False dichotomy if there ever was one. The small businesses that are burned down or destroyed or emptied don’t have anything to do with the oligarchs or pedophiles, they are often neighbours of the looters. What have they done to deserve that? Sorry, looting them doesn’t further any good cause, indeed, it is just serving the narrative of the opposing side.
Protests, riots are almost never monolithic and desperate people and local organized crime almost always takes advantage of the commotion.
There are already reports of Police antagonists stirring up commotion in these.
There is a very long history of far-right agitators trying to hijack and smear justifiable legitimate protests. Many examples from the 2020 BLM protests.
Foreign adversaries – notably Russia – almost always seizes on these and has a hand in stirring up division.
So the fallacy is the assumption that the people committing the looting are the same people who originally set out to protest the following grievances:
Severe under-funding of schools.
Overcrowded classrooms and lack of air conditioning in excessively-hot climate.
Teacher shortages and schedules.
To again reiterate, much of the time legitimate protests are hijacked by outside groups for their own ulterior motives (political optics, theft, etc.)
The fact that we’re even having these discussions shows how susceptible people are to this brand of propaganda. There people have the vote, the media and protests, remember that they will try to erode your faith in those institutions at every turn.
Meh. Propaganda doesn’t necessarily have to be false; especially when it’s the righteous side that doesn’t have a war criminal at the helm charged by the ICC (much like Bibi).
But anyway this is all tangential to the original out-of-the-blue weirdness of your knee-jerk response to my original comment full of whataboutism and false equivalence, “You think Russia agitates more than Israel or America, LOL?” Indeed, very weird. Audience take note!
That is objectively a good thing when we’re talking about the country that can’t stop itself from starting illegal wars of aggression and doing genocides across the world.
They also cause America to lose hard and soft power on the global stage, lessening its ability to dominate the rest of us, and hopefully leading to its collapse.
You moralizing about what is essentially an uncontrollable phenomenon, is serving the narrative of the opposing side. Nobody is in control of a riot by definition. All kinds of shit is gonna get fucked up. Focusing on individual incidents is falling into a trap that the ruling class lays for a credulous audience.
People plundering stores are very much in control of themselves, give me a break. I don’t blame anyone else for those actions than those who commit them.
I hate when people pull out this stupid straw man argument, “Think of the poor small businesses”. Small businesses in this country are all but non existent at this point, most of them have been forced to close their doors thanks to big chains like Walmart and Target. The closest we have to small businesses in most areas are franchisees from the big chain fast food restaurants.
Sorry, I thought this was relating to the French unrests. There is no Walmart in France. Have a look at the shops that were destroyed and then count how many of them are large chains and how many were local businesses.
Where in the US is that true?! The worst city in America for chain stores can’t quite hit 3 of 4. Almost every state has better than half of stores in the hands of small business.
That man is enough of a landlord that a molotov cocktail is probably justified in some way shape or form. That dude is part of the petit borgeousie for sure.
The guy driving for Uber and getting paid by them as his employer is not a small business owner. He’s a poor proletariat schmuck just like most of us.
Someone that owns their own income generating property. I.e., a business. Which is small. Local definitions put that at either <500 employees or <7.5m operating revenue.
I was wrong though, only ~16% of truckers are small business owners. They’re the ones called “owner operators”. Because they own their own truck.
Technically, anyone filling out form 1099 come tax time is a small business owner.
As much as I like the roof Koreans, they would get firebombed if they were in France, the reason they worked in America was because Americans are pussys and when legit confronted with violence, they piss their pants and run away.
Won’t speak for you, but I’m not getting close enough to toss a Molotov cocktail at a man in an elevated position with a long gun. 😬 (Seriously, reread your comment and think out how that would work IRL.)
The business have insurances, and actually don’t loose at being attacked. Many even benefit of the insurance to renew their shop in a more modern way ; it is at the point police sometimes even doubt the shop owner may have asked to be a target. It can also be a good time to burn accountancy documents when some were a problem, and destroy those stock of merchandises they knew they could not sell (so insurance pay for them).
Yet for some it is a real moral pain to see their shop looted, of course…
Most of the times they find it boring, yes. Yet do you know one that has really lost something after the death of Nahel? In my town most burnt shops reopened fast, renewed, and more attractive than before.
And I can’t remember any casualties for shop owners, beside those who got caught trying to hide the bankruptie of their company as a riot burning (for insurance). Do you know some that had real (unsolved) problems because of riots?
False dichotomy if there ever was one. The small businesses that are burned down or destroyed or emptied don’t have anything to do with the oligarchs or pedophiles, they are often neighbours of the looters. What have they done to deserve that? Sorry, looting them doesn’t further any good cause, indeed, it is just serving the narrative of the opposing side.
Some things to remember:
So the fallacy is the assumption that the people committing the looting are the same people who originally set out to protest the following grievances:
To again reiterate, much of the time legitimate protests are hijacked by outside groups for their own ulterior motives (political optics, theft, etc.)
The fact that we’re even having these discussions shows how susceptible people are to this brand of propaganda. There people have the vote, the media and protests, remember that they will try to erode your faith in those institutions at every turn.
You think Russia agitates more than Israel or America, LOL?
Ah… I see Yandex must be coming back online.
