• Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      349·
      3 years ago

      They arent just dicks. They are maniacs who are in favour of the genocides commited against ukranians and uyghurs.

    • ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works
      203·
      3 years ago

      Because it worked on them. At some point someone was a smug, obnoxious cunt to them online and they were like “Wow, thanks, I guess I’m a communist now!”

    • Zetta@mander.xyz
      2314·
      3 years ago

      ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I sort of look at them as amusement. It’s not like what they want will happen In our lifetimes (or ever probably). I don’t necessarily get why everyone hates them, just try looking at them as funny content lol

      • Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        509·
        3 years ago

        You must not have seen the amount of genocide denial they do, or the amount of simping for dictators.

        • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe
          122·
          3 years ago

          What’s weird is that I don’t remember the Chapo guys doing any of that, they seem pretty solidly democratic socialist.

          I guess that’s what happens when you let your community mods be Putin bots or whatever dumbfuckery went on.

          • Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            123·
            3 years ago

            It’s also what happens when you lock yourself in an echo chamber for long enough, you views will drift.

            But the Chapo crowd always had tendencies towards brigading and whatnot which is why Reddit eventually deleted their sub.

            Plus the Chapo crowd were firmly “Bernie or Bust,” which was a pretty shit view at the time.

        • Dubious_Fart@lemmy.mlEnglish
          126·
          3 years ago

          I genuinely don’t understand why the admins are dragging ass and not just defederating from them already. They provide nothing of value, just spam and harassment.

          • Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            73·
            3 years ago

            Because if memory serves both Lemmy.ml and Lemmygrad share some admins with each other

            And with Lemmygrad and Hexbear loving each other: federation is going to stay a thing over here

            One of the things I love about the instance I’m on is that we’re defederated from Hexbear, it’s pretty nice NGL

          • pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz
            65·
            3 years ago

            Because you’re on a tankie instance. Go to sopuli.xyz; the admin banned all extremists left and right so it’s smooth sailing.

              • Dubious_Fart@lemmy.mlEnglish
                83·
                3 years ago

                wanna-be-edgy teenager who unironically wears Che Guevara t-shirts, mostly.

                Also the kind that say anything western is the devil, and anything Russian and/or Chinese is the great saviour/perfection/whatever other bullshit.

            • Dubious_Fart@lemmy.mlEnglish
              21·
              3 years ago

              Welp, tried to delete my account and fuck off from this place due to that knowledge, but apparently account deletion doesnt work. so I’m just fuckin off.

              Thanks for the info, made the decision easier.

      • Kit Sorens@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        5012·
        3 years ago

        Im so radicalized, I might vote Neoliberally, woahhhh~ i make compromises with existing powers, oooooo~ I understand that people with different views than me can be reasonable people, ooooh~ spooky ghost hands

        Hexbear is naïve, clinging to foundational theory without understanding the basic tenant of people. If you adopt a lick of psychology or sociology, you quickly understand how no one theory ever solves anything, and antagonizing people into your movement is not a way to turn hearts.

      • Fox@pawb.social
        365·
        3 years ago

        I was shocked to realize that the degens on that instance aren’t just trolls setting out to make the far left look as stupid as possible, they’re true believers and really are that dumb. For a few harrowing days until they received defederation in exchange for their cool emojis and tankie wordvomit, I wondered whether McCarthy maybe wasn’t such a bad guy after all.

  • BirdyBoogleBop@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    635·
    3 years ago

    Well I’m glad Hexbears have stopped spamming pig testicles at least. But. First impressions mean a lot and they did not make a good one.

    • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe
      333·
      3 years ago

      Their most obnoxious members really need to learn how to proselytize because they’re their own worst enemy.

      You don’t lead with the crazy genocide denial, you lead with pointing out stuff like Churchill genociding 3 million Indians with the Bengal famine, or that South Korea was a fascist state before the Korean war.

      Oh, look, so was Vietnam.

