It doesn’t take half an hour to pre heat, it doesn’t heat up the whole house, and I’m not sending my power bill through the roof every time I want to make a meal for one person lol
My oven heats up in like 3-5 mins
Lucky you! I’ve never in my life used an oven that took less than 15 minutes to pre heat at the bare minimum
You need to close the door
How do you know it’s hot enough otherwise?? Checkmate
Is it gas? Getting an electric oven to 450 usually takes 15 minutes.
I thought you guys had 240v circuits precisely for this kind of load? On a decent 30a 230v circuit (they generally don’t use anywhere near 30a though) here in Europe it takes considerably less than that. I’d say mine takes 5-8mins for 230c (which is around 450f) and it has a rated power of 3500w.
My Beko oven takes about 25 minutes to preheat to 450. Yes, its 240 volts.
I guess it likely comes down to power rating, then. Also, with our old oven it used to take around 2x the time the current one does. That was just because the seal on the door was old and worn.
Most of our ovens aren’t hooked up to 240v
Most electric ovens are. 220-240v anyway.
AFAIK almost any appliance labelled/presumed to be 220V in the US is actually 240V unless it was made before the 50s, because we aren’t allowed to have nice things (like accuracy)
Yes. The USA switched our mains voltage from 110/220 to 120/240 about 50 years. There is a tolerance built in (10%) so that if a circuit is actually running at 100 or 220 then its within specs. A 120v circuit can run anywhere from 108 volts to 132 volts and be within spec. Its a pet peeve of mine when people say 110/220.
I’ve never seen an electric oven that wasn’t 240 volts.
No its electric.
Could be a US low voltage issue? Since im European.
North American ovens run on 240v, they probably just need to replace the heating element
But my EU oven runs on 380V-16A three-phase, because we in the Netherlands and Germany are special snowflakes.
That’s awesome. You could probably run a proper kiln in place of your oven if you felt like it.
My Finnish oven runs on 380V too, although it’d hard-wired insted of a weird plug.
Mines 5 phase. My Dad got because he works at oven.
It’s possible he’s running it at 120v if the electrician did a bad job in the kitchen. 400v ovens are fairly common where I live and can run on 240v in a pinch (even if it’s not recommended).
Not that I know such things, but I think 120V wouldn’t even fully heat up an oven.
Ah Yeah maybe, Canadian but North America as a whole is the same standard of 240v for ovens. It could also be I’ve only used lower end ovens lol.
That’s probably true. Our electric kettles heat up much slower too for the same reason.
The only large appliances that aren’t running 220-240v in the US are the refrigerator and dishwasher .Ovens, washing machines, tumble dryers, furnaces, and water heaters are all on 240 volts.
In Europe, at least my oven is hooked up to 3 phase 400V. That’s more than the 240 max you get in the US.
Serious question, with that much power do you even pre-heat the oven? At that much power, I imagine you can just put the food in and turn it on.
450F takes my older electric oven less than five minutes, jeeeeez
My oven won’t go higher than 275.
OP is talking about Fahrenheit, but didn’t say so for whatever reason. Most ovens I’ve seen also max out around 275 Celcius.
That’s not even an oven, that’s like… a warm box
275° is enough to 3D print most plastics.
Me omw to eat my 3d printed chicken
I thought that was the case with my gas oven, until I had a timer running one day and realized it was actually more like 10 minutes to get to 450.
Just tested my air frier and it’s takes about 2 minutes, but obviously, it’s way more energy efficient. Plus easier clean up. I can just throw a bunch of fries and chicken strips in there and it’s good to go. Whereas with an oven I’d probably need to buy a special rack or something so all the oils don’t stick to the bottom of the fries. Plus heating up all that empty space!
It’s a small convection oven. Most ovens are not convection ovens, they’re fan ovens or gas ovens. The biggest downside to both of them is that what you’re mostly heating up is empty space.
I can practically fill my air fryer with enough food for one person. Clearly more efficient.
Also because of the small size it heats up basically instantly, none of this preheating the oven for 45 minutes before you can cook anything.
They also use air that moves a lot faster than a convection oven, which makes a huge difference.
And they’re also rounded instead of a square so the air moves more efficiently, which also makes a huge difference.