That, or this is China’s 50 Cent Party coming to support its genocidal ally lol.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9y7l0pm8jkko
Holy shit you guys are still running with that propaganda, lmao?
https://united24media.com/war-in-ukraine/russian-bot-activity-collapses-by-84-after-strikes-on-yandex-data-centers-23546
Yes lol (more recent source, btw)
Even that bbc article isn’t conclusive. They are (a) mostly isolating the cloudflare citations, which even that company in your own very article freely admits they cannot fully isolate but also not particularly rule-out precisely the bot activity taking place; (b) only isolate “known russian propaganda networks” and © take the word of Yandex itself (silly lol).
I say, Ukraine should very well strike them all, and let’s confirm it! :)
Slava Ukraini!
I’m gonna go ahead and not believe war propaganda from a country currently at war, lol.
Meh. Propaganda doesn’t necessarily have to be false; especially when it’s the righteous side that doesn’t have a war criminal at the helm charged by the ICC (much like Bibi).
But anyway this is all tangential to the original out-of-the-blue weirdness of your knee-jerk response to my original comment full of whataboutism and false equivalence, “You think Russia agitates more than Israel or America, LOL?” Indeed, very weird. Audience take note!
Yeah it was pretty knee jerk, you right, my bad.
Interesting that you bring that up though, as zelensky and Bibi are close allies, lol.
It doesn’t matter who, the fact is the division and chaos is being amplified from outside.
That is objectively a good thing when we’re talking about the country that can’t stop itself from starting illegal wars of aggression and doing genocides across the world.
The candidates that are more aggressive and genocidal tend to be the ones who benefit from the chaos and division though… ?
They also cause America to lose hard and soft power on the global stage, lessening its ability to dominate the rest of us, and hopefully leading to its collapse.
You moralizing about what is essentially an uncontrollable phenomenon, is serving the narrative of the opposing side. Nobody is in control of a riot by definition. All kinds of shit is gonna get fucked up. Focusing on individual incidents is falling into a trap that the ruling class lays for a credulous audience.
I didn’t say they weren’t. I’m just saying that your observation is, at best, pointless, and at worst, serves the state’s narrative.
People plundering stores are very much in control of themselves, give me a break. I don’t blame anyone else for those actions than those who commit them.
I hate when people pull out this stupid straw man argument, “Think of the poor small businesses”. Small businesses in this country are all but non existent at this point, most of them have been forced to close their doors thanks to big chains like Walmart and Target. The closest we have to small businesses in most areas are franchisees from the big chain fast food restaurants.
Sorry, I thought this was relating to the French unrests. There is no Walmart in France. Have a look at the shops that were destroyed and then count how many of them are large chains and how many were local businesses.
“all but non existent”
Where in the US is that true?! The worst city in America for chain stores can’t quite hit 3 of 4. Almost every state has better than half of stores in the hands of small business.
https://merchantmachine.co.uk/us-independent-stores/
“all but non existent”
Where in the US is that true?!
https://merchantmachine.co.uk/us-independent-stores/
Eh, small businesses come in all sizes. There’s a dude in town that owns ~100 houses and rents them out. He’s a small business owner.
So is the Uber driver that delivers food to those houses.
That man is enough of a landlord that a molotov cocktail is probably justified in some way shape or form. That dude is part of the petit borgeousie for sure.
The guy driving for Uber and getting paid by them as his employer is not a small business owner. He’s a poor proletariat schmuck just like most of us.
On paper both are small business owners.
Most truckers are, too.One sixth of truckers are, too.They’re not. They’re not at all. What do you think a small business owner even is?
Someone that owns their own income generating property. I.e., a business. Which is small. Local definitions put that at either <500 employees or <7.5m operating revenue.
I was wrong though, only ~16% of truckers are small business owners. They’re the ones called “owner operators”. Because they own their own truck.
Technically, anyone filling out form 1099 come tax time is a small business owner.
Well at least you know now why a Doordash or Uber driver is decidedly not a small business owner.
They fill out form 1099…so they are.
If you own 100 pieces of residential real estate, you’re aren’t a small business, lmao.
Edit: also, uber drivers aren’t small businesses
I’m sure that guy that got kicked in the back of the head and has his video game store robbed gives a shit anymore and probably never will.
The French need rooftop Koreans. :)
As much as I like the roof Koreans, they would get firebombed if they were in France, the reason they worked in America was because Americans are pussys and when legit confronted with violence, they piss their pants and run away.
Won’t speak for you, but I’m not getting close enough to toss a Molotov cocktail at a man in an elevated position with a long gun. 😬 (Seriously, reread your comment and think out how that would work IRL.)
In a city envorment with tons of cover? see your clearly not thinking past your fear responce.
They need guns and a super Mario brother
The business have insurances, and actually don’t loose at being attacked. Many even benefit of the insurance to renew their shop in a more modern way ; it is at the point police sometimes even doubt the shop owner may have asked to be a target. It can also be a good time to burn accountancy documents when some were a problem, and destroy those stock of merchandises they knew they could not sell (so insurance pay for them).
Yet for some it is a real moral pain to see their shop looted, of course…
That’s why all the small business owners are chiming in to cheer when their shops are torn to pieces and burned down!
Do you even hear yourself XD
Most of the times they find it boring, yes. Yet do you know one that has really lost something after the death of Nahel? In my town most burnt shops reopened fast, renewed, and more attractive than before.
And I can’t remember any casualties for shop owners, beside those who got caught trying to hide the bankruptie of their company as a riot burning (for insurance). Do you know some that had real (unsolved) problems because of riots?