Yeah pretty much. It’s a democracy. You’re responsible for your leaders. Do people not understand that? What you think you have no responsibility after you cast your ballot?
Now do note that wasn’t even the scenario we were talking about, you just pulled this out of your ass. The question was should someone from an entirely different Nation give the genocidal Nation money to defend themselves against the victims of their genocidal attacks. Which is a weird thing to defend I think. This is a nation that literally murders babies for fun and entertainment and you’re giving them a free suit of armor as if that doesn’t make you culpable I don’t understand it. How can someone abrogate that much responsibility? It’s just disgusting.
How is it different? There are plenty of Israelis who condemn Netanyahu and his atrocities. They should be killed because they were born in the wrong nation and more of their neighbors supported this leader?
Netanyahu’s favorably rating is below Trump’s. It’s a fair equivalence.
Condemning all Israelis for the actions of Netanyahu is no different than condemning all Palestinians for the actions of Hamas.
How is it different? There are plenty of Israelis who condemn Netanyahu and his atrocities. They should be killed because they were born in the wrong nation and more of their neighbors supported this leader?
I agree. We should give the Israelis defensive missiles. But only after we’ve given the Gazans enough military aid to protect their own skies against incursion by the Israelis. After all, the Gazans are clearly the ones in much objectively greater need. We only have so many missiles to give. We need to give them to those with the greatest need. Once the Gazans are well defended, then we can worry about providing aid to the wealthy country.
No. I’m talking about giving Iron Dome batteries to the command of Gazan militia forces. If we are going to support Israeli armed self defense, we also need to support Gazan armed self defense. I’m not talking food aid here. I’m talking missiles.
What do you mean how’s it different? You’ve changed the entire question. I say again this is someone from a separate country sending money to the genocidal country. It’s not the same at all. Arguably it’s even worse.
Again though yes. How are you not getting that? It’s your government. You’re responsible for what your government does. It’s not a feudal Lord. You voted for this. That’s what democracy means. Rule of the people. The people are responsible. If you’re genocidal government is committing genocide then you need to stop them. That’s your job. The arrogance of thinking you should be immune to the horrible actions of your nation is amazing to me.
Also I don’t know where all this imaginary pacifist Israelis opposition is coming from. Polls Have consistently shown massive support for genocidal actions. Just a little over a month ago there was a poll released that said 82% of Israelis supported the forced expulsion of all Palestinians from Gaza. Sidebar that’s called genocide. They’re not victims.
So according to your transitive logic, Palestinians are all responsible for the kidnappings and murders by Hamas? All Russians are responsible for Putin’s actions? All Salvadorans for Bukele?
It’s that kind of black and white justification that will perpetuate the slaughter of innocent people. You should really consider that the Geneva Convention and The Rome Statute identify civilians as a protected group for a reason.
Are you saying Hamas ran a democratic state? I’d love to hear you make that argument. How long has it been since they allowed elections again?
But since you’re making absurd leaps let me make one more. During World War II we bombed Germany’s industrial sector. We did it to kill their ability to make tanks and missiles and airplanes. If we hadn’t done that the Nazis would have kept going. Maybe even won the war who knows. The point is it was critical mission to destroy their ability to make war. You don’t think any civilians got harmed in that? So you saying that no matter what crimes no matter what Horrors a nation perpetrates you can never attack that nation in defense because someone in that Nation might get hurt? Do you understand how absurd that sounds? The whole world has to sit down and let genocidal maniacs exterminate entire peoples. Slaughter children by the truckload. Let snipers play target practice on starving civilians. They can do that with impunity because if one person who doesn’t agree with that Nation might get heard in the process then you can’t retaliate. That’s literally the argument you’re making here. Gee I’m sure Netanyahu is a big fan of your argument here.
No, I don’t agree with bombing civilians, regardless of the justification. No, I will not defend the atrocities of the US government simply because I’m a citizen. Governments and military are to blame for killing innocent people, not entire nations.
Wow you are making an argument that Hamas runs a democratic state. Yikes. Wish you would have led with that it would have saved us all a lot of time.
By the way who said anything about defend? I know you’ve moved the goal post a hell of a lot during our conversation but that one’s so far I left field I don’t think it’s in the galaxy.
I said they were elected into power. Do you believe Trump and the Republican-controlled Congress are representing their constituents in our representative democracy?
I have moved no goalposts. I maintain the defense of innocent civilians, regardless of their residence. This became a debate when you suggested there are no innocent civilians in Israel, simply because Netanyahu is the aggressor. That’s wildly narrow-minded.