Most ovens are not convection ovens, they’re fan oven
As far as I understand the nomenclature, fan ovens are convection ovens.
following because I also dk the difference here
The difference is between normal ovens with top and bottom heating elements and a fan that moves the air around on one hand and a real convection oven that has a heating element in front of the fan on the other.
Your air fryer likely runs on 120v if you are in the US and your oven runs on 240v. This changes the efficiency equation.
240v lets you pump more amps through smaller gauge wire, but since it’s an air fryer only needs to maintain a certain temperature, 120v is fine, and will not use any additional power over 240v. The amount of total watt hours used is what determines efficiency.
Where 240v is nice is with electric water kettles, where the higher voltage increases your wattage ceiling, letting you dump the energy into the water faster, and thus boiling it faster. A 120v electric kettle would use the same amount of total watt hours to boil the water, but because it’s heating it with a lower wattage output, it just takes longer.
Technology Connections did a good video on the subject.
It’s a concentrated convection oven. It’s not magic, but I definitely like mine. Great for side dishes like roasted veggies. Also uses wayyyyy less power and time than a full oven when you’re only baking something small enough to fit in an air fryer
I bought mine because it was cheap and didn’t really think i use it all too much. I hardly ever used my oven ever since. It’s nothing special per se, but it uses less energy and everything goes way faster, because you don’t have to heat up a really big box for a piece of bread.
I thought they were dumb for the longest time, but I only have a conventional oven. Some stuff you want a convection oven for. It’s definitely a WAY cheaper alternative than buying a new oven that has both features, that’s for sure. Definitely need to adjust to the difference for temperature and time though, I’ve made that mistake before
Also compared to a full size convection oven, the airflow is much faster and more concentrated in an air fryer, giving not just faster cooking times but a crispier skin effect
It’s a nice little convection oven. Especially great for one or two people.
I can’t fit one person in, let alone two. What’s your secret?
you need the one with shelves rather than the “fryer basket”
Good cutting technique.
I was expecting the tubby custard machine
Just use your shrink ray first, obviously. That’s what I do.
That sounds rather inhumane.
Well excuuuuuse me! Look at captain morals over here! Pff… Wimp!
I recently acquired my first ‘air fryer’.
Yes, it’s an oversized, convection toaster oven, with a lot of fancy programs built in that I probably don’t need.
Having had a (gas) convection oven in the past, it’s just not the same. It heats up faster, and seems to do a better job of circulating air. Supposedly I had a pretty nice convection oven, too.
I can make really tasty falafel in my ‘air fryer’ that uses a tiny fraction of the oil that is used for deep frying; I wasn’t able to make decent falafel in my convection oven. Does a great job with frozen fries and tater tots too. I need to try roasting brussels sprouts in it, maybe some asparagus.
So far, it’s an easy 9/10. The only downside is the footprint.
If you do brussel sprouts I’d suggest doing them whole. I e done it a few times and halved them, and once the air fryer gets going you get a nice little storm of loose leaves burning before the rest of the sprouts are cooked.
Air friers are good in a modern kitchen, which is where you find them. Ideally, we would like to have a large restaurant kitchen with all the tools and the workstations, but if we can’t we accept compromises, the air fried being one of them. It’s good where it is meant to be, a tool in a regular kitchen
I roast my veggies in mine and it’s great. Less time, gas, and overall heat than my gas one. Don’t cook fish in it, though.
I sometimes do a small roast in mine and it works great. Takes maybe 1/2 the time because of not having to wait for it to heat up and it cooks a bit faster overall as well.
Oven with a fan. Checkmate fanboys.
One might call it a convection oven.
If one doesn’t realize you can trick Americans into buying anything that implies frying.
Everything is better fried tho.
Keep in mind we were settled by Scot’s and Germans. We like our frying
Fan-forced oven gang
Even worse - it is a counter appliance and therefore the path of degeneracy.
I got a larger air fryer that has now replaced my small convection oven, microwave, and toaster. If anything, it’s reduced my counter appliances.
That’s what we have. We found it when our previous microwave finally shit the bed and we got really lucky with the timing and everything; it was on sale and we had the money. It’s awesome! Especially in a very small apartment with barely any counter or cabinet space.
I’m going to have to try replacing my microwave with my air fryer. We mostly use the microwave for reheating food, so I’m worried the fryer will dry things out too much. Any tips?
