The one thing that doesn’t make sense to me about this is why wouldn’t they plant evidence that the assassin was a leftist or at least a liberal? Wouldn’t that make more sense if the goal was to increase the odds of Trump’s victory? Though it’s possible that they just didn’t bother or tried to but were too incompetent. Either way, I’m not going to say for sure if it was staged or not until we get definitive evidence, but it is plausible.
Then the democrats would want more proof and more scrutiny in the whole process. Now they swipe it under the rug.
Two things stand out that scream staged.
The photographer were ushered into position just under the president right as the US flag was lowered into position in order to get the iconic photo of him with arm raises surrounded by secret service and the flag.
Also somehow the official whiteboard photographer caught a pic of the bullet in mid flight just a foot behind his head
I know journalists like to go to war zones and such but running towards the target of a shooting with no protective gear is not gonna happen. They also just kind of shimmied into position… There wasn’t any real panic
Also the pic of the bullet is just too much… There’s no way
There’s a photo that has the bullet in mid flight? Is that even optically possible? That should be case closed right off the bat.
Edit: OK I take it back, the photo has it all stretched out as I’d expect.
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No, you need to actually watch the videos, OP is right, its sketchy as all hell. It’s not like the photographers are already there, some G-Man directs the photographers into position like seconds after it happens.
It was coordinated with whoever operated the crane to lower the flag.
They lowered the flag so it was in the photo.
It was coordinated.
There’s a video of all this . You should watch it
My conspiracy theory is Corey Comperatore was a blood sacrifice for Project 2025 ghouls. He was also proof that the gun was loaded with real bullets.
Leading up to the election, Christian fundie social media spaces were stuffed with bible verses (Leviticus and Revelations) and commentary about whether earblood was A Sign. So now they’re shifting the narrative from Trump’s being annointed by god to being the outright antichrist? Even when his supporters seem to be distancing themselves, you can see he’s still the most important person in the world to them. It’s so frigging weird.
To be fair, the Antichrist narrative from everything I have read fits him like a glove. So maybe they are just noticing what was already there as they find ways to de/reprogram themselves
de/reprogram
not exactly deprogramming. Not quite reprogramming either…hmmm … I think they’re distro hopping.
I have a feeling that the handful of pod casters propogating these theories understand thatthey are lying. As for their audience, most of them listen purely for entertainment and some of them are mentally ill.
…since about 1% of the population is schizophrenic, their are about 3 million people in the United States that might think this real.
I have a feeling that the handful of pod casters propogating these theories understand thatthey are lying.
I worry that, like everything else, it’s a lot more complex than that… It’s like on one axis there’s a spectrum from pure grifting to being an absolute victim getting shat on from every angle. On another axis there’s a spectrum of awareness (of ones self and otherwise).
Someone like Trump would be placed as basically a 100-level grifter with almost zero awareness. I say almost, because sometimes he will say something to make you think he does actually know deep down how shit he is, as if he can see his own shadow out of the corner of his eye, but only for an instant, and he won’t do anything about it before he moves on. The Curtis Yarvins, Peter Thiels et al would be near 100 for grifting as well, but also near 100 awareness. Those are the most dangerous to keep an eye on. Lots of those are billionaires, hmm.
Your average shitbag conspiracy/alt-reich podcaster could be anywhere in the middle of this cursed compass. They don’t have 100 grifting. They have some, but only enough to yap and get sponsors. You do need a basic minimum of awareness to maintain that - to be interesting and pass as a human person to some audience out there - but not quite enough to understand how shit you are or do something better or have empathy. It’s self-limiting. They run from very useful idiots (I think rogan probably fits that) to just consistent, static, known quantities that can only attract people who are messed up in a very specific way. (Alex Jones?)
Most people don’t grift at all, just never think of it or it’s a very low-level form of grifting they’re forced into because a bigger grifter is fucking them harder. But all of us are griftees at some point, we all get fucked from some angle and have varying levels of awareness. I guess that’s the “normal” baseline for like 99% of humans.
