Oh yeah. Has nothing to do with all the dealers that tried to tack on a $10k market adjustment and thousands in BS fees on a BOLT, that made it cheaper to buy a Tesla.
Or the fact when I had an issue that disabled fast charging on the car 200 miles away from home and I had to rent a Tesla to get home because it took them almost a week to fix because they only had “1 EV engineer” in a major city in California who did a 20 minute software reprogramming to resolve the issue, that any ICE tech could have done.
My next car won’t be a GM product. The dealers are the problem and when I even complained to EV concierge they gave zero shits, didn’t call the dealer for updates like they said they would, I didn’t even get an apology for the inconvenience.
These shortages ended a couple for months ago. Dealerships are going to need to move cars pretty fast in the short term if they don’t want to get left with too much debt and depreciation
How can anyone complain about a $10k dealer markup in 2022 when tesla had the exact same thing, just from them directly. They cranked up the price in 2022, and dropped it back down in 2023. It’s the same thing, just going in to a different pocket.
I agree that in both cases, it is just the company rationally responding to supply and demand.
But there is a huge difference in that Tesla is completely upfront and shows you the total price at all times, while dealerships will lie straight to your face, waste your time, and pull all kinds of bullshit moves to try and jack up the price. I was livid at how my Bolt purchase went at a Chevy dealer. No respect or integrity.
I believe you, but I just want to note that I have had the exact opposite experience with my EV concierge. They have always been really responsive and on top of things. I am 100% with you about the dealerships. They are a huge pain in the ass and they are the reason you even need an EV concierge, which is ridiculous. You shouldn’t need some special party to interface with a fucking car dealership to repair anything.
GM dealers simply had the benefit of a manufacturer not providing enough EVs for the consumers. If they can deliver in volume then dealers will have less of a window where they can mark up vehicles as there will be dealers who just want to move vehicles and recoup through manufacturer incentives and hold back.
No, it wasn’t. Tesla was moving their cars at high velocity and found the top price that keeps them moving.
Dealers aren’t doing that to EVs, they are radically overpricing.
Dealer markup only helps the dealer and hurts the manufacturer with high fixed costs. At least Tesla got some money which they can, and did, put back into capital improvements for future models.
Tesla was moving their cars at high velocity and found the top price that keeps them moving
the top price which apparently came down 40% in less than a year? besides, this matters to the consumer how exactly?
Dealers aren’t doing that to EVs, they are radically overpricing.
back when i was fruitlessly trying to buy a mackey, every dealer i called said they have nothing on the lot because all allocations and abandoned customer orders were getting bought up immediately. and the lowest markup i found was $5k
At least Tesla got some money which they can, and did, put back into capital improvements for future models.
aside from the fact that this is is incredibly naive, it generalizes beautifully to other manufacturers, like gm announcing they’re doing a $10b stock buyback.
> the top price which apparently came down 40% in less than a year?
yes, they were very responsive to demand and immediately changed price and advertised so, entirely unlike the dealers.
> besides, this matters to the consumer how exactly?
It’s very easy to buy a Tesla at a low price now, and hard to buy a competing EV at a competitive price because of dealer greed and lack of desire, so people don’t.
Oh yeah. Has nothing to do with all the dealers that tried to tack on a $10k market adjustment and thousands in BS fees on a BOLT, that made it cheaper to buy a Tesla.
Or the fact when I had an issue that disabled fast charging on the car 200 miles away from home and I had to rent a Tesla to get home because it took them almost a week to fix because they only had “1 EV engineer” in a major city in California who did a 20 minute software reprogramming to resolve the issue, that any ICE tech could have done.
My next car won’t be a GM product. The dealers are the problem and when I even complained to EV concierge they gave zero shits, didn’t call the dealer for updates like they said they would, I didn’t even get an apology for the inconvenience.
GM is the one who decides what’s required to make a tech allowed to work on their EVs.
Also their low supply is what led to markups last year. Everyone has markups these days for low supply cars because OEMs aren’t making enough.
These shortages ended a couple for months ago. Dealerships are going to need to move cars pretty fast in the short term if they don’t want to get left with too much debt and depreciation
How can anyone complain about a $10k dealer markup in 2022 when tesla had the exact same thing, just from them directly. They cranked up the price in 2022, and dropped it back down in 2023. It’s the same thing, just going in to a different pocket.
I agree that in both cases, it is just the company rationally responding to supply and demand.
But there is a huge difference in that Tesla is completely upfront and shows you the total price at all times, while dealerships will lie straight to your face, waste your time, and pull all kinds of bullshit moves to try and jack up the price. I was livid at how my Bolt purchase went at a Chevy dealer. No respect or integrity.
I believe you, but I just want to note that I have had the exact opposite experience with my EV concierge. They have always been really responsive and on top of things. I am 100% with you about the dealerships. They are a huge pain in the ass and they are the reason you even need an EV concierge, which is ridiculous. You shouldn’t need some special party to interface with a fucking car dealership to repair anything.
GM dealers simply had the benefit of a manufacturer not providing enough EVs for the consumers. If they can deliver in volume then dealers will have less of a window where they can mark up vehicles as there will be dealers who just want to move vehicles and recoup through manufacturer incentives and hold back.
right, because tesla charging $70k for a stripper model y was totally not the same thing at all
No, it wasn’t. Tesla was moving their cars at high velocity and found the top price that keeps them moving.
Dealers aren’t doing that to EVs, they are radically overpricing.
Dealer markup only helps the dealer and hurts the manufacturer with high fixed costs. At least Tesla got some money which they can, and did, put back into capital improvements for future models.
the top price which apparently came down 40% in less than a year? besides, this matters to the consumer how exactly?
back when i was fruitlessly trying to buy a mackey, every dealer i called said they have nothing on the lot because all allocations and abandoned customer orders were getting bought up immediately. and the lowest markup i found was $5k
aside from the fact that this is is incredibly naive, it generalizes beautifully to other manufacturers, like gm announcing they’re doing a $10b stock buyback.
> the top price which apparently came down 40% in less than a year?
yes, they were very responsive to demand and immediately changed price and advertised so, entirely unlike the dealers.
> besides, this matters to the consumer how exactly?
It’s very easy to buy a Tesla at a low price now, and hard to buy a competing EV at a competitive price because of dealer greed and lack of desire, so people don’t.
so the market changed overnight? funny how that works