      Oh, weird, so was etc etc etc etc

      • Astroturfed@lemmy.world
        14·
        3 years ago

        South Korea only fascist before the war. Definitely wasn’t a fascist pseudo dictatorship until like what year is it?.. I think they’re still electing people related to the former dictators or in that weird cult shit. South Korea is like that super crazy cousin you have, that you forget about because their quiet and don’t call you very often.

        • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe
          5·
          3 years ago

          They were fascist until their President-For-Life type guy was assassinated by a member of the KCIA in 1979. He was definitely supported in some manner by the American CIA but just a couple years later Reagan would put a stop to all that “fighting fascism” business.

      • BirdyBoogleBop@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        133·
        3 years ago

        Every person who read the comments on a thread deserved it? The replies being public ruins that excuse.

        I am assuming PBB is some acronym for pig bollocks.

        • Thordros [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          3211·
          3 years ago

          PPB is an acronym for Pig Poop Balls.

          It is a gag dated back to the Dark Days of Reddit, where there were regular posts about, “Well, actually, homelessness is good in the free market pee pee poo poo I am very intelligent.”

          As they were not engaging in good faith, we, too, chose not to engage in good faith. Thus, we sent them photos of a prize hog defecating on his own testicles. The tradition of sending PPB to bad faith actors carries on to the present day.

          It is very funny.

          • FaeDrifter@midwest.socialEnglish
            158·
            3 years ago

            No, you just use it against anyone who doesn’t immediately agree with you on everything, and now you are the bad faith actor, and you’ve made being a bad faith actor more important than genuinely helping any progressive causes.

        • TankieCatgirl [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          64·
          3 years ago

          You’re acting like it’s gore or something. It’s literally just poop. Gross, maybe, but not really that offensive. Certainly not as disgusting as liberal takes on homelessness, bombing 3rd world countries, sacrificing lives for capitalism, etc.

          And unlike those, a pig pooping on their own balls never hurt anyone.

          PIGPOOPBALLS

            • mycorrhiza they/them@lemmy.ml
              64·
              3 years ago

              I just saw it, you sent me this link:

              https://hexbear.net/post/613387

              which contains a screenshot of this comment:

              https://lemm.ee/comment/3622601

              where /u/randint complains that hexbear admin /u/TomboyShulk dismissed his complaints about three other comments, which he then links to.

              The three comments are all from the same 22 day old thread, and his engagement with the thread starts here:

              https://hexbear.net/comment/3829077

              There are two pieces of context I think ought to be mentioned:

              • “post hog” and other “post your dick” variants are a canned /r/ChapoTrapHouse response against any user who seems like an unusually odious or bad faith wrecker or reactionary, like a rebuttal to 4chan’s “tits or gtfo”. It started when a neo-nazi went on CTH to spout race science but was mocked into posting his dick, which defused the guy completely; at the time, the subreddit was getting a lot of people like that, and “post hog” became one of the go-to responses because it was low-effort and it shut them down. It bewildered and frustrated people who were there say awful things or make users feel unsafe.

              • /u/randint has been on a crusade against hexbear for fucking weeks. He goes out of his way to stir shit and has explicitly admitted that his aim is to make the site look bad. Increasingly frustrated hexbears pointed out his bad faith engagement in the thread I linked. He goes about it in a bloodless, polite-sounding way, but he’s not there with good intentions. Only at the very end of the thread, deep in the exchange, did anyone give him the canned response, and it made him leave.

              • FaeDrifter@midwest.socialEnglish
                22·
                3 years ago

                Ok, the deep lore of “post your hog” makes sense, and I honestly don’t think I can argue against sexually harassing a literal Neo-Nazi. Let the kid gloves come off.

                But it is straight up sexual harassment. Yeah, it shuts people down quickly and easily, that’s literally what sexual harassment was designed for. And it’s not being reserved for Nazis, it’s being used liberally and the community and moderators foster an atmosphere that encourages sexual harassment of outsiders.