The ones firmly in the grifter quadrants have their own pecking order though. They play sick games amongst themselves that even the most depraved fiction writers wouldn’t write, because it would seem fake. The rest of us are just pieces on the board to them, running around like hoards of NPCs they get to shuffle around and fuck with. They don’t care about us beyond a number, they really only care about other influential people.
You can investigate someone and find out eventually how big of a grifter they are. But you can’t know what they’re truly aware of unless they tell you. You can only guess. Even if they tell you, they’re grifters so they’re untrustworthy. They try to gain power over each other while attempting to navigate this black box of everyone else’s awareness - who knows what, and who told them, and when, etc. The super-aware ones play the meta with each other’s awareness. And unexpected things happen with that kind of interplay. Sometimes they get their way, but they’re also always fucking up. Which either provides some schadenfreude or chaos down here on Earth.
The shooting was definitely real. The furthest down this conspiracy rabbit hole that I’m willing to go is entertaining the idea that the bloodied ear could have possibly resulted from colliding with SS hip mounted service weapon when he was “tackled” for cover.
That said, no one needs to tell the conspiracy prone MAGA base any of this. He’s spent at least the last decade and a half curating and exploiting the most conspiracy prone (nicest language I can use) people in this country into his following. He deserves worse than this bed he made.
The photographers being ushered into perfect position as the flag lowers kind of gives it away
Honestly, I don’t feel like that is an argument for it being staged. Like if there is a real assassination attempt, of course the first thing I would want is a photo of it, even more if I’m campaigning.
Even just when I had a minor accident on a ski slope against a tree, I wanted a photo first before standing up againThe first thing you would want would to be safe.
I’ve said that since day one. There is no way in hell the draft dodging orange chicken shit would stand up and fist pump while under fire. The fucking loser would piss and shit his pants!
Wait until they find out how wet water is!
Not very actually.
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Science says water makes things wet but it is not wet. Makes my brain hurt.
Oh they’re finally catching up? Wait until they hear about the Epstein files
Recently I also came across this argument: Trump in general thrives of beef. He will bring up some disagreement from 50 years ago at the drop of a hat and holds onto it forever.
The (2 so far?) assassination attempts? Not a word. Doesn’t seem to give 2 shits about being shot at.
Odd at the very least.
Trump not talking about it makes sense to me.
That flapping orange windbag doesn’t understand how a fucking lever works, but if there is one thing for sure he understands, it’s stochastic terrorism. He knows if he gets in front of the media and talks about getting shot at, it’s going to put that idea in the head of a bunch of his radical dipshit supporters who are one or two personal slights from doing a copy-cat shooting.
It was an obvious and clumsy hoax from the moment it happened. It was so obvious, that even MAGA decided to back off, and let it die down. Normally they’d be screaming about it every chance they got, but it went silent within a week.
Trump tried to bring it up a few times during speeches and such, trying to get sympathy, but nobody picked it up, because they don’t want to shine a light on it. The dumbest MAGA motherfuckers bought it, but NOBODY else did. And now even MAGAs are finally admitting that it was a hoax, demonstrating that the whole thing is finally starting to come apart.
And if it was a hoax, then blowing off the head of that scummy MAGA firefighter in front of his entire family was MURDER! So who greenlit this operation? Who planned it? Who supervised it? Who knew about it before, and after? Because ALL those people are on the hook for First Degree Murder charges.
Does this include Biden? Since he controled the secret service that let this happen? No way this could be a conspiracy without him being in on it. Even if the secret service went behind his back, no way he wouldn’t be able to investigate such a fuckup and expose the conspiracy.
Good thing only the secret service have guns, and no other group or individuals could possibly be hired outside of the government
What does Biden have to do with it? He doesn’t control the secret service, and I doubt the Secret Service was in on it anyway.
