majority in Congress

              Bruh…

              The same shit that happens today, happened back then too.

              When Rs have a majority, they go nuts and pass all types of shit.

              When Ds have a majority, there’s always X number of Dems willing to take the publicity hit to oppose progress. Where X equals the amount of majority they have.

              Like, we got 52 D senators, 3 won’t vote. We have 57, 8 won’t. If we had 75, 26 won’t.

              You never realized how big of a coincidence it is that there’s always enough to stop progress? It’s because there’s a shit ton that are oppose it, they just won’t say it because then they get replaced.

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                That’s not what was going on here. He had no idea how to negotiate with his own party. He micromanaged to the point that he insisted on approving use of the White House tennis court for the first 6 months in office. He could never let go of petty details, and it kept him from prioritizing important decisions.

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    May all the 80+ year old senators and congress members take note at how many people are celebrating Feinstein’s death today.

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    This just in: It appears that while Laying in State, the deceased senator was seen rising from her coffin and returning to her seat. Sources in her office say this is a sign she has successfully completed her ritual to transform herself into a Lich.