Yeah pretty much. It’s a democracy. You’re responsible for your leaders. Do people not understand that? What you think you have no responsibility after you cast your ballot?
Now do note that wasn’t even the scenario we were talking about, you just pulled this out of your ass. The question was should someone from an entirely different Nation give the genocidal Nation money to defend themselves against the victims of their genocidal attacks. Which is a weird thing to defend I think. This is a nation that literally murders babies for fun and entertainment and you’re giving them a free suit of armor as if that doesn’t make you culpable I don’t understand it. How can someone abrogate that much responsibility? It’s just disgusting.
How is it different? There are plenty of Israelis who condemn Netanyahu and his atrocities. They should be killed because they were born in the wrong nation and more of their neighbors supported this leader?
Netanyahu’s favorably rating is below Trump’s. It’s a fair equivalence.
Condemning all Israelis for the actions of Netanyahu is no different than condemning all Palestinians for the actions of Hamas.
I agree. We should give the Israelis defensive missiles. But only after we’ve given the Gazans enough military aid to protect their own skies against incursion by the Israelis. After all, the Gazans are clearly the ones in much objectively greater need. We only have so many missiles to give. We need to give them to those with the greatest need. Once the Gazans are well defended, then we can worry about providing aid to the wealthy country.
Oh absolutely. We should be leveraging Israel’s aid to ensure compliance for Palestinian aid delivery and maintaining safe routes.
No. I’m talking about giving Iron Dome batteries to the command of Gazan militia forces. If we are going to support Israeli armed self defense, we also need to support Gazan armed self defense. I’m not talking food aid here. I’m talking missiles.
What do you mean how’s it different? You’ve changed the entire question. I say again this is someone from a separate country sending money to the genocidal country. It’s not the same at all. Arguably it’s even worse.
Again though yes. How are you not getting that? It’s your government. You’re responsible for what your government does. It’s not a feudal Lord. You voted for this. That’s what democracy means. Rule of the people. The people are responsible. If you’re genocidal government is committing genocide then you need to stop them. That’s your job. The arrogance of thinking you should be immune to the horrible actions of your nation is amazing to me.
Also I don’t know where all this imaginary pacifist Israelis opposition is coming from. Polls Have consistently shown massive support for genocidal actions. Just a little over a month ago there was a poll released that said 82% of Israelis supported the forced expulsion of all Palestinians from Gaza. Sidebar that’s called genocide. They’re not victims.
So according to your transitive logic, Palestinians are all responsible for the kidnappings and murders by Hamas? All Russians are responsible for Putin’s actions? All Salvadorans for Bukele?
It’s that kind of black and white justification that will perpetuate the slaughter of innocent people. You should really consider that the Geneva Convention and The Rome Statute identify civilians as a protected group for a reason.
Are you saying Hamas ran a democratic state? I’d love to hear you make that argument. How long has it been since they allowed elections again?
But since you’re making absurd leaps let me make one more. During World War II we bombed Germany’s industrial sector. We did it to kill their ability to make tanks and missiles and airplanes. If we hadn’t done that the Nazis would have kept going. Maybe even won the war who knows. The point is it was critical mission to destroy their ability to make war. You don’t think any civilians got harmed in that? So you saying that no matter what crimes no matter what Horrors a nation perpetrates you can never attack that nation in defense because someone in that Nation might get hurt? Do you understand how absurd that sounds? The whole world has to sit down and let genocidal maniacs exterminate entire peoples. Slaughter children by the truckload. Let snipers play target practice on starving civilians. They can do that with impunity because if one person who doesn’t agree with that Nation might get heard in the process then you can’t retaliate. That’s literally the argument you’re making here. Gee I’m sure Netanyahu is a big fan of your argument here.
I’m saying they were elected into power, just the same as Trump and Netanyahu. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election
No, I don’t agree with bombing civilians, regardless of the justification. No, I will not defend the atrocities of the US government simply because I’m a citizen. Governments and military are to blame for killing innocent people, not entire nations.
Wow you are making an argument that Hamas runs a democratic state. Yikes. Wish you would have led with that it would have saved us all a lot of time.
By the way who said anything about defend? I know you’ve moved the goal post a hell of a lot during our conversation but that one’s so far I left field I don’t think it’s in the galaxy.
I said they were elected into power. Do you believe Trump and the Republican-controlled Congress are representing their constituents in our representative democracy?
I have moved no goalposts. I maintain the defense of innocent civilians, regardless of their residence. This became a debate when you suggested there are no innocent civilians in Israel, simply because Netanyahu is the aggressor. That’s wildly narrow-minded.