256 GB model: $1,059 USD
1TB model: $1,299 USD
Preorder list randomized, goes out Sept 17th
Power supply not included, costs $29 (same as Steam Deck power supply)
3rd party addon available for color passthrough, Arcturus Vision Camera, $149
As a 1990s kid, I’m still stubbornly waiting for VR to be the big spinny thing you get into like Pierce Brosnan.
I love to hate to love that film. The Stephen King short story it was based on was about a man who saw that his landscaper was working in league with a demon and ended up being hunted for his discovery. The movie was an absolute assault of mid-nineties cyber-slop. VR! SGI CG! Hollywood OS! Gyroscopes are cool! But, one of the characters did have a lawnmower. Fucking brilliant. Did you know that Stephen King sued the movie makers to keep his name off the project, twice, and won, also twice? Love it.
Damn it.
I want to remember people, that I was right and Tyler McVicker was wrong. He predicted a launch price of 1500 Dollars. There were entire articles and discussions in the web around that prediction: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/112988/the-steam-frame-could-be-priced-at-dollars1500-at-launch-according-to-insider/index.html and linked to Lemmy post for discussions: https://lemmy.ml/post/51014971 I just find it fun to see and read what people expected, and then what reality is.
I quote myself:
BTW the article is based off Tyler McVicker’s prediction. He was never good at predicting…
how come you have gone back with your account to lemmy.ml?
I actually don’t understand your question. My current account https://lemmy.ml/u/thingsiplay is the last and newest one I created. Before that, I had an account at beehaw instance. I had disagreed with a deletion of my reply, just because they didn’t like it (or even understood). No toxicity was involved. … aand before that I also had an account on kbin, but switched over to Lemmy, because kbin seems to be dead. I didn’t check in years.
Unless I misunderstood your question.
I’m asking because this account of yours is just 8 months old, but I have seen you around for a long time. also I think you had more upvotes counted in voyager
This is my only account I am using, since I abandoned my previous main account with same name and icon. My previous account was on beehaw instance at https://beehaw.org/u/thingsiplay , joined 3 years ago. I left that place because I disagree with moderation and switched to lemmy.ml. I do not use multiple accounts at the same time, BTW, always a single main account.
Just curious why .ml?
You mean why this instance specifically? I looked around and there was a few candidates. For one, I wanted a big one with many people. One of the reasons to is, so the instance seems to be lively and won’t close too soon. Because I don’t want another kbin situation. I don’t want want that blocks many instances or get blocked by many (besides the extremes off course).
One that is not tooo much opinionated like beehaw, because I don’t want that anymore. I looked into the rules, and some instances had bad rules, don’t remember details. It’s even run by the Lemmy’s developers themselves. Not sure if that is a good thing, but it ensures a bit of longevity I think. And first class support and updates.
Other than that, I don’t remember too many details. Why you guys chose the instance you chose?
One of the reasons to is, so the instance seems to be lively and won’t close too soon. Because I don’t want another kbin situation. I don’t want want that blocks many instances or get blocked by many (besides the extremes off course).
there is a movement to unsubscribe from .ml communities and to block it from servers, because of the way the admins and their group behave, politically and otherwise. sometimes if an admin bans you from a community for your different opinion, they choose a not fitting rule in the ban message, and go on to ban you from all the other communities where they are a moderator. it is not rare.
when I registered I did not have a particular reason to choose this one, but I’m happy with it, would recommend. slrpnk is also nice. lemmy.world not so much despite the popularity. Otherwise I might try a piefed instance, for the merged crosspost comments and the ability to access Mastodon content
.ml has a reputation of hosting lots of tankies, which is why some people have the whole instance banned, I chose sopuli because low ping
Cheaper than expected given the economic hellscape, still more than the Index. Oh well. Glad they are attempting to prevent scalping, sad that it means that there’s a random draw to be able to buy them. Still trying to buy one. I figure the 256GB model will be entirely fine, especially with the SD card expansion slot. Pity that you can’t upgrade the storage like the Deck, but oh well.
My intended use case is 100% streaming from my PC so the fixed/low storage doesn’t even bother me.
According to the Gamers Nexus review, playing locally on the Frame (i.e. not streaming) can reduce latency by 15-20ms. That’s actually noticable
Which makes sense, but the sort of games I play in VR are not going to be supported on local play. I play a lot of flight/space/driving sims with additional controllers light flight sticks, yokes, and steering wheels.