This was just another incompetent MAGA operation, that barely came off, and didn’t have nearly the result they expected. They though America would be so outraged at an attack on our beloved president, that we would come together and vote for him on a landslide.
Instead, there was overwhelming disappointment that we didn’t get to see his onhead explode on TV, and so they had to go with their first plan to steal the election by flipping votes.
Ah, so this was a planned operation with Trump in on it, but entirely relied on the secret service being incredibly incompetent and getting incredibly lucky. Because the guy who managed to get elected president twice despite being in the Epstein files and in the middle of multiple prosecutions is so incompetent he let some random psycho shoot around him with no plan…
Yeah, that’s pretty much the story. Why would you be surprised? This is MAGA, that’s their normal level of virtuosic incompetence.
As for the Secret Service, don’t give them too much credit. Their best work is done in advance, eliminating threats before they manifest. But when they do have an actual direct attack on POTUS, their record isn’t really that great. Reagan? Shot. Ford? Poor aim, not SS, twice. JFK? Shot. And then you go back to the old ones, like Teddy Roosevelt getting shot and giving his speech anyway.
I can’t think of a single assassination attempt that was thwarted on the scene by the Secret Service. Even if they did, those incidents are outnumbered by their many failures.
Don’t forget, they also critically wounded one MAGA, and literally blew the head off another MAGA. An independent investigation is called for.
Putting aside that you are comparing the secret service from 45+ years ago vs today. A lot of the time when they do their job, you will never know. How many times did someone with a gun see agents guarding the approach they wanted to use and turned around, no one ever knowing? If there was an officer guarding the roof as there should have been, chances are we never hear of this incident.
Nope, 120 meters is just too far away for an accurate shot. If he was shooting to miss and trump nicked his own ear with a razor blade, he killed a guy on stage. Trump was doing a lot of these rallies and the Secret Service was complaining they didn’t have enough time and resources to sweep the areas around each one. Thomas Crooks was just a very smart neurodivergent kid, and when a rally was held a mile from his home, he saw his chance and took it.
I shot a rifle once in my life, at school, as part of a mandatory process. We had half of hour of training. I hit a target 3 times out of 5 from a hundred meters. That was considered above average results.
Good for you. Those targets are quick and a lot of them run serpentine.
But the shooter presumably wasn’t a kid shooting first time in his life.
You’ve not been around rifles or this is satire? 120m is easy target distance.
To nick the ear of a man moving around? Bullshit. If he was trying to miss, he should have aimed for the dirt instead of hitting a bystander. It’s exactly what it looks like, he was trying to kill Trump and missed.
Im saying he was exceptionally skilled to miss just so slightly that it looked real. Hitting a bystander just makes it more real.
Whether it’s easy or not, Trump is too much of a coward to approve this plan if it involved someone actually shooting him.
120 meters is easy against a paper target with low stress. Someone making a speech moves their head more than you think.
That being said, I think the poster is saying that it’s an impossible shot f they were aiming for the ear.
However, faking the ear injury would be easy, and shooting a bystander in the audience is a bonus.
I have to hunt sort of professionally. The optimal target area for roe deer is roughly the size of a human head and easily doable at that distance with a little training.
The rest I agree with. He might also have been an exceptionally good shooter, but judged by how that ear „healed“, I’d agree with you.
Nobody is a good enough shooter with a cheapo AR to reliably hit an ear at that range. It’s probably a 2-3MOA barrel at 100 meters, so you’re looking at like a 2.5-4" spread with the world’s best marksman and match-grade ammo.
Do we know it’s been a cheap ar ?
It was a DPMS A-15. He could gave bought a nicer barrel than what comes stock, but I doubt it.
You forget that Americans don’t need training to buy a gun. And cleaning guns isn’t something you see in most gun YouTube videos. Nobody I’ve talked to, who’s been trained on that rifle would have missed that shot. And I’ve talked to a few.
