Calls are growing for the UN Security Council to be reformed after the US became the only member to use its veto power to block a Gaza ceasefire resolution, a move welcomed by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The UN chief says he will keep pushing for peace.

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    Nothing changed on the UNSC when Russia vetoed the resolution to leave Ukraine.

    I’m not educated enough to say which is a “worse” violation of the principles the UN stands for, but I’ll go out on a limb and say nothing will change this time, either.

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      Yes, the whole idea of countries being able to veto UN resolutions are leading to exactly this, Russia vetoing all resolutions condemning their aggression in Ukraine and the US vetoing all resolutions concerning Israel.

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        I’m not sure how a resolution condemning anything is helpful, and I don’t know why Israel and Hamas need the UN for a cease fire.

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          The “resolution” the UN needs to come to here, in my opinion, is to put the whole area (Israel and Palestine) under UN control until something equitable can be worked out.

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            UN control is notorious for not working out well, and liking children too much.

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              Not working out well compared to what’s happening now? And you think children are being protected from anything now?

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                No, of course not. There is just a very poor reputation for UN Peace keeping forces, so giving them martial law in one of the most contested places in the world might not end any better.

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      Who’s to say the call for reform is only motivated by the most recent ridiculous veto?

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      I’m not educated enough to say which is a “worse” violation of the principles the UN stands for, but I’ll go out on a limb and say nothing will change this time, either.

      Russia wants to annex a country. Israel is fighting a terrorist group. Russia is worse.

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        Russia wants to annex a country. Israel is fighting a terrorist group.

        Isreal has been slowly annexing bits of Palestine for decades. Those terrorists are the latest reaction to that.

        Not that their violence against Israel is a good thing - far from it, but it’s also not surprising.

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          Isreal has been slowly annexing bits of Palestine for decades.

          They literally haven’t. Gaza’s borders are unchanged.

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              Israeli settlements are literally built on Israeli land. East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights were won in the Six Day War.

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                So… If Russia “wins” parts of Ukrainian territory, it’s all valid?

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                  In a realpolitik sense, yeah probably. That’s why Ukraine needs to win. Nothing is going to happen to Russia if they crush Ukraine underfoot. Do you really believe something is?

                  More to the point, though, the Six Day War was a defensive war by Israel in which other countries willfully abdicated territory for Israel’s security purposes. It was not a war of annexation, so the two are completely different things.

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                Note these settlements are on the other side of the Israeli border after the 1967 war, making a large percentage of the West Bank de facto Israeli territory. And it continues to shrink.

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      Genocide is obviously worse than annexation. One just wants the land, the other wants to kill everyone on it too. Israel is far more evil than Russia.

      That said nothing will change indeed.

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        Russia is committing genocide. They’re both evil. Israel has been doing it for longer and is better at it.

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          Russia is not out to kill all Ukrainians. They are annexing (stealing) land. They want land and then want to assimilate the Ukrainians into their country. (which is bad I’m not condoning Russia here)

          Israel wants to kill all the people living on the land and replace them with their own race.

          This is not nearly the same

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              Again I’m not out here to defend Russia or anything but forced cultural assimilation is not Genocide or ethnic cleansing. Under prohibited acts you can find the requirements

              Genocide is about intentionally murdering people of an ethnic group or forcefully sterilizing them so their race dies out. Russia wants to own the Ukranians land, not murder them.

              I’d personally prefer the option to assimilate rather than being straight up murdered.

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                You need to read the final prohibited act, Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

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            “Forced assimilation” is one way to commit genocide. Another is through holocaust. The Holocaust happened to be genocide via holocaust. Gaza happens to be genocide via holocaust. The definition of genocide doesn’t require it be committed via holocaust.

            Edit: fixed an autoincorrect

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              Giza happens to be genocide via holocaust. The definition of genocide doesn’t require it be committed via holocaust.

              The Pharoah must step in!

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                And the award for the clueless, most unnecessary joke, goes to you. You do understand that not everything requires a shitty take at humor? Your comment brings nothing to the thread, OP has already fixed their mistake. Why are you here?

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            and then want to assimilate the Ukrainians into their country

            Textbook genocide. The erasure of a group of people is genocide. That can be done by:

            • Ethnic cleansing and mass killings (as demonstrated by piles of bodies in Mariupol I believe, as well as mobile crematoriums)

            • Kidnapping the group’s children (again, loudly and proudly admitted to by Russia) to deny the future of the group

            • Forcible assimilation by preventing the group from practicing it’s culture and identity (as demonstrated by Putin saying Ukraine is actually Russian because it’s historically part of the Russian empire)

            There’s one more, that I pray isn’t being used and I think we’d have heard if it was. Rape can be used as a weapon of war to force the group to give birth to your children, and deny their future in that way. To my knowledge Russia does not have a campaign to do so with Ukrainians, thank God.

            A lot of the tactics Russia is using aren’t new either, look into Russification by the USSR to Eastern Europe. They would envelop states into the USSR after purposely growing a Russian population there with settlers. This is the big reason why Eastern Europe tends to hate Russia.

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              as demonstrated by Putin saying Ukraine is actually Russian because it’s historically part of the Russian empire

              Funny that he says “Russian Empire”, because Russia hasn’t been an Empire since Tsar Nicholas II. Is he trying to go back to those days, like try to install himself as Tsar?

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            Israel wants to kill all the people living on the land and replace them with their own race.

            If that was a thing they actually wanted, they’d be doing a really shitty job of it.

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              Nah they’re doing pretty great at it. Maybe a little too fast this time, normally they’re better at taking the land and killing people slow enough to give the US and other Western allies some plausible deniability, but since no one is stopping them still, you can’t even hold that against them.