The other thing we use it for is popcorn, but we eat that almost exclusively in another room, so I could totally just move the microwave there (or get a dedicated air popper).
Mine folds up and is also my toaster oven
Link? My wife wants a bigger one, and I don’t want to use that much space on such a thing. Costco has this one, but it doesn’t fold up.
Are you maybe talking about the Ninja Foodi?
Yeah it’s the foodi. My wife likes the air frying, I love the toaster oven aspect.
When you’re paying to heat 5000% more air than you need to, it doesn’t matter what the device that saves you money is called.
You’re also trying to move 5000% more air than you need to in a square instead of a cylinder, so you’re not going to get nearly as much crisp either.
It is a bit more complicated than that. The WAY it moves the air is different than in a convection oven, so it “fries” a bit better.
This guy does a great breakdown of how it isn’t “just a convection oven”
Just a heads up, the ?si=… part of the youtube url is a tracker linked to you and your youtube history. Youtube will recommend people who click your link other things you watch. The ? and everything afterward can be safely removed and the link will still work.
Same is true for Amazon and other POS websites. Always try slimming your links before sharing with others.
Thanks!
Thanks for sharing this, interesting recipe too, I will try it. The cross section of the air fryer was cool.
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He literally cut one in half and showed how the air flowed and explained why it was different and more akin to deep frying. Maybe watch a video next time before critiquing it.
Tldr, no. To everything you just said.
That was like 10 frames and he didn’t explain shit.
Your a liar and a troll. Fuck off and stop harassing me.
This made my day ty
Toaster oven with a fan.
Oversized fan. A lot of toaster ovens already were able to do convection cooking, just need to move more air and provide a basket to call it an air fryer.
As a side note, I highly recommend a good toaster oven to everyone. It heats up so much faster than the normal oven, and when reheating things, it doesn’t ruin the texture like a microwave. And I don’t have to store separate toaster and air fryer.
Toaster ovens are also good for annealing small amounts of metal!
I love this so much. The idea of needing to anneal small amounts of metals on a regular enough basis that it’s worth getting a toaster oven to pull double duty is so foreign to me. However knowing that there are people out there for whom that can be a genuine factor when deciding whether or not to buy a toaster oven, fills me with glee.
I make knives so it’s the best thing for it. Small footprint, ease of use, and not a huge energy drain.
Though, I don’t cook food in the one I use for knives.
You should make burgers in that thing and sell them as healthy because of the “extra iron content” "
With metal filing sprinkles!
Where else would you get the iron from? =P
That’s hella cool! What kind of knives do you make?
Mostly “bushcraft” knives. So they are fixed blade and full tang. Nothing special.
I honestly end up modifying knives I’ve gotten a hold of more than anything. Have one of those Ferrari chef knives I’ve modified for my own personal use.
That’s really cool! Thank you for sharing. :)
And a better shape. Putting a fan in a box is like trying to stir a pot of water in a square pot. The convention toaster oven form factor is dumb.
Yeah it is a small oven, but you use it like a microwave.
Throw it in, put on a timer, and in a couple of minutes your thing will be ready.
And it’ll taste so much better than when you put it in a microwave. Microwave makes things soggy. ovens make things crispy.
Right? Why is a small, fast oven a disappointment?
Mine also comes as an air grill and making hamburgers from frozen patties takes roughly 15 minutes, bonus it doesn’t make a mess on my stovetop and most of the fat drips at the bottom.
I could say the second part of your sentence about a lot of things
I like to bang your mom because she doesn’t make a mess on my stovetop and most of the fat drips at the bottom.
Huh. Neat.
The drawer-style air fryers are kinda dumb but the ones with the rotating basket on the inside really do cook french fries way better than you could in a regular oven spread out on a sheet pan and without having to heat up a bunch of oil in a pan to get similar texture.
Came here to say this. It feels like they’re so attached to the “fryer” narrative that they designed it so they can say “look, it even has a fryer basket” but that basket is dumb. When I had one it had shelves which meant I could make more stuff at a time and what I made came out better because it wasn’t all piled on top of itself. Also the rotisserie with the skewer made whole chickens pretty quickly and the rotating basket made the bangin’est oven fries.
If you happen to remember what brand name it had or what it was called, I’d love to know. Sounds amazing.
