13% of Democrats agree with Trump on that.
What the actual fuck?
Immigrants are the blood of the US. This fascist bullshit is the poison.
From the “Great American Melting Pot” to this shit in one generation. WTF
If you think this is new, you haven’t paid attention to history.
This is the US. Mutt Nation. What the hell does “pure” or “poisoned” blood mean here?
Look up mud people
This country, possibly your grandfathers or great-grandfathers (and in many cases grandmothes), went to war against Nazis, as did most of the world. There were a few fringe sympathizers, but they weren’t representative of “the greatest generation.”
This shit is a new Nazi wave, and it’s not a continuation of something. It’s a flare-up of an old ugly root. All over the world these shits are gaining ground. New media empowers them.
The idea that the world united against the horrible atrocities of the Nazis is post-war propaganda. Your average person didn’t know anything about what was going on until photos of the camps made their way home as we pushed into Germany itself. Most countries didn’t give a shit about the Nazis until they were on their doorstep. Most people said, “Hitler’s only saying that stuff to get elected. Once he’s in office, he’ll calm down, you’ll see.” And then they said, “Well, if we leave him alone, then he won’t bother us.”
Many people across Europe and North America actually agreed with Hitler’s views about the Jews before “The Final Solution.” Antisemitism was common across Europe and North America, if not the globe. In Mein Kampf, Hitler refers to America as the sisterland across the ocean that shares his values.
The phrase “Make America Great Again” was used by the pro-isolationism political group the America First Committee, who formed in 1940 and dissolved after the attack on Pearl Harbor, who largely opposed support for the UK. And they had over 800,000 members from all different backgrounds (from Democrats and Republicans to communists and anti-communists) with major tones of antisemitism and pro-fascist support amongst its leaders and speakers. They dissolved 4 days after Pearl Harbor and joined the war effort, not to fight the Nazis but to protect the US.
The Nazis were inspired by the treatment of Native Americans when they started their camps, and we had our own camps for Japanese Americans. We hated the Chinese when they came here, and we hated the Irish as well. Most ethnic groups coming to the US settled in communities of their own culture from their homeland. That’s why the culture is so varied here, even across a single state. To quote somebody else, “Racism is as American as apple pie, and some people will see hatred of the first as hatred of the second.”
I remember the days after 9/11, when attacks on black people doubled, attacks on Jews tripled, and Muslim parents were asking their kids if they wanted to change their name to something more American to avoid being bullied. That racism has always been present. It was just often couched in the lie of being edgy jokes or just that one racist uncle at the family party. The biggest differences today are that they’re no longer afraid to say it openly, and the number of young men caught up in the rhetoric of the online fascist pipeline that gives them a target to blame all the problems in their life on. The ironic racist jokes of their teen and childhood years stopped being ironic at some point and became their actual beliefs.
The idea that Nazi sympathisers were a fringe group is an vast oversimplification of history. Yes, America chose to fight against the Nazis, but there were huge racist/eugenist movements at the time that included high-ranking politicians and military personnel. Look up the America First movement for just one example.
I first learned about this from the podcast ULTRA. I kept having to check their sources and do further research, because what they said sounded so wild that I felt I should have already known it. Instead it’s just another example of people not wanting to teach their uncomfortable history like the Tulsa race massacre, Indian residential schools in the US and Canada, the Tuskegee syphilis study, etc, etc, etc.
Also, I’d suggest you learn about the history of Nazi Germay. The Nazis weren’t this huge supermajority of the German population, they just had people in the right positions, took power by force, and the populace went along with it. It’s not hard to see parallels with a lot of events in US history where if things went just a bit different the USA could have become a racist, authoritarian state.
In 2016 they said it couldn’t happen here. They laughed at the idea of trump getting elected. They were shocked when he was elected and racism once again reared its ugly head. In Germany they said it couldn’t happen here and look what happened. Now we have Trump, the racists have come out of the woodwork, project 2025 was revealed and we’re very close to the end of America if we don’t do something.
For reference to my comment: http://rsdb.org/slur/mud_people
Nativism is unfortunately a consistent undercurrent.
Look up the “Know Nothing” movement.
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The US has a growing fascism problem
It does not go away with Trump. I wish democrats would address it instead of pointing at Trump like he’s an aberration
Fascism is the problem. Trump is a very notable symptom, but many others are also to blame for the fascism issue, including some democrats. I believe this fixation with Trump is due to people wanting simple answers to complex problems.
The symptom is on the brink of winning everything.
When you have a 42 °C fever, you focus on the fever before worrying about the infection. Dead people don’t need antibiotics.
That’s funny because we’re almost all immigrants, so I guess we’re all poison?
Ehh, then again there was that whole native genocide thing.