Less than the index once you account for inflation.
The index would cost 1300$ in today’s money, give or take.
Unless you’re using it entirely as stand alone I’m not certain of needing the 1TB version truthfully.
Nice to see you finally being honest.
Stalker vibes much?
To be fair theres like 12 of us on Lemmy
12 and Richard, but he’s not included in the official count because FUCK YOU, RICHARD…
There are dozen
sof us!dozen*
Hence the strike through markup
I like your shirt today but yesterday’s was fine too.
Well, I thought it was funny.
Why does Satan’s cum have maggots in it? Does bro not clean his dick?
Tbh, it’s Satan’s partner’s cum. The grammar suggests that Satan is the one letting loose the cumfart, implying he’s the bottom
So, Trump isn’t washing his teeny-tiny peener?
Extra protein for their sex slaves.
Also, it is hell, why would anyone clean anything?
(/¯ ಠ_ಠ)/¯
How tf are you more unhinged than me
10/10 please end my sufferin’
Did you make a new account?
I blocked one of yours because your comments are always rage-bait drivel and I’m not 13 any more so I don’t find the funny:rude ratio good enough to waste my time with you.
Yep, I’d blocked /u/SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world, but it looks like they’re switching to /u/SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.social now.
Cheaper than expected given the economic hellscape
I expect this is why the accessories are so expensive. The ergo kit really should not cost that much, but they may have just increased the price of that so they could keep the base price of the Frame itself lower.
I’m hoping third parties have accessories out by the time it drops. I’d rather buy a boboVR kit at half the cost or something
Valve’s also said they’re considering releasing a strap later on with more adjustments, better speakers, and hot-swappable batteries
I figure the 256GB model will be entirely fine, especially with the SD card expansion slot. Pity that you can’t upgrade the storage like the Deck, but oh well.
For the life of me I cannot imagine that anything running locally on the Frame would need enough bandwidth from storage to not be able to run it off of SD anyway. For anything using the emulation layer, it’s sure to be slow enough where one won’t notice. For anything running ARM native, it’s sure to be simple enough that one won’t notice.
the only use I can thik of for needing the larger storage capacity is for a large number of games that you want to have very short loafing times for, like playing a single round of beat saber.
The price I expected for the main unit, but I’m kinda pissy with them wanting an extra $60 for a few straps. That price seems kinda bullshit.
Not just a few straps but they are required to use all of the features of the controllers.
It also makes it a lot more comfortable on your head. I was considering it until I saw that cash grab nonsense. So, yeah. I’m a little pissy too.
Considering theres not many games and im assuming the bulk of the game devs are going to release a modified apk of their meta quest version, or scale back the PC port so it rubs via fex (less likely IMO)
Most good games on the quest tapped out at around 8-12 gigs, and im assuming that’s what a bulk of people are going to running considering most vr games made games where either made for, or designed for the quest first and foremost.
That and its the same hardware just running through valves version of waydroid which I can only assume is more performant than running a x86 pc game through fex, and using something like fsr to upscale it? Maybe foviated tracking comes in a lot more clutch than I think it will. But I don’t know honestly im just assuming.
Yeah, but think of all the VR porn!
How could I forget the whole reason we as a species probably even tried to make vr.
I don’t get why people say “theres not many games” about VR. Have you looked on Steam?
I have, its still the same games I played like 2-4 years ago now, the only real big change is a lot of games I already own became vr compatible.
I’m sure theres a bunch of small indie games, or racing Sim kind of stuff that got added but just pure quantity isn’t what i mean. Otherwise I would just point at the meta quest store and say look how many clones of gorilla tag theres tons of stuff to play.
At one point we had medal of honor making vr games, and there where active lobbies for many games. We had many many growing YouTube channels dedicated around vr that where growing, and now sit stagnent at around 10k views.
If you are looking for a large back catalog of games then sure steam has a ton and many great titles. But they’re often much shorter experiences, ot lesser of a game. Thats much different from when theres actual momentum going and there’s hype around new releases of games, and people are actually there to make mods or be in lobbies for said games.
I’m not saying this because I’m saying vr sucks or theres only 5 vr games. I’m saying this because I am worried its not going to make a bump like how I wanted. In some other universe the steam frame was sold for 700 USD and everyone rushed to buy one, and devs rushed to make friendslop games for vr and it all kept getting bigger.
