This one at least should be a low-hanging fruit that we can reasonably accomplish, because if anyone at this point still doesn’t see the clear need to abolish ICE and prosecute its agents and officials for their abuses of power and violations of constitutional rights, then they’re fucking hopeless.
Time will tell whether the congressional leadership we’ll have going forward will be willing to push for this. All I can say is that they’d fucking better.
rein in.
As in, pulling a horses reins to get them to slow down or stop, control the horses.
“Reign” is rulership or control, like a king’s reign. Context: “King trump had an unjust reign”.
“Rule in ICE” makes no sense. No, don’t work it backwards like you can “rule” ice.
A king does not “rein” unless he’s riding a horse.
Need to get away from Acronyms that suck. ICE should be the Department of Immigration and Emigration… DIE, no, wait.
It’s funny to think how abolishing ICE is a perfectly libertarian position fitting of Ron Swanson, only because he’s a comedic steelman argument from before most “libertarians” supported Trump.
Which is interesting because this was on my feed earlier today.
It is time to call all these shithead Democrats out.
No! We don’t want ICE reformed, and if you truly think that it is time for you to go.
Here are some useful resources that can be used to list ICE agents and serve as a record to hold them accountable:
- Icepick comprises records on more than 40,000 U.S. Department of Homeland Security employees and contractors. The data consists of full names of employees and contractors; job titles, including roles tied to surveillance and forensics; work email addresses and email group memberships; work phones numbers; and office locations. No outlet in the fact base reports home addresses, Social Security numbers or financial data in the set. Data from Customs and Border Patrol (CBP), Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), and other organizations is included.
- The Ice List is an independently maintained public documentation project focused on immigration-enforcement activity in the United States organised by Crust News. The TOR mirror of the site is here.
It would help if people here were to voluntarily add some information from the Icepick list to the Ice List.
Abolish and prosecute ICE from the top director to the bottommost clerk.
Do not forget the detention facilities and the entire companies that contracted to ICE. Levy crippling fines to the corporations.
Trace policy and contracts upwards into the banks and investors. Find out not just who gave the orders, but who knew and remained involved.
I want this as much as anyone, but the political reality isn’t as easy.
First off - prosecution isn’t gonna happen with this administration. The legislature may have flipped, but the Justice Department is executive. Of course they should investigate and do everything they can to preserve evidence, but they can’t prosecute and if they’re too heavy-handed with the investigation Trump can pardon his gestapo.
Abolishment or defunding are technical possibilities, but I don’t think they’ll be able to get a veto-proof majority. They’d need a bunch of Republicans to flip. That’s actually a possibility in the Senate, where most of the remaining Republicans realize they still hold their seats because of electoral timing. But the Republicans in the House just won re-election, and if you coupd win in this environment you’re pretty safe.
So defending will probably come down to a government shutdown. I personally think stopping Trump is worth a shutdown, but it’s a big political risk going into 2028, and the Dems NEED to win the White House so we can start prosecutions.
“Did someone say give them a whole bunch of money for more training?”
trainingweapons
*rein
To rein something in is to pull on its reins. Has nothing to do with a reign.
Yeah, that bothered me too lol
If it makes you feel any better, they didn’t say that either.
That’s a rather moderate position to take.
Well done, Lemmy!
I’m feeling optimistic lately but still not optimistic enough to hope they’ll abolish ICE and prosecute the nazis. I’ll settle for reigning them in right now.
Ratchet goes <click>
Told you so
Many might br eager to talk, offer evidence about the crimes of their superiors and give insight. That’s why Trump would want them to remain protected from accountability.
If they want to make a plea bargain, I have no problem with giving them the opportunity.
Except the ones that did the killing, and the ones that encouraged it. No pleas deals dot those shitbags. Especially that little Nazi cos-player Nazi that was running around like a Nazi.
I think if his runny mouth spews out sth. that can take others off the streets for a looong while, ideally miller or someone inbetween, that would be worth shaving off a few months.
This situation is a good test for both intent and realism over the next two years among the politically minded on social medias.
A good way to fall short is to insist on letter writing campaigns, or say it’s politically necessary for top democrats to accept ICE.
More specifically I am looking to see how this changes political movements, if at all, when and if the top democrats fail to do much over the next years
What I’m hoping for is the republican party to mostly die after they lose in 2028, and then for the Democrat party to split into two parties: the party that is actually progressive and the new right wing party. Maybe I’m being too optimistic.
I am very pessimistic!
Most of my life I was either apolitical or even conservative. About ten years ago I started to become active in the Texas Democratic Party and ran headlong into voting irregularities by both the computer voting company and my county government. This started an involuntary slide to the left ( true left , not liberalism) as I encountered a brick wall in my weak efforts to make the ballot counting in my area more transparent.
I fully believe most computer ballot counting is not reliable and thus there will be a forever dance between this democratic - republican switching.
But the way out of this has not been seen in this country. I am not sure there is a realistic escape from the above, and fully expect truly bad gop governments in the future which will alternate with Democratic Party governments