                And to be fair, I see there’s outside actors acting in bad faith. But sexual harassment is either okay in a community, or it isn’t. You can’t blame a pro-sexual-harassment environment on a bad faith outside actor. And when sexual harassment has been normalized, how much space do you really have to complain about other people being bad faith actors?

                The really terrible thing is that I don’t think Hexbear is even capable of having a good faith discussion about sexual harassment, with itself. If anyone was to point out the issue, the mods and most prolific posters would not be able to take it seriously and nothing would change.

                In unixporn someone brought to light that the traditional term “ricing” had racist origins, and there was a little pushback, but by and large the community accepted that the term will be removed and banned. The community learned, and changed.

                I have 0% expectation that Hexbear community is capable of listening, or changing.

                • mycorrhiza they/them@lemmy.ml
                  61·
                  3 years ago

                  i think it’s a fucking massive leap to characterize hexbear as a “pro-sexual harassment” environment. You can argue that they are overzealous in who they consider nazis sometimes, but multiple hexbears earlier in the thread did call /u/randint a nazi apologist for defending Adrien Zenz, so it’s clear they considered him a fair target. Hexbear users see hog posting as punching upward at privileged bullies and reactionaries they are powerless against in real life. You can dispute that view, you might even consider them delusional or self-indulgent, but I think it’s an enormous leap to conclude that they are generally in favor of sexual harassment of people.

        • OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml
          14·
          3 years ago

          Someone forgot to remove their dog’s testicles once. It was a very harassing experience. Then I walked through the woods and saw a deer. It turned away and proceeded to harass me. Then I saw a pig and he said:

          image

      • BirdyBoogleBop@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        73·
        3 years ago

        You sent it to everyone who said anything you didn’t like day one of you federating. Lemmy.ml news and politics communities basically just became a toxic waste dump for a month and a half because hexbears thought people weren’t left enough, or thinking that Russia invading Ukraine was bad.

          • YeetPics@mander.xyz
            11·
            3 years ago

            nice whataboutism!

            of course we came in an acted like dickheads, we didn’t agree with your opinion

            Petulant children, mentally and philosophically.

            • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
              139·
              3 years ago

              Your principled critic

              Our bad faith argument

              shrug-outta-hecks you don’t agree with us. Don’t pretend like it’s anything different.

              I don’t see how the baby bieng thrown out cliche applies. We see libs parroting bullshit we reply, there’s no baby to be thrown out when it comes to libs and their propaganda or brainworms

              • BirdyBoogleBop@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                12·
                3 years ago

                Don’t know your specific beliefs but no in all liklihood I don’t agree with you. I don’t think I even remotely preteneded that. We probably agree on some things but I expect our over arching political beliefs are going to be at odds.

                Just for my knowledge is a liberal anyone who isn’t a Marxist-leninist? Are Fascists Liberals under your definition?

                • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  133·
                  3 years ago

                  No, just liberals are liberals. People who ultimately support capital and liberal democracy. You don’t have to be ML. Hexbear is non-sectarian, but we expect internationalist, anti-capitalist, and supportive of intersectional struggle from people on the actual left.

                  Fascism is basically capital abandoning liberalism to defend itself from socialism. So, fascists arent liberals. But sometimes when they get scratched the fash does comes out. Ask the average lib about the homeless, or Roma for european libs.

                  If you care more about how we agrue than what we’re argueing about then you don’t agree with us on anything you wouldn’t abandon in a heartbeat

  • Facebones@reddthat.com
    7151·
    3 years ago

    All I’ve seen from Hexbear is class consciousness shit, but everybody else has made it the key point of their online existence to rage on them and do all the garbage they accuse hexbear of. 🤷

    Sorry y’all can’t adequately explain why giving every cent of the economy to three people is a good thing.

    EDIT: I hear what people are saying but it sounds like, from my limited experience of looking at posts pushed to me from there, that people are using the actions of a few to discredit the beliefs and opinions of everyone they disagree with.

