Because she doesn’t place Palestinians and Israelis on equal moral footing. Fundamentally, she doesn’t believe they both have an equal claim to humanity. This is obvious because she is proposing giving defensive missiles to the Israelis, but not to the Palestinians, who objectively are at much, much greater need of defensive military aid.
You cannot truly believe both Palestinians and Israelis are equally human unless you recognize they both have an equal right of armed self defense. The Gazans have just as much right to kill in self defense as the Israelis do.
People just can’t handle the fact that sometimes people who are generally good can be really really wrong and need to come to with dumbass conspiracies to explain it.
It’s actually identical to why there’s so many stupid conspiracy theories about everything. People can’t handle the idea that the world is chaos
Of course she’s against the genocide. I don’t believe she’s suddenly “tHe EnEmY” or whatever. But I do firmly believe that this vote was a complete mistake, as do many others. And being vocal about that is kind of our civic duty.
She is still defending sending the millions of dollars for a defensive capabilities. Defensive capabilities that allow them to attack everyone around them with impunity.
Edit* also note if we send them money for defenses that means they can spend more money on offensive weapons. Sending any money to a genocidal Nation no matter what you say it’s for is still funding that genocide.
So if Trump was causing conflicts that put all people in the US at risk, the innocent people who stand against the atrocities should die because we all live under a corrupt leader?
Yeah pretty much. It’s a democracy. You’re responsible for your leaders. Do people not understand that? What you think you have no responsibility after you cast your ballot?
Now do note that wasn’t even the scenario we were talking about, you just pulled this out of your ass. The question was should someone from an entirely different Nation give the genocidal Nation money to defend themselves against the victims of their genocidal attacks. Which is a weird thing to defend I think. This is a nation that literally murders babies for fun and entertainment and you’re giving them a free suit of armor as if that doesn’t make you culpable I don’t understand it. How can someone abrogate that much responsibility? It’s just disgusting.
How is it different? There are plenty of Israelis who condemn Netanyahu and his atrocities. They should be killed because they were born in the wrong nation and more of their neighbors supported this leader?
Netanyahu’s favorably rating is below Trump’s. It’s a fair equivalence.
Condemning all Israelis for the actions of Netanyahu is no different than condemning all Palestinians for the actions of Hamas.
How is it different? There are plenty of Israelis who condemn Netanyahu and his atrocities. They should be killed because they were born in the wrong nation and more of their neighbors supported this leader?
I agree. We should give the Israelis defensive missiles. But only after we’ve given the Gazans enough military aid to protect their own skies against incursion by the Israelis. After all, the Gazans are clearly the ones in much objectively greater need. We only have so many missiles to give. We need to give them to those with the greatest need. Once the Gazans are well defended, then we can worry about providing aid to the wealthy country.
No. I’m talking about giving Iron Dome batteries to the command of Gazan militia forces. If we are going to support Israeli armed self defense, we also need to support Gazan armed self defense. I’m not talking food aid here. I’m talking missiles.
What do you mean how’s it different? You’ve changed the entire question. I say again this is someone from a separate country sending money to the genocidal country. It’s not the same at all. Arguably it’s even worse.
Again though yes. How are you not getting that? It’s your government. You’re responsible for what your government does. It’s not a feudal Lord. You voted for this. That’s what democracy means. Rule of the people. The people are responsible. If you’re genocidal government is committing genocide then you need to stop them. That’s your job. The arrogance of thinking you should be immune to the horrible actions of your nation is amazing to me.
Also I don’t know where all this imaginary pacifist Israelis opposition is coming from. Polls Have consistently shown massive support for genocidal actions. Just a little over a month ago there was a poll released that said 82% of Israelis supported the forced expulsion of all Palestinians from Gaza. Sidebar that’s called genocide. They’re not victims.
So according to your transitive logic, Palestinians are all responsible for the kidnappings and murders by Hamas? All Russians are responsible for Putin’s actions? All Salvadorans for Bukele?
It’s that kind of black and white justification that will perpetuate the slaughter of innocent people. You should really consider that the Geneva Convention and The Rome Statute identify civilians as a protected group for a reason.
Are you saying Hamas ran a democratic state? I’d love to hear you make that argument. How long has it been since they allowed elections again?