No, no, no, not us. I’m talking about those bad immigrants. You know who I’m talking about …
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He doesn’t LOOK like an immigrant… 🤔
Someone get the family guy skin color chart
I got you
Great work!
Yeah, I guess in their minds it’s preferable to entirely exterminate a local population than to assimilate with them
You’re all immigrants you idiots.
Nuh uh. I was born here. My parents were born here. (/s, of course)
Let’s not go back any further than that because it hurts the argument.
For context, I am 50% Italian, 25% French, 12.5% Irish, and 12.5% English. At least going off what my parents had told me. I never did a DNA test or anything.
It’s been barely 60 years since racism against Italian- and Irish-American individuals really eased up. All based on xenophobia and an anti-Catholic belief. Before that, they may as well have been Black. Or worse, Japanese.
Tons of people alive today that experienced it first hand. Did all the lead in the paint and gasoline make them forget all about it?
Even still today we have to tiptoe around ideas like renaming Columbus Day. On the one hand, he was a massive piece of shit. On the other hand, it’s morphed into the only holiday celebrating Italian-American heritage. I very much agree with the former, but if we are gonna go all-out on St. Patrick’s Day, Italians should have a day too.
Maybe we could make a bigger deal out of St. Joseph. I could really go for a zeppole right about now, but that’s really all I know of the day. It’s a day for a zeppole.
i live in a small town full of old people who incessantly whine about people “moving here and trying to change things” from other parts of the country. while sitting on stolen cherokee land.
among americans there is this weird fucked up notion that we are, and always were, entitled to this land, and no one else is allowed on it. including the people who were living here first. it’s been passed down through generations since the first colonists and still remains, even among democrats. so we hate “other,” but we especially hate them when they move into town. and god fucking forbid they ever speak anything but 'murican
for context, my town still has a confederate statue because the usual “bUt MuH hIsToReEeEeEeEs”
We are indeed, and…we are indeed.
its the 100% venn overlap of racists. america is still pretty full up on people who hate other people for no reason but race
The real racists are the ones calling people racist just because they hate people for no reason but race.
Racists are not a protected group. Its totally fine and important to hate racists
Obvious sarcasm getting down votes …
I was seriously considering adding a /s but I was like nah, that’s lame it should be obvious.
How?
Says the country that is 99% immigrant blood
Yeah the non immigrant blood is the one they spilled
Remember that a horrifying number of people, especially conservatives, are invaluable of caring about - or even noticing - any problem that doesn’t personally impact themselves.
1/3 of Americans are terrible people.
This is why GW Bush and Trump got elected. There is about 30% that will always vote for R.
A comment above would point to those 2 being different: https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/15146574
Compare to George W. Bush, who said:
“We’re also a nation of immigrants, and we must uphold that tradition, which has strengthened our country in so many ways.”
and:
“Some in this country argue that the solution is to — is to deport every illegal immigrant and that any proposal short of this amounts to amnesty. I disagree. It is neither wise nor realistic to round up millions of people, many with deep roots in the United States, and send them across the border.”
and:
“We must honor the great American tradition of the melting pot, which has made us one nation out of many peoples. The success of our country depends upon helping newcomers assimilate into our society, and embrace our common identity as Americans.”
I’m not saying G.W. was good or anything, but god damn that’s a big change from what we see now from Republicans.
I got a lot of heat for saying it before, but as a Latino, out of all his shit, racist is not something I ever got from Bush. He did a lot for Africa in terms of foreign aid, more than any president before him. He has positive things to say about immigration like you mentioned, and he grew up around a lot of Latinos, and his brother is married to a Mexican. So I never saw his family as racists. Fuck how is it possible I’m missing the Bush family?
You never saw GW Bush as racist, but Middle Eastern Americans would disagree because leaders at that time didn’t do enough to combat the wave of Islamophobia which occurred after 9/11. Now it’s just the Latinos turn being the scapegoat. Republicans almost always play the racism card, just the target is different. Americans deserve better.
Edit to point out that when I say “Republicans” in my post, I mean the talking heads. I know individuals and people who may vote Republican may not necessarily feel the same
I know individuals and people who may vote Republican may not necessarily feel the same
But the racism card never becomes a deal-breaker. Republicans are more likely to get in line and go to the polls than those who lean to the left. If you choose to associate with and elect people who broadcast hateful rhetoric, you bear responsibility.
Bet. So why don’t all you palefaces go back to England, Ireland, Germany, Spain, France…
So, you mean everyone except the native Americans should leave America? Just trying to understand clearly the implications of what you’re suggesting :P
In all seriousness, after all this time I would bet most people couldn’t trace a lineage to a single country now anyway.
They probably couldn’t. And Europe being what it is, a bunch of them would have lineage going back to a country that no longer exists, i.e. if they were of any of the states that were ultimately absorbed into unified Germany in the 1800’s.
