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    8 months ago

    Government offices should fly 2 flags: state and country. While I like the idea of a government building running a pride flag, I’m willing to give that up to never see a confederate flag fly again.

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        Ive seen the stars and bars at the courthouse in Shreveport, but that was years ago. Edit: correction: I mean the battle flag.

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          I find that hard to believe. Was it some ignorant protestor or something?

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            No sir, it was the battle flag on the flag pole under the stars and stripes at the Caddo courthouse in Shreveport Louisiana. It was many years ago and I’m sure you wouldn’t find one there now.

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            I find that difficult to believe. It may be because you live in the far north, surrounded by damn yankees. Or possibly this is a dishonest statement.

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              Even when I was in the South, I never saw a Confederate flag. Maybe you are confusing the battle flag with the actual flag.

              Oregon is far from Yankees. Outside of Portland, Eugene, Bend, this is a very rural, red state.

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                I was talking about the battle flag. I specifically referred to it by it’s nickname.

                You didn’t indicate that you were not talking about the battle flag, in response to my statement about the battle flag. Why not? Poor communication skills or just trolling? To say that the battle flag is not an actual flag is misleading and untruthful.

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                  To say that the battle flag is not an actual flag is misleading and untruthful.

                  It’s an easy misdirect away from the actual problem. So yeah, it is absolutely misleading and untruthful.

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                    It was a misunderstanding, not everybody knows everything. In fact, I was the wrong one, having heard the battle flag referred to as the " stars and bars" but in fact that was the name of the original flag with the 7 stars in a circle on a blue field in the upper left, with 1 white and 2 red stripes on the right. I have heard several people say shit like “salute the stars and bars!” when referring to the familiar battle flag. So til.

                    Still, I have seen the original Confederate flag around, but never on a government building. I have also seen the Bonnie blue flag here and there. It makes me wonder how racist and backwards you have to be to put such a symbol on the side of your barn.

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                  I have never heard it called the stars and bars. Not saying you are wrong, just never heard anyone call it that.

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      I doubt this was an issue in California with the confederate battle flag.

      I’ve never seen any state fly the confederate flag.

      Government buildings should only fly official government flags. While I support the blue line. It shouldn’t be flown at buildings. It’s not an official flag. Same with the rainbow flag or a plethora of other flags.

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        Blue line flags are a desecration of our country’s flag. Surprised conservatives aren’t ashamed about that.

        Come up with an original design, you know, like a pride flag :)

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              That is a variation. That isn’t the standard thin blue line flag . That also isn’t desecrating a flag.

              That is a flag built for a purpose.

              Maybe you’re not aware but the American flag isn’t black and white. It’s red, white and blue.

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                Idk, this is the one that’s flying at my local police dept… maybe there are more but I haven’t seen them tbh

                Have you read the flag code? This part is interesting:

                The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.

                One could argue that filtering to black and white is in itself a violation of the code lol

                Personally I don’t care and you can wipe your ass with a flag if you want. It’s conservatives who I thought were all about respecting flags. Then yall go and grayscale it and add a random line? Ugh

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                  The venn diagram of “people who give a fuck about flag code enough to recite it” and “jerkoff leftists who proclaim to not care” is a flat circle

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                  One could argue incorrectly a lot of things

                  They are Compliant with the flag code. That isn’t the American flag. It would have to be an American flag then you add those things.

                  I prefer the solid black with a blue line. That’s what I have in front of my house.

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        Here are two examples:

        South Carolina

        Alabama (also discusses other states, such as how Mississippi and Georgia formerly had flags with a confederate flag embedded in the design)

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          Those are battle flags. That isn’t the confederate flag. At least looking at the photos those are just battle flags. Which are less appropriate than flying the flag for a government.

          My grandma had a battle flag but she never displayed it. It’s because it’s the battle flag her grandpa had in the civil war. Wish someone had the sense to donate it to a museum but I suspect it was disposed of.

          People often confuse the battle flag with the confederate flag. Battle flags were to identify units on the battlefield.

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            Those are battle flags. That isn’t the confederate flag.

            colloquial - used in ordinary or familiar conversation; not formal or literary

            It is the confederate flag. You know exactly what they meant. Doing an “um achktually” doesn’t rebut their point.

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            Why would that matter and why would a state house be flying a confederate battle flag either?

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              It’s a historical tradition. They’ve done it for a very long time. It’s to honor their state citizens who died in the war.

              I think people don’t get, after the war it was about reconciliation.

              The battle flag grew to represent anti-authority. That’s why it became part of the image of the southern outlaw.

              I see no need to fly it but then again I live in Oregon. We had no ties to the confederacy. I find it an odd relic myself.

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                Is that really what you believe? That they would fly the flag of their failed rebellious nation for reconciliation and not continued defiance? Wouldn’t showing full support for the US as a nation be more of a show of unity?

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                  Considering it’s documented in history. Yes.

                  It was a show of unity to respect the dead confederate soldiers but push the leadership out. That’s what happened.

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                    That’s funny you think things like that are “documented”. The South being pretty unhappy with the outcome of the war is “documented” too btw. So why would they still be flying it in 2015? Why honor vets killed in a treasonous rebellion 160 years ago and not say, WW1, WW2, Vietnam, Korea, Iraq or Afghanistan? How about a POW MIA flag?