All European countries that I am aware of try to make sure used cars are in good condition to keep on the road. This is why they promote regular inspecti...
There is something strange about this. I don’t hear about suspension issues for model 3s in the tesla forums. Also the satisfaction surveys are quite high of the owners.
Because 99% of Tesla owners don’t know what to look for in a visual inspection, nor do they understand the individual components of a strut assembly. They’re not mechanics, they just own a car.
lso: it wouldn’t be the TÜV that is biased, since they include both in their reporting. It would be the news outlets that like Tesla as a click generator.
Yes especially since many fans of Tesla laud the “tech” of the car more than valuing the traditional car/driving characteristics aside from a 0-60 time.
i highly doubt TUV is not biased towards German brands. There were other cars that did worse like the X5 and X6 but they’re not even mentioned in the article
I’m a little puzzled too. It doesn’t say what the problem is, other than suspension. Is something bent or cracked? Are bolts loose? I’ve never heard of this issue on NA Teslas.
Mine regularly goes “clunk” when fully turning the wheel (like when backing into a parking spot). Also seems to be an extra clunk going over speed bumps.
Whats so strange about this? Every vehicle has to go through this inspection and there are minor and critical flaws. Critical flaws mean the car is no longer allowed onto public roads until that critical flaw is repaired. This data comes from 10m+ official tüv inspections and only cars with a reasonable sample size are allowed into this yearly report. The inspection guidelines are the same for everyone and the inspectors are usually highly paid professionals that require not so easy to earn qualifications. They dont work for the same company, if youre suspecting any grand conspiracy against Tesla, its extremely unlikely. There are way too many people involved who have absolutely nothing in common.
There are way too many people involved who have absolutely nothing in common.
They are all Germans who live in a country with a very influential automobile industry. There is a definite conflict of interest there. That doesn’t prove a conspiracy, but it could indicate a bias.
Either way, I hope that Tesla takes this seriously.
Oh a lot of us do. But a lot of us are stuck with mechanically poor vehicles to get to meager paying jobs 20 miles away with no public transport. Sad state we are in.
I’ve had my UCAs replaced, I’ve had clunking, I’ve had squeaks and ball joint issues, and now they’re squeaking again after the UCAs were replaced. 60k miles.
The German TUV is comprised of human beings and implicit bias and confirmation bias are real consequences of being human.
If I believe that Volkswagen makes better cars than Tesla, I am a patriotic German citizen, and my job is to inspect cars from both brands, then I might be just a little more strict with inspections of Teslas than with VWs, even if I am not doing it consciously.
I am not saying that Tesla doesn’t have a real problem here; just that the TUV has an obvious conflict of interest that could result in some bias.
Secondly because they’ve bought into the brand. I remember when Tesla workers were replacing a mount in the front end with wood/cardboard and plastic straps because of supply chain issues and forums were praising them for being critical thinkers… Not complaining that a critical mount was being replaced by inferior materials.
Model 3 Suspension component failure is something like 14x the average car. Seriously. One would have to be blind to not hear about the control arm failures.
I have a 2018 Tesla model 3 LR, they replaced the entire rear suspension due to corrosion, I failed a state safety inspection. The front control arms were also replaced due to squeaking.
Getting corrosion issues on the body now, down low below doors.
I’m in northern Vermont, in the snowbelt, lots of salt on roads
I don’t think it’s that odd. You reasearch just wasn’t very good. If you e.g. search for “Querlenker” in Tesla’s largest German forum you’ll find plenty of results. And I would bet it is the same in English language forums.
There is something strange about this. I don’t hear about suspension issues for model 3s in the tesla forums. Also the satisfaction surveys are quite high of the owners.
Because 99% of Tesla owners don’t know what to look for in a visual inspection, nor do they understand the individual components of a strut assembly. They’re not mechanics, they just own a car.
Yes especially since many fans of Tesla laud the “tech” of the car more than valuing the traditional car/driving characteristics aside from a 0-60 time.
i highly doubt TUV is not biased towards German brands. There were other cars that did worse like the X5 and X6 but they’re not even mentioned in the article
I’m a little puzzled too. It doesn’t say what the problem is, other than suspension. Is something bent or cracked? Are bolts loose? I’ve never heard of this issue on NA Teslas.
Probably this.
The ball joint creak seems like a pretty widespread issue, seems like the sort of thing that should have been resolved with a recall.
