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Congestion will soon mean every station at all hours no matter how congested.
In QC’s Circuit Électrique, charging fees are doubled over 90%
I like how it is no longer at all less expensive to own an EV for the average person.
They’re doing a great job convincing people it’s a good idea… 😊It’s truly amazing how everyone “knows” people they feel inconvenienced by are all charging to 100%. I have exactly zero times had someone approach me at a charger. Mind your business and stop being a whiny baby if you end up having to wait. The entitlement of these owners is amazing. Geez.
Honestly, every charger should have a feature that charges people for occupying a stall when not charging or when staying too long after fully charging.
They already charge you if you stay after charging stops.
This is a new charge that nails you for sitting there for an extra 30 minutes to go from 90-100%, when others are waiting.
These are going to be highly used stations, charging past 80% is pointless, Tesla is building out 50+ locations per month, with 8+ stalls per location, so I don’t expect this to be much of an issue when you travel.
Good move. But I look forward to the day when battery technology has progressed to the point where we have flat charging curves at 150kW or more. Then it wouldn’t be an issue in the first place.
My only comment is about range… If there’s no other (online) charging within range of where you’re going, and you HAVE to charge to 100% to get to the nearest one, then…
If you need to go above 90% to get to your destination, the likelihood of there not being an online Supercharger on the way to your destination is almost 0% these days. The network is extremely dense, and also extremely reliable.
And in those exceptionally rare circumstances where that’s not the case, you just have to spend a few extra bucks.
Tell me you live near one of the coasts without telling me you live near one of the coasts.
FWIW, there are plenty of places in the country where this is true. But once you get, say, a few hundred miles east of the Pacific Ocean, things can get significantly worse.
I took a trip this morning that didn’t have a single charger above 50kw for a 196 mile stretch. We’ve got another semi-frequent road trip route that’s 260 miles between DCFC locations.
I’m in favor of this in principle, and things are definitely getting better, but there are still places where charging to 100% is gonna be a requirement, especially in winters when many of those places overlap with “places with quite cold winters.”
and you HAVE to charge to 100% to get to the nearest one
the US doesn’t have charing networks like other places. it’s not a hard problem to solve. Tesla is not the only player.
Buc-ee’s and Mercedes-Benz partner to create new electric vehicle charging network
https://www.statesman.com/story/business/2023/11/17/new-ev-changing-network-coming-to-buc-ees-after-deal-with-mercedes/71611203007/
Shell has committed to becoming a net zero emissions business by 2050 or sooner, in step with society, and to operating 500,000 chargers globally by 2025. As Shell Recharge Solutions, the company will bring the EV charging expertise and solutions that will help ensure delivery on these transformative commitments and accelerate continued expansion of electric mobility in North America.
I don’t mind that. What I do hate is chargers that tell your battery percentage to others.
I hate that some people come knocking on windows or start yelling asking for me to go when I’m charging and go above 80%.
I don’t have a home charger and sometimes I need to get to 90% so I can get through the week. Or when I was on a road trip, I took longer naps and let the car get over 90%. And thank god I did because at one point, I went to a charging station and it was broken and I needed every spare mile to reach the next station.
Glad to see it, but this is only for busy sites
Glad to see it is only for busy sites. I live in Halifax, NS in Canada and have a 2019 Model 3 SR+ with over 130,000 kms on it. When I travel from Halifax to Moncton in winter weather the nav system usually tells me to charge to more than 90% in Enfield so I can make it to the Supercharger in Aulac, NB.
When traveling to Cape Breton, I usually charge to 100% in Enfield because everything North and east of Halifax is a bit of a DCFC wasteland. There are a few 50kw Flo chargers but they are single stations spaced around 100kms apart so they tend to be pretty busy.
I want this implemented everywhere but based on a queueing system baked into the app. You’re charged a congestion fee as long as someone is waiting on a queue.
They probably don’t want to get into the issue of what happens when you start charging and nobody is around, then you go to do something and while you’re starting your meal at 92% or whatever someone jumps in the queue. You can say the policy is basically above 90% you must wait in your car ready to move it if someone joins the queue but that kind of rule complexity probably doesn’t improve that much vs the simple congestion rule they currently propose
There are some legs of my trip home with a standard range model 3 I need to charge above 90% to make it to the next supercharger so I really disagree.
Sucks to be you, roll over and pay up!
That’s apparently how it’s in the app
Except it could still cause people to avoid the charging location seeing all the bays are full (either in app or in person).
That’s… what congestion means.
Ohh I’d like to add if there was a way to not only add queues but a way to put your self in line so even if your not paying much attention the app tells you got a 5min window to make your way to the stall that just opened up and won’t charge for anyone other that the person who was waiting in line. (Keeping line cutters out)
This is great, if you don’t want BZ4X or Leaf hogging the stalls pissing everyone off just because they pay per kWH.
…what? Everyone pays per kWh at Superchargers, outside of places where that’s illegal and Tesla charges everyone by the minute. How did you get in in your head that different cars pay for charging in different ways?
I got downvoted for suggesting this only a few days ago, but Tesla has just implemented a new $1/min congestion fee if you charge above 90% at certain locations when the Supercharger is busy. This should help improve throughput and reduce wait times at congested Superchargers. Charging past 90% is extremely slow, and in most cases it is faster overall to make a second charging stop.
Yes you got downvoted for proposing a way to gouge paying customers.
The person did nothing wrong. Tesla engineers just made a crappy design where charging gets very very slow above 90%
I hopped into that downvote chain with my agreement!
90% is a better setting than 80%
But great timing on starting the discussion!
This post is 19 hours old at the time of this comment and at 98% upvotes.
Your congestion fee is $1,140.00.
Meme’d
I wonder about all the rich Tesla owners that would still charge
And all the tik tok videos about it
As someone who is traveling on Thursday for close to 300 miles, I like to hear this. I think it pretty much benefits everyone.
Especially knowing that the industry has adopted nacs we’re going to see lots more cars at superchargers. I mean it’s not an overnight charger so I can’t see why anyone would have an issue with this. Just prevents someone from hogging a station.
you must not live in the states 😂. people here get mad when you tell them they can’t do something for the good of society
I can’t see why anyone would have an issue with this.
You forget how many people on here base their entire belief system around “Elon bad”.
Especially knowing that the industry has adopted nacs we’re going to see lots more cars at superchargers.
This sentiment is common, but the numbers don’t pencil out. Even if all of the other manufacturers’ EVs were already NACS compatible today, that wouldn’t mean a whole lot in terms of Supercharger congestion. Tesla owners would hardly notice and consider it something of a novelty seeing non-Teslas at the chargers.
The real driver of current and future Supercharger congestion is Tesla sales because they sell so many EVs in the US. Given the recent EV rug-pulls from the other manufacturers, that situation is not changing any time soon.
So yes, Tesla sales keep growing and the Superchargers network needs to grow to keep pace. But the good news is that they’re opening new (and often large) Superchargers in the US with terrific regularity such as the 44-stall station in Redding, California that was announced just yesterday.
That’s true. Didn’t consider that also
It’s just another way to skim off the top and make some money.
When you make a dietary indiscretion at the charge-mart and suddenly your pooping at $1/min
(Yeah I’m in favor of congestion charges)
Park your car, plug it in, walk into the grocery store pay a huge “idle” fee. Who would possibly have an issue with that 🤦
Well if you walk out of the grocery store and there is a huge line waiting for you and your car is at 95% - you’re just hogging a network that others can be using. Perhaps use an L2 charger if you’re shopping for groceries rather than clogging up a supercharger.