Game lobbies and multiplayer in general are not a big concern for me, for both VR and flat games. I can see how if you’re just looking for multiplayer games in VR the options are limited. I have enough to keep me entertained without that and my Index gets regular use still. My kids have several multiplayer games they like in our VR catalog though.
Actually not terrible. Wow.
DOA. Maybe it’s not fair because it’d probably be $700 and in my budget if memory and storage had stayed steady instead of ballooned, but I’m not interested in this or the machine at the prices they are debuting at
Is it because of the inbuild computer?
As someone with a gaming PC already, I’m confused why we want to pay for the headset to have a computer capable of running some small games on its own? Is there a good option for VR with an existing computer?
This is the good option for VR with an existing computer. ‘Good’ being relative
I’m pretty sure they literally talked about this at launch. One of them said “we wish this could have been the price we had for it even a year ago.”
Fuck AI.
Considering everything else they’ve been putting out right now has been selling out quickly despite price increases, it’s probably going to do just fine.
But I for one am also priced out of it, so. 🫠
I’m sure others are interested. $1000 is what I thought it’d cost too.
I wish it was cheaper but I would rather have VR without Meta at the wrong time and not great price than VR with Meta and the right time and great price.
Same here, I did love that the gamers nexus video opened with a comparison of the terms and privacy policy of meta and valve just to show how buying a Quest may be cheaper but it costs a lot more than the money you exchange for it.
I’m happy it’s here and probably will get one down the line. Equally as mad that it’s surely gone up in price thanks to all the AI and other bullshit, not only not costing less than Valve Index (as had been originally rumored, I think), but more.
Super sour about the not included PSU. Hate it about the smartphone market, too.
But as a VR enjoyer, I’m still happy.
Super sour about the not included PSU. Hate it about the smartphone market, too.
Tbh, we’ve collectively been getting so many usb chargers and cables with devices over the years that most people probably don’t need more of them. I’m generally fine with it being an optional accessory so long as 3rd party options work since it reduces E-waste and somewhat reduces the price for people who already have chargers
Super sour about the not included PSU. Hate it about the smartphone market, too.
I have like 3k of these things, so personally I’m very happy to not have to spend another $30 on a worse one that’s just going to get chucked in a drawer anyway.
I feel the same way about smartphones not including chargers. The third-party charger that I already have is likely better than whatever charger comes with the phone, so the one that comes with the phone will just go unused. I understand that manufacturers are not going to “pass the savings onto the consumer” when they don’t include a charger, but at least it doesn’t feel like e-waste. I felt the same way about the headphones that would come with devices for a while. Just a waste that I will never use.
On the other hand, having a stock charger could aid in troubleshooting by offering a baseline of sorts. Being able to say “I can’t do X, even with the stock charger” can go a long way. Without the stock charger, tech support could wonder if maybe your third-party charger is to blame for your issue. The other benefit of included chargers are when the device uses some weird charging technology or something that makes the included charger actually better for that device than the third-party one that I already have.
For me at least I don’t use any of my original usb device chargers. I have a GaN charger with 2 cables by the sofa and one by my desk.
I totally use the 45w charger that came with my steam deck oled. It’s nice. This looks to be the same one.
Whatever they would have added as an PSU and have you pay for it a premium, you can buy for next to nothing online with better features and performance, while not generating a bunch of e-waste if you don’t need one (like me - i doubt they would have added a 100W charger with 2 USB-C ports).
Edit: Just saw they want 39€ for a 45W PSU with a 2.5m cable - go buy something better for cheaper, for real. If you are strapped for cash, this one delivers 100W with one port for under 17€: https://www.amazon.de/PAEBAI-Ladegerät-Netzteil-Pixelbook-ThinkPad-rosa-weiß/
Careful with some very cheap very powerful GaN chargers. The lowest corner cutting ones have really poor components insulation and can burn easily (or toast your very expensive USB device). I have access to the cheapest ones… And i was very lucky that the laptop didn’t fry. I expend more on reputable brands now.
The situation in Europe and Amazon is at least not as bad as when buying directly from China. I myself invested a bit more for a charger with 2 USB ports and 100W, which cost me around 30€ - still cheaper than the one from Valve (I have one of those too, but that one is currently on 18650 Recharge Duty)
Can’t wait to see how much better these get in a decade or two. I still don’t really feel like it’s advanced enough for me to give up on regular screen gaming, but it seems pretty cool.