Control arms in general seem to have issues though, makes me think they’re just trying to replace under warranty as much as needed to avoid a full blown recall, which is unfortunate.
my guess would be brakes. Thats the most common problem with EVs and since tesla doesn’t do inspections these are usually only caught at the TÜV
My model 3 needed a full suspension replacement after about 10 months of driving. It was one of the final straws for me.
Mine regularly goes “clunk” when fully turning the wheel (like when backing into a parking spot). Also seems to be an extra clunk going over speed bumps.
I have the same issue on my Model Y - have you ever talked to Service about this?
no. otherwise the car is fine.
Except I did get rear ended a few weeks ago. I’ll have htem look at it while it’s being repaired.
It’s the control arms. A known issue, I had mine repaired under warranty.
Whats so strange about this? Every vehicle has to go through this inspection and there are minor and critical flaws. Critical flaws mean the car is no longer allowed onto public roads until that critical flaw is repaired. This data comes from 10m+ official tüv inspections and only cars with a reasonable sample size are allowed into this yearly report. The inspection guidelines are the same for everyone and the inspectors are usually highly paid professionals that require not so easy to earn qualifications. They dont work for the same company, if youre suspecting any grand conspiracy against Tesla, its extremely unlikely. There are way too many people involved who have absolutely nothing in common.
They are all Germans who live in a country with a very influential automobile industry. There is a definite conflict of interest there. That doesn’t prove a conspiracy, but it could indicate a bias.
Either way, I hope that Tesla takes this seriously.
If you look at the whole list, there are many BMW and VW who make the top bottom in later years.
You’re probably American and Americans in general have no idea what a bad technical state their cars are in.
Oh a lot of us do. But a lot of us are stuck with mechanically poor vehicles to get to meager paying jobs 20 miles away with no public transport. Sad state we are in.
USA car brands are in good company with European car brands for poor reliability.
I’ve had my UCAs replaced, I’ve had clunking, I’ve had squeaks and ball joint issues, and now they’re squeaking again after the UCAs were replaced. 60k miles.
I had this, the lower arm bushing went too. I think they called it the compliance arm. It wasn’t too bad.
I trust the German TUV way more than Tesla forum lurkers.
The German TUV is comprised of human beings and implicit bias and confirmation bias are real consequences of being human.
If I believe that Volkswagen makes better cars than Tesla, I am a patriotic German citizen, and my job is to inspect cars from both brands, then I might be just a little more strict with inspections of Teslas than with VWs, even if I am not doing it consciously.
I am not saying that Tesla doesn’t have a real problem here; just that the TUV has an obvious conflict of interest that could result in some bias.
My guess it’s probably just on the edge of being acceptable. Good enough so customers don’t notice. And good enough so >85% of vehicles pass.
The plural of anecdotes isn’t data.
Secondly because they’ve bought into the brand. I remember when Tesla workers were replacing a mount in the front end with wood/cardboard and plastic straps because of supply chain issues and forums were praising them for being critical thinkers… Not complaining that a critical mount was being replaced by inferior materials.
Model 3 Suspension component failure is something like 14x the average car. Seriously. One would have to be blind to not hear about the control arm failures.
My neighbor had a recurring suspension issue on his 3. I think he eventually got it resolved but he did have a problem for a while
They are investors. Got to keep the stock price high. The cars are appallingly built. It should be common knowledge at this point.
I have a 2018 Tesla model 3 LR, they replaced the entire rear suspension due to corrosion, I failed a state safety inspection. The front control arms were also replaced due to squeaking.
Getting corrosion issues on the body now, down low below doors.
I’m in northern Vermont, in the snowbelt, lots of salt on roads
https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=tesla+suspension+problems
Is this a joke.
You’re surprise a tesla forum is full of people who love the car?
Reminds me of how the Apple forums are full of people who broadly defend and deny issues that Apple later guess class actioned for and settles.
The issue is with the brakes - on the Teslas they get rust because of OPD and that disqualifies them from passing the test. It’s an easy fix though
I don’t think it’s that odd. You reasearch just wasn’t very good. If you e.g. search for “Querlenker” in Tesla’s largest German forum you’ll find plenty of results. And I would bet it is the same in English language forums.
I searched for Querlenker in an English tesla forum and got 0 results
Control arms are a constant problem for Model 3 owners.