I know young teens who went from never having fired a gun before, to consistently putting kill shots in a torso shaped target at 300m with a Diemaco c7 (an ar15 manufactured by colt canada) with only a few warmup shots. If you had done just the most basic of training and maintenance, then you should be able to put at least a single round center mass.
Either it was a result of American gun culture, or it was fake.
I actually don’t really care if the assassination attempt was staged or not…
(For the record, I don’t believe it was, because I don’t believe this group of chucklefucks could successfully execute such an event without totally cocking it up somehow or accidentally texting their plans to the New York Times.)
…because I know for a fact that Trump has done so many horrifying things right out in public where we can see them that if there was any functional justice in the world he’d already be locked up for the rest of his miserable fucking life. Faking an assassination attempt wouldn’t even be in the top hundred worst things that he’s done.
I thought it was obvious from the video that he nicked his ear on the secret service person’s belt buckle on the way down when they were piling onto him? It explains the paltry amount of blood that appears only after he’s down, not to mention the optimal healing time. No bullet did that.
I don’t believe it was staged. Everything that came after, yes, lies upon lies, exploiting the situation to its maximum potential, absolutely. But a real rifle was fired, a real bystander was killed, and Trump’s secret service really was incompetent enough to let it happen. No need to invent anything when the obvious truth is damning enough.
Occams Razor may have nicked his ear also? Wait a second, same thing. But yeah 100% this comment above.
The regime took a situation, spun the bejesus out of it. And umm, that is what was offered up. Poor kid could have received some therapy. Turning him into target practice was way way more cost effective and therefore practical. 🤮
Given how pivotal it was to his campaign, I think it’s worth considering how such a thing could be pulled off if it was planned:
People that want to tell stories to drive history need the right characters. Modern information technology makes that easier than ever.
Find a kid with firearm access who’s into something embarrassing online. Preferably someone who wouldn’t shoot the president, so a supporter. Tell him you know what he does in secret and you’ll tell everyone, including police, if they don’t co-operate.
Tell them to go to the chosen firing position and to shoot into the crowd behind the candidate. Tell them you’ll provide protection and a getaway. Tell them there will be a magazine loaded with blanks for them to use at the firing position (they’re live rounds).
When the shots are fired, secret service ties off the loose end without any interaction from the planners, and the kid never even has a name for who put him up to it.
Or tell a crazy person you think there’ll be someone who is going to try to assinate the president and no one believes you on a forum. Drip feed it so you get him to go exactly where you want. .
For your consideration: It’s somewhat well known the reason Trump eats so much fast food hamburger is because he has a fear of being assassinated by poison (due to a lifetime of screwing people over and socializing with the wrong sort). Do you really think that kind of paranoia would agree to allow a mentally unstable kid with a rifle anywhere near him? That doesn’t make sense to me.
It makes sense to me if he trusts the people planning. It’s possible the bullet that killed the person in the crowd didn’t come from the kid, that the kid did actually fire blanks for the narrative while the shooter was someone more skilled and trusted by the campaign. Just spit balling.
Keep in mind, it was either winning or jail for Trump, and this really did turn things around for his run, so there were likely risks he was willing to take, especially if the people planning assured him there’d be no real risk to him.
“if he trusts the people planning” LOL nah.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/aug/25/trump-staff-incompetent-sycophants
You are ascribing a level of logistical forethought to his team that just, isn’t possible. What is consistent with his every action, is that a media obsessed opportunist looked at the “man, woman, and camera” and decided to strike a pose from Breakfast Club or whatever thing he last remembered. Biff Tannen, Home Alone, The Apprentice, yadda yadda.
You think he won through incompetence? Interesting take.
The machine that got him elected was not incompetent. Roger Stone, for example, is a helluva schemer and has been in the game a loooooong time.
I’m not much for introspection, but when you put it like that … yes actually.
