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So much for the constitution
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This is so stupid. This is written by people who don’t understand 3D printing. This will catch nothing but fake guns that don’t work because they were printed in one solid piece, it won’t catch all the little pieces that you assemble afterwards.
Criminals have easy access to real guns, they won’t bother with printing plastic ones. A terrorist will just go to a place where they don’t monitor to print them.
Oh no, don’t. Firmware can’t be flashed /s
smh
There are devices now that have a SoC that’s completely locked down at the factory, although maybe none are 3D printers. It deserves more attention as the massive threat to digital freedom that it is.
There are devices now that have a SoC that’s completely locked down at the factory, although maybe none are 3D printers.
That has been around for decades. I mean one time programmable microcontrollers has been around since at least the 90s, and probably earlier IDK I didn’t start doing embedded development until the 2000s. I guess devices with readout disabled has been around for about as long. I have no idea how much it is used in 3d printers though.
If you just don’t buy something locked down on a hw level, then because of the tinker tradition in 3d printing, you can relatively easy flash the firmware.
It deserves more attention as the massive threat to digital freedom that it is.
Yes, agreed. My point was on the futility of the law. But the fact of the matter is that the law exists and it shouldn’t from a freedom perspective. This is presented as a DRM issue, not a gun control issue. Should we ban printers because you may print a news article without buying the rights? Should we ban pen and paper because you could use it to infringe on a trademark by drawing it?
That has been around for decades.
TIL! Then it’s interesting that it didn’t get bigger faster, since the idea of locking people into your product isn’t new. Like, Dell could have been doing in 2000 what Samsung is now with it’s phones, and Linux would have been dead in the water.
Edit: Oh right, there weren’t any SoCs yet, at least at full scale. At the very least, you could always get out your probes and flash the ROM that way.
Should we ban printers because you may print a news article without buying the rights? Should we ban pen and paper because you could use it to infringe on a trademark by drawing it?
Of course, history is over, and all governments and corporations are 100% trustworthy. We don’t need to consider that opportunity for evil can’t actually be eliminated, just moved around. /s
Let’s get rid of, or use less, plastic! No, says coffee pods and 3d printers.
While I get what your saying, I do think 3D printers reduce waste as they allow people to fix there own stuff
Yup, plastic parts on headset broke. Could not wear it in a useable manner anymore, taping did not hold.
Printed replacement parts (which I could not buy anywhere), still using it today. Good as new.
3D printing is a blessing if you’re not just using it to print flex-dragons.
The standards will not mandate perfect efficacy – they will allow for “an acceptably low level of evasion” against a bank of identified design files.
So they except this is basically an impossible task. Essentially they’re just going to check that the algorithm can detect the test examples, and then anything beyond that is an acceptably low level of evasion apparently.
They just want to destroy open source firmware. They hate freedom from corporate control, not guns.
The bill requires manufacturers to embed a “firearm blueprint detection algorithm” in every model by July 2028.
by July 2028?? Welp that gives DIY gun-making enthisiasts plenty of time & advance notice to crank out as many guns possible 🤦🏼♀️
Surely you’re not suggesting people not update the firmware on their already purchased and perfectly functional 3D printer.
Not that is matters as this law has zero impact on guns
What? This entire issue is about guns 🤔
No, the issue is about freedom and fighting authoritarianism
This law will not do anything about guns. It will allow the government and private companies to see and control your 3D printer.
I mean it mentions in the article & people are discussing in the comments that the govt & private companies will be able to see & control everyone’s 3D printers to the extent of recognizing & preventing plans to print any component for a firearm.
California needs to start pushing laws to shut down hardware stores, department stores, shopping malls, and office supply stores since you can buy things in those places to also create makeshift weapons.
I have a mini mill in my garage. I makeb ghost firearms as a hobby.
I have a bit of experience with a mill, but even if I *didn’t * these are not hard skills to learn yourself. A couple hundred bucks for a mini mill on marketplace and a few hunted bucks for a blank and some tooling and anybody could be making ghost guns in their living room.
I had never heard of mini CNC mills.
Now I want one.
You can get a mini mill and do a CNC conversion, I know a few guys that have done just that. A few stepper motors and a little code gets you a long way.
They’re using weapon printing as the wedge, but this is really about protecting all manufacturers.
This is the thing imo. Come in under “ban ghost guns” but 10 years from now you try to print a new battery door for your remote and get blocked because the design is the property of Samsung.
Fuck Bambu and co, I’ll keep my voron around as long as humanly possible
It’s more about protecting companies like Disney, Nintendo, etc, not replacement parts. 3D printing is rife with copyright infringement, and companies like those would absolutely love a way to block their IP from being printed, or to be able to sue those who do it.
Even more pointless than DRM on movies.
https://all3dp.com/2/how-to-build-a-3d-printer-from-a-kit-or-from-scratch/
That seems like a nightmare to set up.
Feels like people casually mocking car registration by pointing to the Hot Rod from Home Improvement.
I mean, sure. It can be done. But I failed to install a water cooling kit in my computer after a very long and harrowing weekend. I’m not fucking with this.
It more like mocking car registration because every neighborhood has a few people who can build you a car from scratch in a day, the city already has several thousand car factories that don’t require registration, there’s no mechanism to enforce registration, and the cost of building a new car is a few hundred dollars. The motivation for requiring registration is also to stop people from driving full speed into fast food restaurants is custom built murder buggys. Yeah, you don’t want people to do that but it’s not like it really happens all that often.
Building a 3d printer from a kit is different from building one from scratch. It’s basically screwing parts together and plugging colored wires into matching slots.
every neighborhood has a few people who can build you a car from scratch in a day
How many cars does the city demand be produced each day? Cause my own city of Houston sees over 380k new cars sold annually.
the city already has several thousand car factories that don’t require registration
Itty bitty ones, sure. And they take weeks to produce a working vehicle, of substandard quality.
there’s no mechanism to enforce registration
Until you get pulled over
the cost of building a new car is a few hundred dollars
A plastic car that can go maybe a few hundred miles before falling apart if it’s made perfectly.
Building a 3d printer from a kit is different from building one from scratch
You can build cars from a kit, too. But I’m not going to do that when I can buy a used Corolla or KIA for couch cushion money and drive it into the ground over the next fifteen years.
I’m not sure honestly sure what your point is, because you went a bit too far with the analogy.
Itty bitty ones, sure. And they take weeks to produce a working vehicle, of substandard quality.
This was about regulating 3d printers, not guns. A diy printer, a new drm printer and an old not-drm printer produce the same quality output.
A diy 3d printer is just as durable as a purchased one.
If your goal is to have an unregistered car, or in this case a drm free printer, the law seems silly when you can get one for cheaper than the “proper” one and have it out together in an afternoon if you have highschool level mechanical aptitude.
I’m not sure honestly sure what your point is
3D printers produce plastic crap.
Okay? What does that have to do with the drm mandate being easy to get around?
Is your point that it’s okay to put unenforceable, easily bypassed restrictions on stuff if you think they’re bad?What does that have to do with the drm mandate being easy to get around?
You can get around the DRM mandate with a bicycle. That doesn’t mean you’ve solved the underlying problem