It’s all arbitrary. But we know damn well Trump and his goons don’t mean “white” people when they say “immigrants.”
Please no. We already have 20-30% of people voting for fascists in Germany. We dont need more
I heard Russia is accepting immigrants.
I mean, how many people supported slavery and later, Jim Crow.
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The funny thing, though, is that the people who supported slavery also generally supported immigration. And I don’t mean by importing slaves (that too, of course). They wanted immigrants because they wanted America to grow. Sure, they didn’t want black immigrants, but that’s a whole other thing. When Chinese immigrants started pouring into California during the Gold Rush era, the response wasn’t, “immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country!” it was “Hey! Dirt cheap labor! And stay out of the buildings with the posted ‘no Chinese’ signs or else.”
So even those people, awful as they were, wouldn’t agree.
When Chinese immigrants started pouring into California during the Gold Rush era, the response wasn’t, “immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country!”
Chinese Exclusion Act says hi.
Okay, fair point. But that wasn’t really a “poisoning the blood of our country” thing either. It was a “they tuk’r jerbs” situation.
Oh, no, there was definitely strong fears at the time that foreigners would ‘ruin’ America, and blood-related arguments were far more in vogue then than now. Even foreigners as white as the Irish and Germans.
It was a ‘catholics are evil and all follow the commands of the pope so we can’t let them in, they’ll sell us all out to the European powers’ thing.
Also Irish are all drunks and Italians are all criminals, unlike the wonderful people who populated this country who were the European upper crust of course, and not religious nut jobs and people fleeing debt or other crimes.
Don’t get me started on antisemitism: https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-united-states-and-the-refugee-crisis-1938-41
Roosevelt warned that even Jewish refugees could become a threat, aiding Nazi Germany in exchange for the lives of loved ones held hostage in Europe. The FBI warned Americans to be on guard. Neither the president nor the FBI were able to provide any specific examples of Jewish refugees committing acts of espionage or sabotage.
Not just fleeing debt or crimes. People tend to be pretty well familiar with the British Empire using Australia as a penal colony, but that didn’t really get going until after the American Revolution. Before that they just used the 13 Colonies. Not quite as far to travel, bit cheaper.
We’ve largely blotted out that particular perception, though, replacing it with pilgrims in funny hats fleeing religious persecution. Which, there were those too, of course, but there was also quite a lot of every other sort of person.
Yea one of the big ironies of history was that Abraham Lincoln was that he wanted to ship all of the newly freed slaves out of the US and back to Africa or South America: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linconia
For peace, he knew how monstrously cruel and evil the south was and that they would never tolerate black people as anything but chattel.
Removing them made sense.
I wish he wasn’t so kind and gentle, giving every slave owner to their slaves and walking away would have solved most of Americas problems to this day
As a German, knowing what happened in Nazi Germany and what Hitler’s beliefs and actions were at that time, this “rhetoric” is beyond troubling and disturbing.
People forget very quickly. Just look at what’s happening in Germany and Austria and the Netherlands and France and Italy. It’s like everyone’s ignoring history.
Yes, and people who forget history are destined to repeat it. It’s sad to hear some people in Germany wanting to “get over” our history…
America’s entire Capitalist model is based on 3-month cycles of amnesia. It is designed to forget. Business could be run successful, profitable, and non-asshole, but the hunt for the next quarterly positive shareholder report by design blinds them permanently from comprehending history.
You don’t have to be German. Just slightly educated.
Unfortunately, it’s specifically poorly educated people that Trump appeals to. He says so himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpdt7omPoa0
You’re right. I just meant that with the background of our history, that it’s something that wasn’t just said, but actually happened, it feels more concerning.
A minority of voters. The stupid end of the intelligence bell curve.
The poor end of the for profit education industry
Nope just stupid. No amount of education can make a stupid person smart.
Which immigrants? They said that about Italians, then Irish. Seems the new guys on the block are always the bad guys until they aren’t.
Elon Musk is an immigrant. Let’s start there
Literally African-American.
Can we bring back lynching for a day? Just for him?
No?
Wtf.
No no. Just for him. There’s a special place in hell for him and his clique, and the more painful way to deliver him there the better.
Lynching? Because he’s technically African-American? Wow dude.
I agree with ending the rich and nationalizing their fortunes, but that’s a bad joke.
I think this is also a problem of perspective: the US Democrats are only “left” when seen from inside the US political spectrum. Seen from the outside they barely reach a center position and would be considered conservative-right in many other countries.
13% of any national group is enough to account for people who don’t have any good reason to identify with that group but do so because their friends or family did.
Knowing what 13% of Democrats think tells you what the party is not, not what the party is. It’s irrelevant to the tired, old point that you’ve dragged out here.
