It’s my experience if you enter into any auto dealership expecting 100% truth you are vulnerable. They have had a thousand times more experience in manipulation and deception and the odds are against you. If you believe they are your friends and will work in your behalf be prepared to pay too much. Do your homework before you go and have a number in mind that you will consider, lower it by 15% and you have a realistic target. Don’t pay for any dealer add ons or additional profit markup. Keep in mind that they get kickbacks from their loan institutions. Pre-arrange financing with your bank if you are not going to lease. I think this is a general evaluation and there may be some that don’t fit this description but suspect they are unique.

Porsche has been enjoying an incredible demand for 911’s for the past 4-5 years. It is stimulated by the demand for quality high performance combustion engines before they are required to change to EV’s. Dealers have been permitted by Porsche to tack on extra profit to the consumer. Depending on the rarity of a particular 911 dealer add on profit can be $10,000 to $100,000. Essentially dealers are making more profit on 911’s than Porsche itself. If there was ever a maker that should sell directly to customers it is the 911.

In my opinion most car manufacturers no longer need the dealer network depending on the service requirements of the cars. EV’s don’t require as much service. I purchased my current car online and it was the best buying experience I have ever had.

Please the 24 models you refer to.

My sentiments exactly about Kia/Hyundai dealers. I am waiting for the 2024 Teslas.

It’s all about freedom of speech and Reddit is an important source supporting it. Your opinion is just as free as anyone else’s. The day we lose this freedom for fear of retaliation is not something to celebrate. I sincerely respect your personal reviews while I don’t agree. It is so difficult to buy very many products made anywhere except China. I spend a lot of time trying to avoid buying Chinese built products or companies owned by China. Big ticket items, such as autos are easier to identify. I applaud anyone that does the same. I wish I could agree with you on this one but I do support your freedom to express it.

You may already have heat, AC & a TV there. I would make sure I had a comfortable and big sofa in case I fell asleep. Best of health, peace to you!

This would be my man cave.

I think Toyotas mission was to use hydrogen vehicles as their EV. Frankly hydrogen might be a better option than electric if they had succeeded in making it available at the same time. It might still be if it reaches the point that it is widely available. Bob Honda and Toyota missed the mark on EV’s. It’s a shame. I think both make great cars.

Love to have one in any form. Yours is gorgeous! My preference would be British green with a saddle colored interior. Dust, mud or dirt would never stay on it for very long. It’s a longterm keeper. Dakar or Targa would be fine.

Can you imagine how to handle the return??? Drop it off at your local UPS store???

Toyota using their current technology to compete in an EV market that they can’t at this time. Hybrid is a patch and in my opinion will eventually dry up. Nice car but $50K + dealer markup is currently in the process of drying up. ManyToyota owners that paid over sticker price will remember the dealer that took advantage of them when it comes time to replace their car.