    EDIT2: LOL @ the people calling me names then blocking me for disagreeing with them. Thought that was Hexbear did, not you EnLigHtEnEd TyPeS JFC 😂

    • photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      476·
      3 years ago

      Just try to engage in a good-faith conversation with them. They love to shut that shit down with their weird image spams. And the poop. Like literal images of poop, to scare people off, or something. I really don’t get it.

      • Wugmeister@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        164·
        3 years ago

        The poop thing has sort of turned into a weird inside joke or virtue signal or something. Sort of like how in the dark ages of the pre-internet Era, nerds would quote LotR and Hitchhiker’s Guide at each other to signal that they are nerds and are therefore of one heart and mind

        I think what you are supposed to do is take their shit posts in stride and then shit post back at them. Which I’m not fucking doing.

        • NielsBohron@lemmy.worldEnglish
          18·
          3 years ago

          Sort of like how in the dark ages of the pre-internet Era, nerds would quote LotR and Hitchhiker’s Guide at each other to signal that they are nerds and are therefore of one heart and mind

          You really weren’t there or had a very different experience than me. I mean, I guess by “very different,” I mostly mean we actually quoted Monty Python and Star Wars.

          • Wugmeister@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            5·
            3 years ago

            I wasn’t there, I just listen when people talk. But the point is the virtue signaling. Most social groups have a shibboleth to signal that they are part of the in-group. It’s sort of the inverse of how cult-like spaces will shun a specific thing that The Evil Outsiders have a casual relationship with, like strict veganism or strictly not using anything which functions similar to profanity

            • NielsBohron@lemmy.worldEnglish
              3·
              3 years ago

              For sure. I agree with you completely and see the connection to hexbear. I was mostly just making a joke that my particular circle had different but still very specific inside jokes.

    • Ben Hur Horse Race@lemm.ee
      405·
      3 years ago

      It was the calls to murder anyone who supports a democratic candidate, with the justification that cops have killed homeless people that turned me off.

      that and the stupid image emojis

    • smollittlefrog@lemdro.idEnglish
      378·
      3 years ago

      The issue with Hexbear is that their users tend to talk in a very demeaning and insulting manner. About half of the popular posts on Hexbear are about making fun of people or communities. Their political views are less of an issue; it’s more about their toxic behaviour.

      • Facebones@reddthat.com
        2710·
        3 years ago

        I mean, that’s most people inside the more mainstream American Overton window of mid right to far right, but nobody bats an eye at that because they’re upholding the status quo. 🤷

        • smollittlefrog@lemdro.idEnglish
          135·
          3 years ago

          Do you see instances who’s main purpose is to represent “people inside the more mainstream American Overton window of mid right to far right” that are even nearly as popular as Hexbear?

          If you’re browsing all you frequently see posts from Hexbear users. I’m yet to come across a noticable amount of posts from users from an instance which represent the group you mentioned.

          (I couldn’t even name a single instance that fits that description, because if they exist, they’re not nearly as active as Hexbear.)

          Toxic people exist on all public instances. But on some they’re more common than on others.

          • Facebones@reddthat.com
            288·
            3 years ago

            Yeah, it’s called most of the internet. 🤷

            What you’re saying then is it’s OK to stereotype users and bully them for their beliefs and opinions, then use any response other than quiet submission as proof that they’re bad.

            Cause all the posts I’ve seen from it is mundane, and the only times I’ve ever seen it’s users act a fool is in response to everyone screeching at them for not adhering to popular opinion (usually with no coherent point other than “tankie bad durr” whatever a tankie is, I’m assuming a slur for leftists.)

            Can I punch you then run around telling everyone what a violent cunt you are when you punch me back? Cause that’s what it looks like to me, I’ve been getting alot of wild claims about hexbear but nobody has any point of reference to back it up though.

          • Facebones@reddthat.com
            1911·
            3 years ago

            Yeah, it’s called most of the internet. 🤷

            What you’re saying then is it’s OK to stereotype users and bully them for their beliefs and opinions, then use any response other than quiet submission as proof that they’re bad.