But since you’re making absurd leaps let me make one more. During World War II we bombed Germany’s industrial sector. We did it to kill their ability to make tanks and missiles and airplanes. If we hadn’t done that the Nazis would have kept going. Maybe even won the war who knows. The point is it was critical mission to destroy their ability to make war. You don’t think any civilians got harmed in that? So you saying that no matter what crimes no matter what Horrors a nation perpetrates you can never attack that nation in defense because someone in that Nation might get hurt? Do you understand how absurd that sounds? The whole world has to sit down and let genocidal maniacs exterminate entire peoples. Slaughter children by the truckload. Let snipers play target practice on starving civilians. They can do that with impunity because if one person who doesn’t agree with that Nation might get heard in the process then you can’t retaliate. That’s literally the argument you’re making here. Gee I’m sure Netanyahu is a big fan of your argument here.
It’s not really the same I’d say. If you live in Israel, I feel like you can easily move elsewhere. Not sure, just me spitballing that many countries would be ok with them being granted asylum.
You say that like it’s as simple as a choice. I’m in the US. I do not want to live in the US. I do not have the means to move out of the US. To be eligible for asylum, you need to prove that your life is threatened by staying in your resident nation.
I voted against Trump three times, lobby my congresspeople, and am an activist against the atrocities of this administration. Does that make me complicit in Trump’s actions? If so, how do you justify that?
I honestly wonder the population of the people in Israel for and against the war. Because, the origins of Israel is kinda rooted in Zionism and if you live there then you have to serve in the army doing whatever they make you do. But it always seemed like to me that whoever lives in Israel is totally fine with everything going on or just grit and deal with it but not taking too much action.
If you’re in the US, you can also easily move elsewhere. The problem is not whether its legally possible or materially feasible, but whether it’s ethical to force people to do so.
“Killing children is ok as long as they’re Israeli.”
You’re showing your hand a little too much. You’re supposed to pretend to take the high road so that progressives feel they can’t make a difference and fascists win by default. Don’t forget your mission.
Do you have a source? I can only find evidence to the contrary.
Rep. Ocasio-Cortez rejects all funding, donations, and support from by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC). In fact, Rep. Ocasio-Cortez has labeled AIPAC as an "extremist organization that destabilizes US democracy.”
AOC has been bought by the Zios.
She literally just said we should take away their offensive weapons. How on earth does that equal “being bought” by Israel?
Because she doesn’t place Palestinians and Israelis on equal moral footing. Fundamentally, she doesn’t believe they both have an equal claim to humanity. This is obvious because she is proposing giving defensive missiles to the Israelis, but not to the Palestinians, who objectively are at much, much greater need of defensive military aid.
You cannot truly believe both Palestinians and Israelis are equally human unless you recognize they both have an equal right of armed self defense. The Gazans have just as much right to kill in self defense as the Israelis do.
People just can’t handle the fact that sometimes people who are generally good can be really really wrong and need to come to with dumbass conspiracies to explain it.
It’s actually identical to why there’s so many stupid conspiracy theories about everything. People can’t handle the idea that the world is chaos
“really really wrong” is also an overstatement on a post that acknowledges and calls for and end to the genocide?
Of course she’s against the genocide. I don’t believe she’s suddenly “tHe EnEmY” or whatever. But I do firmly believe that this vote was a complete mistake, as do many others. And being vocal about that is kind of our civic duty.
She is still defending sending the millions of dollars for a defensive capabilities. Defensive capabilities that allow them to attack everyone around them with impunity.
So if Trump was causing conflicts that put all people in the US at risk, the innocent people who stand against the atrocities should die because we all live under a corrupt leader?
Yeah pretty much. It’s a democracy. You’re responsible for your leaders. Do people not understand that? What you think you have no responsibility after you cast your ballot?
Now do note that wasn’t even the scenario we were talking about, you just pulled this out of your ass. The question was should someone from an entirely different Nation give the genocidal Nation money to defend themselves against the victims of their genocidal attacks. Which is a weird thing to defend I think. This is a nation that literally murders babies for fun and entertainment and you’re giving them a free suit of armor as if that doesn’t make you culpable I don’t understand it. How can someone abrogate that much responsibility? It’s just disgusting.
How is it different? There are plenty of Israelis who condemn Netanyahu and his atrocities. They should be killed because they were born in the wrong nation and more of their neighbors supported this leader?
Netanyahu’s favorably rating is below Trump’s. It’s a fair equivalence.
Condemning all Israelis for the actions of Netanyahu is no different than condemning all Palestinians for the actions of Hamas.