It was a gift and has long since died. best I can do for you is that it says “power air fryer oven” on the front
I had a chefman air fryer. The 10qt one and it has 5 positions for the shelves, came with two racks. It is really great for cooking a few things at the same time that you want basted in fat.
I cook sausages on the top rack then fries underneath, the fat drips on the fries and makes them tastier.
I was pretty lazy with it and some fat got into the electronics and it started smoking. I’m now going to buy the 12 qt version.
French fries should be fried not baked.
They are fried. The store-bought kind are essentially just being reheated from frozen whether it’s in an oven or in an air fryer.
If only there wasn’t a repository of human knowledge that could have cleared everything up before this meme was made:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convection_oven#Air_fryer
And BTW, it’s closer to an impingement oven
Do you expect someone who posts on 4chan to know impingement? Shit I don’t even know what that means
Google Translate tells me it’s “collision” in my language. So we’re talking about CERN-level of tech here, a highly advanced cooking process.
I knew dino nuggies were the God Particle
Impinj makes RFID tags
You mean the Wikipedia article that is literally about convection ovens and has a subheader for air fryers and literally a line where people agree that some convection ovens are better at producing crispier food than air fryers? That smoking barrel of an article?
Man it almost looks like the OOP wrote both.
Air fryers are basically just small convection ovens. If you have an oven then an air fryer does nothing you can’t already do. That said, it does cook some things slightly faster due to the confined space. I’ve found mine will cook a chicken in just over an hour saving maybe 20 or 30 minutes on a regular oven. I guess it also saves energy / money but whether it ever pays for itself is another question.
Also heats up considerably faster than a normal oven. It’s so good for reheating most stuff.
Generally it will cook a lot of things better than consumer ovens because consumer ovens are fucking garbage.
But yeah, it’s just a small convection oven that heats faster and more evenly. I love mine. I mostly only use the oven for things that require a solid tray or don’t do well with the fan in close proximity (mostly certain frozen foods). And baking.
I’ve had multiple airfryers, not against them per se. There are some things they cook better IMO. Cocktail sausages come out well. Whole chickens too. Anything you can fit the relatively small dimensions and either lays flat on the bottom or can withstand agitation/stirring AND has good heat dispersion / circulation. Small portions work better. Generally they’re easy to clean although steel baskets and plastic fixtures on tend to be very flimsy and they don’t last more than a year or two of regular use. I even had an airfryer which had this stirring mechanism in it which supposedly negated the need to turn stuff over but often it just caused some foods to disintegrate into starchy crumbs.
As for consumer ovens, can’t say I’ve had any major issues ever with them, be they electric or gas. They’re less efficient and slower to warm which is their downside. Once they’re up and cooking I think they work fine and are obviously more versatile.
Pick the best tool for the job at hand basically. I think also, that something like an instant pot (or similar) is a better and more versatile device to buy before an airfryer.
I have a convection hob that plugs in and it’s way better than the electric elements built into the stove for most stuff.
I’m not going to cook a whole turkey any time soon. Bigger ovens like this are a product of post war consumerism.
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Air fryer is just pure convenience. I could cook the chicken in the oven and probably have it come out okay. But, I could cook it in the air fryer, have nice and crunchy skin and save a pan.
I find cleaning the air fryer to be a pain. It’s got the rack at the bottom that I have to scrum, and then the catch pan. If I cook a chicken in my cast iron pan in the oven, I have one flat surface to clean, as opposed to 1 flat surface and one complicated surface. What am I missing?
Put tinfoil at the the bottom. Throw tinfoil away if dirty.
The bin itself isn’t much of a problem. It’s the rack that holds the food up so the air can circulate underneath that’s the real bitch to clean.
Laziness.
I clean it infrequently. Pretty much when grease from previous foods starts impacting the flavor in a negative way.
I just heat it up and pour out the grease. Then scrub it, cleans up easily when everything is hot.
I should add, small air fryers suck. You need a good sized one for it to be worth using.
Yeah the oven you just need to turn on clean cycle, leave the house for a few hours and then shop vac any ashes once it cools down.
My oven doesn’t even get dirty when I cook a chicken. I haven’t needed to clean mine in the 5 years I’ve lived in my house and we cook multiple times every week.
But every time we use our air fryer, I need to clean it because it’s a mess.
Yes but I have an air fryer setting on my oven. It was much more expensive and does nothing exciting!
