Yeah, both sides amiright?

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      I loved having people arguing with me and saying “At least my conscience is clear.”

      How’s your conscience now??? Still feeling good about your decision?

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        I loved having people arguing with me and saying “At least my conscience is clear.”

        How’s your conscience now??? Still feeling good about your decision?

        There is a certain set of dumbasses that will say this kind of thing no matter what.

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        They think they get to wipe their hands of it because they “didn’t participate”, refusing to concede that said choice still counts as their participation. Through ignorance, cruelty, and/or privilege, they’ll blame everyone else for the state of the world while refusing to do their part.

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          Howard Zinn - you can’t be neutral on a moving train. The Enlightened Centrists ™ always look like suuuuuch dipshits when they talk about “both sides”.

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      It was the Harris campaign that made the decision to not break from Biden on Israel, at the cost of at least a +6 points gain. Those votes were entirely up for grabs. That’s the fault of the campaign’s calculations to ignore those voters, take them for granted, and instead run to the right with having the most lethal Military and unwaivering support for Israel a year into this genocide. That single policy change would have secured her the swing states needed to win the election. Biden is a Christian Zionist, the genocide and de juro annexation of Palestine is exactly what he wants.

      I voted for Harris and told others to do the same. It’s still on the campaign to earn votes to win. If they took this election seriously, they would have been going after those votes. Blaming voters is just sowing division when we need unity and solidarity to fight against Fascism.

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      Our first matchup tested a Democrat and a Republican who “both agree with Israel’s current approach to the conflict in Gaza”. In this case, the generic candidates tied 44–44. The second matchup saw the same Republican facing a Democrat supporting “an immediate ceasefire and a halt of military aid and arms sales to Israel”. Interestingly, the Democrat led 49–43, with Independents and 2020 non-voters driving the bulk of this shift.

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      In Pennsylvania, 34% of respondents said they would be more likely to vote for the Democratic nominee if the nominee vowed to withhold weapons to Israel, compared to 7% who said they would be less likely. The rest said it would make no difference. In Arizona, 35% said they’d be more likely, while 5% would be less likely. And in Georgia, 39% said they’d be more likely, also compared to 5% who would be less likely.

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      Majorities of Democrats (67%) and Independents (55%) believe the US should either end support for Israel’s war effort or make that support conditional on a ceasefire. Only 8% of Democrats but 42% of Republicans think the US must support Israel unconditionally.

      Republicans and Independents most often point to immigration as one of Biden’s top foreign policy failures. Democrats most often select the US response to the war in Gaza.

      The United States Administration is the one enabling Israel unconditionally. Support for this genocide is bipartisan.

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          How? What does blaming voters accomplish exactly?

          If the Democratic Party is genuinely democratic, then they would respond to public pressure. If the Democratic party is not and instead only beholden to Donor interests, then we all have a much bigger problem where the interests of the American public is not represented.

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      the donors of the Democrats/Republicans are doing a good job keeping the citizens divided and pointing fingers at each other

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        Yeah, no.

        After months of alleged “Genocide Joe” bullshit, they don’t get to shirk themselves of this.

        They were told this was going to happen. They didn’t want to listen.

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          Nothing alleged about Genocide Joe.

          Any vote for Harris or trump was still a vote for the war crimes to continue. The American people never had a say on this issue.

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            And yet, this very article we’re commenting on is about war crimes getting worse.

            Almost like when your options are “bad” or “worse” you shouldn’t vote for “worse.”

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              That sounds like some extortion. Not exactly something I would want to champion or believe to be a viable political platform

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                Blinks

                That… is nothing the fuck like extortion.

                “Vote for me or I’ll release these pictures of you fucking your dog” is extortion.

                “Vote for me because my opponent will make this issue you claim to care about worse” is not.