            Cause all the posts I’ve seen from it is mundane, and the only times I’ve ever seen it’s users act a fool is in response to everyone screeching at them for not adhering to popular opinion (usually with no coherent point other than “tankie bad durr” whatever a tankie is, I’m assuming a slur for leftists.)

            Can I punch you then run around telling everyone what a violent cunt you are when you punch me back? Cause that’s what it looks like to me, I’ve been getting alot of wild claims about hexbear but nobody has any point of reference to back it up though.

      • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        187·
        3 years ago

        And who exactly do we talk in a demeaning and insulting manner to? What is that the people we respond to that way say?

        No one who posts this kind of civilty or optics concerns about our behaviour ever mentions that.

        If you’re more offended by our responses than the things we push back against you deserve to be offended

        • Honytawk@lemmy.zip
          12·
          3 years ago

          Thanks for proving their point.

          Nobody deserves to be offended, and the things you push back against isn’t as much of a problem as the way you go about it.

          Civility isn’t in Hexbears vocabulary.

          • OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml
            2·
            3 years ago

            I agree! If only slaves thought to ask nicely for their freedom, they would have just been granted it! Civility is indeed the way!

      • carl_marks_1312 [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        3625·
        3 years ago

        their users tend to talk in a very demeaning and insulting manner.

        About half of the popular posts on Hexbear are about making fun of people or communities

        it’s more about their toxic behaviour

        This can be interpreted as bad faith if you don’t mention towards whom this behavior is directed at.

        Their political views are less of an issue

        Thank you for admitting it’s about the optics (which is not a concern for us)

        • Jax@sh.itjust.works
          179·
          3 years ago

          This can be interpreted as bad faith if you don’t mention towards whom this behavior is directed at.

          It’s easy, you guys direct it at anyone that doesn’t instantly adopt your worldview.

          I literally had your people calling me a bigot for saying that being transgender is, ideally, a temporary state.

          The implication being they finish transitioning and end up whatever.

          I was literally called a bigot for accepting trans people in my own way. Some of ya’ll are fucking rabid, and you absolutely will turn people against you. People that would normally not really care whether or not someone is trans.

          • Facebones@reddthat.com
            610·
            3 years ago

            Some of yall are fucking rabid

            So are 90% of capitalists but y’all don’t bat an eye at that 🤷

                • Jax@sh.itjust.works
                  22·
                  3 years ago

                  Also, yes I call out billionaire worshipping shitlords. I’m just sound enough of mind to understand that communism is far too idealistic to ever actually be accomplished.

                  There isn’t a single revolution that hasn’t ended with a new upper class taking over from the old one, therefore perpetuating the cycle of inequality. Hexbearians happily ignore this about revolution, effectively behaving as if the human element of greed will just magically evaporate with a new world order. Any system of governance that doesn’t take into account human weakness is a worthless system of governance.

      • pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz
        62·
        3 years ago

        We get that they’re toxic, but most people are. Their genocide denial is far more problematic imo.

        Though I have seen them myself and their trolling, vote brigading and harassment is really awful.

      • Facebones@reddthat.com
        9·
        3 years ago

        I do hate these, are they supposed to take up a whole screens worth of blank space each or is that my Connect app being weird about it.

        • axont [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          255·
          3 years ago

          It’s unintended and it’s why I’ve been hesitant to post emojis on other instances. It’s why I used spoiler tags.

          They’re not supposed to be so big. They look more normal sized on Hexbear. I’m told some Lemmy devs are working on a fix for it soon.

          • Facebones@reddthat.com
            10·
            3 years ago

            Fair enough then, alas it doesn’t seem Connect app reads markdown.

            out of curiosity does this do the quote thing to you? Cause it won’t for me, wasn’t sure if lemmy, my instance, or Connect. I just know MD is supposed to work.

            EDIT: oh sure it works when I talk shit about it. Still though, your spoiler didn’t so maybe only some comes through. Idk.