Can’t escape AI slop projects from meat proxies man. Every single open source project smells like Claude Code recently. Sad times.
I’d hate Rust, but Lunduke hates Rust because trans people write in Rust, so I like Rust just to piss off Lunduke’s homophobic ass
I don’t know why people would hate rust. It is a fast, memory safe language. There is nothing wrong with it in itself. Its just that the fact it is significantly easier catch mistakes as it usually won’t compile if there is a problem, which makes it good for AI to use as it is harder to screw up long term.
The hate is at least partly because there is and has always been a holy war over programming languages. Your choice of programming language greatly affects me. The software you write in language A (usually) can’t interoperate well with the software I write in language B. You end up with duplication of effort and many implementations of a thing, one for each language, usually more than one, with differences between them that makes things complicated. You have more choices when there are more languages, adding complexity to the making of software. I would say Rust gets the brunt of the hate because it’s new, but in 2026 that’s not really true anymore.
I don’t hate Rust, but I do get annoyed by and suspicious of the evangelism for it I often see. This is by no means unique to Rust but it does seem to be seeing a very aggressive push even into trying to fix/replace tried and tested things that aren’t broken. It has that feeling of aggressively taking everything over.
not just evangelism but the general weird culture around it, i feel like it’s gotten partially absorbed into the crypto/linkedin sphere where people just constantly post technobabble-filled affirmations to show they’re part of the group.
Lunduke just hates it because he thinks it’s “woke”
Kids these days with their woke (checks notes) programming languages.
Fair
it’s funny to see people like him get butthurt about LGBTQ+ people existing
A month!? A lot of these fuckers pop up just over the weekend, and then are never heard from again.
Vibe coded garbage.
It’s way worse when they don’t feel like they have to disclose that it’s slop.
Rust really has a reputation. Not only it is associated with slop and snobbery (slobbery?), but also with efforts to steal skill and capability from the community by “rewrite it in Rust”-ing FOSS projects into projects with corporate-friendly licenses that enable wholesale project theft and enshittification.
Can you explain this? Rust is a programming language, so what do “corporate-friendly licenses” have to do with what programming language somebody is using?
This is probably a reference to (canonical?) Rewriting gnu coreutils in rust and changing the license from GPL to MIT
Not an ai shill but I think it’s fine that people use ai to make foss. You have no obligation to use it. And I am pretty sure that 80% of users with negative comments would not be able to program software any better i.e. more secure and fewer bugs. Ai made me a driver for a label printer to run on Linux. Code looks fine to me when I skimmed through it although I am by no means a pro programmer. I shared this on github. Shoot me!
Ai usage is not black and white.
yeah no sorry, you don’t just get to conveniently ignore all the systematic problems with AI usage.
AI datacentres are displacing people, deforesting huges swathes of land, placing massive loads on electrical grids which makes electricity more expensive and encourages more fossil fuel usage, using shitloads of water for cooling; and AI is replacing workers, sneakily influencing users, and people offloading cognitive effort onto it results in their skills atrophying and code becoming unmaintainable.
Using AI to write code is like always buying fast food: it’s bad for you, bad for the environment, fucking expensive, and means you never learn how to actually cook your own food.
I shared this on github
Why bother? Everyone can have Claude pump it out for themselves if they want.
The problem we have with it is that if you rely on AI too much, you deskill the abilities you have. Doctors who have used AI to detect cancer then became worse at identifying cancer on their own without AI.
If you rely on it too much and don’t just code by yourself, you’re going to lose the ability. This is in science, if you don’t use the neurons on your head, your brain will begin pruning it to save energy. This is called synaptic pruning. You make yourself dumber.
How is someone using ai to code a meat proxy? The person guiding the AI is the one with the idea?
I thought meat proxy is someone that uses AI to think , asking it everything and then just regurgitating that instead of coming up with their own thoughts or ideas.
How is someone using chef to cook a pizza a customer? The person guiding the chef is the one with the idea?
I think a more appropriate analogy would be using a laser cutter to cut pieces of wood from a design you came up with. You used a tool to make something, without the tool you would not have the knowledge to make all the precise cuts by hand.
Your analogy is comparing ai to a human, when it should be considered as a tool.
Hold on, the AI is generating my response to you so I don’t have to think for myself.
Not sure that’s a good analogy…
You’re right, it’s a great analogy. I fucking nailed it because I’m awesome.
“I built”
It’s a stone, Luigi. You didn’t make it
I’ve made an open source hello world calendar app in a month in Rust. This language is so hard to understand for me, and I wrote C code for microcontrollers for a living some days of my life… Just can’t wrap my head around it.