Needs some games where depth perception is important. Like, american truck simulator is a good start, but maybe construction simulator where you need to operate a digger arm?
Man, I really hate this economy. This AI bubble cannot pop fast enough, but I fear we have at least till the end of this year, possible Q2 of next year to see it happen. Even then, it’s not like it will be instant, and capacity won’t just instantly switch over to normal consumer components. Assuming even more tech idiocy doesn’t happen, we’re still years away from a ramp up to “normal” capacity.
I’m even more scared that the era of personal computing is in it’s last days. The combination of drastic cost increases, and the dominance of corpo-tech working 24/7 to destroy ownership completely, might be too much to overcome.
We’ll see a return to the era of computing similar to the 80’s and early 90’s. Building your own PC will require lots of money and technical skills. Pre-builts will be a distant memory. PC builders will be spoken of in similar terms as HAM radio people are now, hermitic nerds who are hardcore into their ancient, dark, tech wizardry.
but I fear we have at least till the end of this year, possible Q2 of next year to see it happen.
Considering at the start of August, I was already seeing stories that all the fabrication capacity for RAM has been completely spoken for and booked through the end of 2027, I would expect it to keep going quite a bit longer still.
You’re not wrong, but the whole thing is also a bit of a house of cards. If the buyers don’t have the money the contract won’t be fulfillable.
We have a data center planned not too far from my house. It was approved by the city council last December despite a lot of public skepticism. The developers aren’t moving because they don’t have the money. They’re waiting to have someone on contract to lease capacity from them before taking out a loan. In the best case that will simply never happen.
Sure, but with production stuff at scale like that, even if contracts fall through, it doesn’t necessarily mean they’ll be able to switch right over to running consumer RAM down the lines. Unless the AI bubble bursts hard and soon enough for them not to have contracts to fulfill by March, I wouldn’t count on them being able to get meaningful production going during Q2. Switching over from producing one SKU to another can be a crazily time intensive problem on its own, and that’s leaving aside whether they have enough raw materials on hand to keep the lines busy producing those products. If they have some stupid Just in Time inventory system in place, we’ll get to follow their supply lines as we see where new logistical bottlenecks are emerging in the process.
Any word on VR streaming from Linux? I have yet to watch and read most reviews, but I can’t seem to find anything about it being exclusive to Windows like the Short Circuit leak claimed
I can almost guarantee you that if valve doesnt get it working, someone will via moonlight, ALVR, and/or WiVRn.
The amount of work that has gone into the Monado/XRizer/Envision/WayVR stack is phenomenal and gaining momentum.
Pretty much every existing streaming method is complicated and had poor results. Not to mention the lack of foveated streaming.
I am sure there will be third-party solutions working, but will they use foveated streaming? That is a huge selling point of the wireless streaming capabilities of the Steam Frame, but that feature seems to be proprietary to their first-party wireless streaming software. Without it, wireless streaming will be just okay.
Last year’s announcement trailer for Valve‘s new hardware mentioned that Steam Machine would be a great option for streaming games to Steam Frame. So it‘s pretty safe to assume that Linux support for streaming is coming.
It’s safe to assume, but from GN video - it’s not there.
Yes, something that is coming is typically not there yet.
Given how much valve has been advertising running the steam frame with the steam machine if it doesn’t already work now it will be a priority to make it work. I trust valve’s fairly consistent marketing more than a leak
Information seems to be mixed, but it’s looking like it at least works in some cases: https://www.reddit.com/r/virtualreality_linux/comments/1welkhs/steam_frame_confirmed_by_linustechtips_to_not/
I think what’s in question is whether the wifi dongle is widely supported. It might require some manual configuration at first.The wifi dongle was demonstrated via the Steam Machine in the “first look” videos.
It’ll work in Linux.
WiVRn works in Fedora (over flatpak even!) since March this year, and performs better than SteamVR and possibly even Virtual Desktop - on a Quest 2. WayVR provides desktop portal and playspace dragging. Very recent update makes the interface look good and also provides USB Ethernet support for Android headsets (Quest etc.) if you prefer wired
They recently updated it, which seems to have at least improved stability for me. Still can’t get room configuration to run, but I can use default settings fine
Their quick start guide confirms that it does stream from the Steam Machine.