I agree. We should give the Israelis defensive missiles. But only after we’ve given the Gazans enough military aid to protect their own skies against incursion by the Israelis. After all, the Gazans are clearly the ones in much objectively greater need. We only have so many missiles to give. We need to give them to those with the greatest need. Once the Gazans are well defended, then we can worry about providing aid to the wealthy country.
Oh absolutely. We should be leveraging Israel’s aid to ensure compliance for Palestinian aid delivery and maintaining safe routes.
No. I’m talking about giving Iron Dome batteries to the command of Gazan militia forces. If we are going to support Israeli armed self defense, we also need to support Gazan armed self defense. I’m not talking food aid here. I’m talking missiles.
What do you mean how’s it different? You’ve changed the entire question. I say again this is someone from a separate country sending money to the genocidal country. It’s not the same at all. Arguably it’s even worse.
Again though yes. How are you not getting that? It’s your government. You’re responsible for what your government does. It’s not a feudal Lord. You voted for this. That’s what democracy means. Rule of the people. The people are responsible. If you’re genocidal government is committing genocide then you need to stop them. That’s your job. The arrogance of thinking you should be immune to the horrible actions of your nation is amazing to me.
Also I don’t know where all this imaginary pacifist Israelis opposition is coming from. Polls Have consistently shown massive support for genocidal actions. Just a little over a month ago there was a poll released that said 82% of Israelis supported the forced expulsion of all Palestinians from Gaza. Sidebar that’s called genocide. They’re not victims.
So according to your transitive logic, Palestinians are all responsible for the kidnappings and murders by Hamas? All Russians are responsible for Putin’s actions? All Salvadorans for Bukele?
It’s that kind of black and white justification that will perpetuate the slaughter of innocent people. You should really consider that the Geneva Convention and The Rome Statute identify civilians as a protected group for a reason.
Are you saying Hamas ran a democratic state? I’d love to hear you make that argument. How long has it been since they allowed elections again?
But since you’re making absurd leaps let me make one more. During World War II we bombed Germany’s industrial sector. We did it to kill their ability to make tanks and missiles and airplanes. If we hadn’t done that the Nazis would have kept going. Maybe even won the war who knows. The point is it was critical mission to destroy their ability to make war. You don’t think any civilians got harmed in that? So you saying that no matter what crimes no matter what Horrors a nation perpetrates you can never attack that nation in defense because someone in that Nation might get hurt? Do you understand how absurd that sounds? The whole world has to sit down and let genocidal maniacs exterminate entire peoples. Slaughter children by the truckload. Let snipers play target practice on starving civilians. They can do that with impunity because if one person who doesn’t agree with that Nation might get heard in the process then you can’t retaliate. That’s literally the argument you’re making here. Gee I’m sure Netanyahu is a big fan of your argument here.
It’s not really the same I’d say. If you live in Israel, I feel like you can easily move elsewhere. Not sure, just me spitballing that many countries would be ok with them being granted asylum.
You say that like it’s as simple as a choice. I’m in the US. I do not want to live in the US. I do not have the means to move out of the US. To be eligible for asylum, you need to prove that your life is threatened by staying in your resident nation.
I voted against Trump three times, lobby my congresspeople, and am an activist against the atrocities of this administration. Does that make me complicit in Trump’s actions? If so, how do you justify that?
I honestly wonder the population of the people in Israel for and against the war. Because, the origins of Israel is kinda rooted in Zionism and if you live there then you have to serve in the army doing whatever they make you do. But it always seemed like to me that whoever lives in Israel is totally fine with everything going on or just grit and deal with it but not taking too much action.
If you’re in the US, you can also easily move elsewhere. The problem is not whether its legally possible or materially feasible, but whether it’s ethical to force people to do so.
No she said “I am in favor of giving them free interceptors so their victims cannot retaliate.”
“Killing children is ok as long as they’re Israeli.”
You’re showing your hand a little too much. You’re supposed to pretend to take the high road so that progressives feel they can’t make a difference and fascists win by default. Don’t forget your mission.
Do you have a source? I can only find evidence to the contrary.
https://www.ocasiocortez.com/fact-checks/httpsthehillcomhomenewshouse4287448-ocasio-cortez-rips-pro-israel-group-extremist-organization
https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/alexandria-ocasio-cortez/summary?cid=N00041162
https://www.trackaipac.com/states/newyork
Anyone who uses “zios” unironically is almost always an actual anti-semite.
Just fyi but most Zios, especially in the US, are in fact evangelical Christians who worship Israel instead of Jesus.
See Ted Cruz being interviewed by Tucker Carlson
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