Guess I’ll have to go buy socks and take HRT to finally be able to learn Rust.
Just keep going, the socks and HRT are a random byproduct, not a necessity.
Its just loot that drops when you level up, trust the plan
I wonder how the rustaceans feel about their language being associated with slop.
I’m a professional software engineer writing Rust for many years now.
Honestly, I am very happy that AI is using Rust. Much better that AI uses Rust than Python! If you think AI written Rust is bad, you have no idea how sloppy AI written Python is.
Rust is a great language. Turns out the same stuff that makes it great for humans also makes it great for agents. This is not a bad thing, this is a win-win.
Historically, Rust’s biggest disadvantage has been how hard the language is to write and how much you sometimes need to fight the compiler. This disadvantage is quite effectively mitigated by AI, since you can let the AI fight the compiler and write most of the code. So you get all the advantages that Rust brings with basically none of the downsides.
I’m just happy that Rust was invented before LLMs. If Rust did not exist before LLMs, the code the AIs would be writing would be a lot worse.
Hope that answers it.
It just shows how safe the language is, LLMs have to rely on Rust to prevent all the memory bugs. Same for proof assistants
It does make me sad that Rust is getting so strongly associated with slop. Personally I find it a really fun language to actually program in. The language being expression-based is actually quite handy, and is a concept I wish existed in other languages too. But it is also unfortunately the most sensible language for vibe-coding too because of the performance and guardrails.
Removed by mod
The guardrails are helpful for humans as well. Its not mindless - its the difference between an obvious compiler error and a silent use after free that becomes a security vulnerability.
Removed by mod
Yeah well you can thank rust tools that are replacing coreutils and somehow finding their way as defaults. Eza is a prime example. Oh pretty icons but you can’t handle ls -larth, so glad you are in rust though. Rust has had a reputation before the slop.
Eza isn’t a reimplementation… it’s its own program. The name of the binary is also
ezanotls. What OS are you using that uses eza instead of ls? I have both installed and havelsaliased toezabecause I find the coloured output to be easier to read (much like syntax-highlighted code is easier to read), but I’ve never seen eza pre-installed on a system, not does it conflict with ls. Package managers let you install both. They’re different programs.you’re not gonna get a reply to these questions, because they installed eza themself and also, separately, heard about ubuntu adopting the uutils reimplementations of coreutils, which of course does not include eza.
“Nothing leaves your device!”
“Curious to know what others think!”
Point out any issues or changes you’d make!
(So I can feed them into my prompt and pretend I knew what you were talking about)
Which would you pick: a SAAS option, or open source vibe coded option? This is a hypothetical, so none of the “neither” crap, just which one are you more likely to pick first.
In what world are the only options SAAS or vibe coded? Maybe at that point I don’t need that program.
If it is a hypothetical then I would pick the “neither option crap,” you do not get to control my choices
“I can reply whatever I want” that’s a horrible mindset for a forum
why
because it’s more productive for replies to be relevant to the thing they are replying to? That’s just normal social interaction
why the need to be productive? genuinely curious
It’s what people generally prefer. And you seem to as well, considering how your latest responses not been complete nonsense
Proprietary is a deal breaker (and SaaSS is a subset of that), so if the only option is slop then I guess I have to use slop.
But, realistically, neither. I haven’t found a situation so far in which the only viable option is vibe coded.
the rise of AI has taught me that simply not using computers is way more viable than i thought.
I literally learned to crochet because i feel existential dread and need more practical skills so i’m not at risk of computers suddenly becoming unusable and my life being in tatters… Being able to make things is actually so fucking comforting, it’s a great way to pass time too.
I once considered it a privilege to be able to program in rust. Even before, rust code can be quite terse
With LLMs now, I see code that gives my brain an anneurism and programming anti patterns that I didn’t know existed
Although I understand why LLMs prefer rust safety guarantees that make it difficult to shoot itself on the foot
Don’t forget Claude in the contributor list!
Surprisingly not a red flag, it can be used to sabotage potential sloppers.
… is an indication of tooling, not a scarlet letter that AI contributed to the source code. A dev can include AGENTS.md to support automated maintenance (pre-commit hooks, config scripts, Github actions) without making AI part of the software. Does Makefile mean GNU Make wrote your program?
“AI. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means”
Som project intetionally poison it. TouchHLE still does it afaik.
I don’t understand why people do that when writing rust by yourself is so much fun!
Fun?
Blink twice if you’re in danger
I remember people hating on calculators, then computers, then the Internet. It’s going to destroy people’s ability to think on their own. Man were they wrong
I kinda feel like they were right.