Steam Frame includes a wireless adapater to provide the best quality streaming from your Steam Machine or VR-compatible PC.
Steam Frame: Official Overview and Quick Start Guide (@ 3:40)
Personally I am slightly concerned about their confidence in its performance with the Steam Machine if it wasn’t working by the time reviewers got their hands on it.
As of now it does not work with the Steam Machine, which is kind of embarrassing. Though I expect them to fix that ASAP. Hopefully at least a beta version is available when customers get it.
steamos is a linux distro so presumably already working if its supposed to be able to stream from the steam machine. other distros will likely be within a couple days tops if it doesn’t work out of the box.
I recall it comes with a USB dongle for 6GHz Wifi streaming. That’s most likely going to be supported on Linux
I’ve streamed Steam games from my Linux PC to my Steam Deck. Other than increased resolution and the foveated streaming, it should be the same or similar enough technology to go to the Frame. I would be surprised if it didn’t work. Especially because this “generation” of Steam hardware so far has great interoperability between the Steam Machine and Controller, I would expect them to have thoroughly tested streaming from the Machine to the Frame.
Joined the list for the 1TB. Guess I’ll be selling some CS2 items. If the Jetset AK goes as well I may add well pick up the Vision Camera.
Curious why the 1 tb? What’s your use case? I assume lots of standalone gameplay… but what about the low end snapdragon performance compared to pc streaming?
Just trying to wrap my head around the things.
1tb isn’t all that much these days. Especially considering one of the big selling points of the Frame is “access to the biggest existing library and ecosystem”.
1tb would have been a lot in, say, 2009. But, now, in 2026 (almost two decades later), there are multiple games that won’t even fit on 256gb even if you got the whole 256gb and there wasn’t os or anything.
And considering the thing is basically a pc at this point, there’s a TON more than just vr or flat screen gaming that you’re gonna be able to do on it. And, sure, it has a microsd slot (but no headphone jack, fuck you apple!), but I don’t want to rely on that and would much rather have that as an option down the line, years from now, when things get even bigger.
Guess I’ll be selling some CS2 items.
Back then when Steam Deck launched, my brother purchased the cheapest Deck for about 379 Euros or something like that by selling CS:GO items. That was one of the most impressive things I saw, given he almost never purchased anything (expensive) there.
Ahhhh ehhhhhhhhhh
If I didn’t have a Q3 already maybe. But for $1k I can’t swing it.
Excited to see where all this x86->ARM translation work goes though. And hopefully some new VR games market’s been stale.
The Meta headsets were a no-go for me due to the huge privacy concerns. I’ll gladly pay a premium to have hardware I actually own.
Since this is an ARM device, can we play traditional x86-64 games on ARM64 now? Like, on other hardware besides Steam Frame?
I didn’t try it yet but yes, FEX is open source: https://fex-emu.com/
There are SteamOS builds for several arm64-based handhelds already and they can play many x86-64 games through FEX. Look at Armada OS, which is basically Bazzite for arm64.
Wine has CPU emulation hooks since some time, and now protonGE is split into Arm and x86_64 branches. So yes? I think LTT even tested windows games on Steam Frame and it kinda worked
Ugh, I really hate those bullshit controllers. Index controllers are the best and I feel like I’m just going to use tethered HMDs forever because of it.
They sell a kit for 60 bucks with straps to turn them into the same style of controller as the index.
I saw that but it seems like they’re just hand straps and the grip is still a button instead of capacitive touch, which is exactly why the index is so immersive. It might not be awful but I’m still gonna hold off given the price and battery life. I already have a triple lighthouse setup and wire tethers, so the best bang for my buck would be upgrading my hmd only. Though the index is still solid, so honestly I’ll probably just keep rocking it until it dies.
the grip is still a button instead of capacitive touch
The Frame controllers have full finger tracking. According to reviews, this isn’t very useful without the hand straps, though.
It’s both now. I love the immersion of the capacitive touch but in many games you have to grip the controller like crazy to not drop something (or maybe I’m just weak lol). The button makes that a problem of the past WHILE still retaining the capacitive touch for immersion. I do wish they’d include the straps for free though.
I’m kind of surprised they don’t do hybrid controllers yet. As in the experimental kind used for prosthetics. Combine that with an EEG headset. Sounds like fun to me. Then again setup time would be a pain.