I will tell you that I grew up a bit conservative and one of the things that “The American media apparatus and conservative think tanks and their unholy amounts of billionaire funding Koch et al.” did was build up the idea of politics as a sleazeball game to disenfranchise people. I still believe it a bit. Biff had by and large built up a cult following based in no small part that he was at one point an outsider and “tells it like it is”, unapologetically petty, stupid, but also affable and a joker, racist and greedy.
He (was?), genuinely bonafide stupid and watches TV all day and enough people thought that that was their best reflection. “Authentic” but also… really bleak.
We should learn more about him for those exact reasons.
Agreed. Kid “tries to assassinate” the now president and we still know so little about him.
The reason is because he was rightwing, same as the kid who took out Charlie Kirk. It destroys the narrative that liberals are violent when everyone who takes shots at your leadership are from the home team. If it was true, we’d know everything about these people. But it’s not, so the info gets suppressed instead.
Sigh. Exhale. Look down. “Yeah, true Dat.”
Is there any evidence to indicate the shooter was blackmailed?
Of course not. Why would there be? If there was that would be the story instead of a hypothesis.
Then why do you believe that’s what happened?
I believe it’s a plausible alternative explanation.
So purely baseless speculation with no ulterior motive, sure. You’re trying to insinuate conspiracy while maintaining plausible deniability.
Your “plausible alternative explanation” isn’t much different then saying the assassination attempt was conducted by space aliens. We can say all kinds of things if we disregard the need for evidence.
You go ahead and believe the “official” story that a Trump supporter sacrificed his life for the helluvit and it just happened to turn Trump’s floundering campaign around.
What do you mean no ulterior motive? I proposed one very clearly: desperate self-preservation for the shooter, and political points for the planner.
Why would I care about plausible deniability on an internet forum? Am I on trial? lol
That shit was CLEARLY staged, planned, stage managed, etc, whatever.
HIS EAR?? Anyone remember how fast that shit healed? I get a hangnail and it’s there for like 3 weeks
The photo op that was VERY OBVIOUSLY intentional?
The video of his aide shuffling in a WHOLE ASS GROUP of photographers literally THE SECOND shots were fired?
The lady behind Trump that doesn’t even flinch, just films it all?
THE SHOOTERS NAME IS CROOK
And the fact that Trump, the biggest coward in history, draft dodger extraordinaire, rose back up from a circle of protection while he’s just been shot at?? Please. He’d rather those “ idiot security “ people take the hit and die before he risked being hit. I feel if he were in actual unplanned danger he’d be shidding and pissing all the way to the car without a second thought for a photo op.
lol right? he shits himself at a press conference unprompted, if there was actual danger who knows how he’d react
edit: remember when he SHIT HIMSELF on camera and maga just … let it go?
The party of conspiracy theories is finally catching on to this one. 😮💨
Well, the previous theory they held was that God redirected this bullet away from the great and holy warrior Trump and into an evil and unrepentant volunteer firefighter at his rally.
But even they are finding that harder to believe every day.
Is this why they are quoting Ezekiel 25:17?
God redirected this bullet away from the great and holy warrior Trump
They think he staged his own fake assassination, while also blaming Jews and remaining staunch Trump supporters. So just the usual incoherent cultish mumblings, not any actual insight or any movement away from him.
I don’t think it’s staged , but if it were, I think it would be very interesting why they didn’t choose one of their usual targets for fearbaiting (trans, immigrant, leftist) to be the assassin.
I’ve thought about it too and have concluded that the shooter they the got to take the fall was more than willingly to eat a lead sandwich for trumpy. He had a reputation for being the weird conservative kid at school. He had experience shooting long range rifles but it was said he wasn’t that good either. Then add to the that not much was ever learned about him and that’s also suspicious. It’s like the had the perfect guy to use.
I can’t believe Trump would allow live lead to go flying by him.
If it were a real conspiracy, would the shooter actually need to die, though
Keeps them quiet.
The shooter was apolitical from my understanding. He searched for many politicians and his choice of Trump was not due to some ideology but convenience. Trump was holding a rally closest to him.
