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Developing world needs an alternative to Chinese tech::In April 2022, the United States launched its “Declaration for the Future of the Internet.” It asserts that human rights and democratic values must remain
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While corporate America focuses on mainly profits, “fighting for human rights” are just empty slogan, because corporate America is already exploiting human misery for profits. For government, it’s going to be “to prevent China from becoming the dominant tech power in the developing world” that’s going to drive this sort of initiative, which most likely will have mixed results or fail miserably altogether. Chinese exports are already driving the non-elite consumer markets in the developing worlds.
Developing world needs an alternative to American tech.
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I’m not sure competition would help too much. The incentive just isn’t good, because companies tend to focus mainly on price, rather than quality. If a factory makes a worse product, but does it for cheaper, then that is what will get picked.
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I think it depends on shopper and circumstance.
For some shoppers the cheaper item works. For others wanted a better qualiy item isn’t unrealistic, and both are offered on the shelves.
Add to it, you may want a meh quality hammer when you’re just doing work that would really wreck a nicer one
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This is why we all need to shop local. I can’t remember the last time I’ve been to Walmart
I laughed at the anti-globalists in the 90s. I now realize they were right and I was dumb.
Redundancy and self-sufficiency are wayyyyy more important than economic efficiency.
Globalization is a good thing. If nations are involved in mutual commerce and trade, that cements relations and facilitates understanding and peace.
What went very wrong was greed. Every single corporation in the world moved to capitalize on China’s cheap labour and plentiful workforce. And that provided a lot of power for China and other nations, power they are now capitalizing.
The CoViD scare, with the commercial chain of supply broken, was an harsh recall that having thw entire production sector on the hands of a few of countries comes at a steep price.
Let’s reindustrialize. Spread production, have redundancies, competing entities.
This is the best thing that happened to the world in 300 years. The history of the Western World is one of murder, invasions, genocide and imperialism. Now they are finding it harder and harder to invade and murder us as their industrial base diminishes.
Hate to be a downer but murder, invasions, genocide, and imperialism is more of a general humanity thing. China had it’s warring states, Japan had Unit 731, and Cambodia had the Khmer Rouge just to name three examples.
Pretty much every large culture, religion or empire in the history of the world is one of murder, invasions and genocide. That’s kind of how they get big, and it’s in no way unique to the modern (last couple hundred years) western world. History is littered with psychopaths all over the world attempting to conquer the world and slaughtering everyone in their path to greatness.
Oh yes innocent peaceful China, certainly not the worlds longest running imperialist country ever. How many hundreds of millions have been killed in wars by China?
The Chinese government has only been in power since the late-40s/early 50s. Do you contribute the deaths by Nazi Germany to the modern German state?
Ah China, 50 years of culture!
I once saw a documentary on China, in which at some point they visited the National History Museum of China or something alike where there was a huge wall where the nation’s history was depicted.
The Mao era was a tiny bump on a massive history. That country endured every assault from every foreign influence and power and simply progressed forward.
They still see themselves as an empire. The empire.
You’re just mad that you can’t kill our people like you used to.
One-note support of a regime with talking points rather than actual arguments? Smells like a govbot to me…
For non-bots: No one I’ve seen here is arguing that America hasn’t done shitty things. If you want to have China be your imperial masters, you have every right to make that decision, but imperialism sucks no matter who’s running it (hint: it’s not just a yt people thing), and China’s international relations strategy isn’t being run for the good of poor countries, but the good of the Chinese state. I think things tend to go better for the poweless when power isn’t unipolar, so poorer countries can play competing interests off each other, but every sovereign nation gets to make that call for themselves.
I love it when Westerners refuse to discuss their murderous deeds.
Pretty sure I’ve never murdered anyone personally, but I’m actually pretty much constantly talking about my country’s murderous policies. Which ones? Chile? El Salvador? Laos? Iraq? I’m a leftist, I can talk about that shit all day. I think we’re dicks. I’m just also antiauthoritarian, so I think the Chinese government are dicks, too.
Moreover, in a joint statement announcing South Korea’s plan to host the third Summit for Democracy, the United States and Korea promoted “ensuring new and emerging technologies work for, and not against, democratic societies” as a priority.
Does that mean everything has to have a backdoor for the CIA?
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BRICS nations are going RISC-V - for varied reasons - as quickly as they can (and the EU may well follow suit).
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China is a huge producer - if not THE biggest manufacturer - of electronics.
Those two points alone suggest a RISC-V revolution, in BRICS and 3rd-World economies, who like cheaper goods. RISC-V cores have been used in microcontroller roles for a while now, and we’re now seeing RISC-V chips being used as primary processors.
Just like ARM based chips? From low power to main chips?
Worth mentioning that RISC-V is open source and anyone with the means is allowed to distribute it royalty free.
RISC-V designs are still 3 or 4 years off the pace, but closing fast.
The leap ought to come when the extensions that were ratified at the end of 2021 are realised… 2025/2026.
Aren’t those chips more efficient as well?
They can be but it’s up to the hardware implementation moreso than the ISA.
What could be the real impact if suddenly the BRICS and other emerging countries turned to that architecture?
It would mean the diminishing of market share of proprietary US software and hardware.
Linux and *BSD run on RISC-V. RISC-V devices will be shipped with an open source OS and apps. Android users won’t even notice / care about what chip is inside their tech.
And it puts app lock-in to the test.
Let’s hope that move happens.
It would be a blast seeing Linux gathering a lot more influence.
And the notion of running a fully FOSS based system, down to the hardware root is just wonderful.
HEAR! HEAR!!
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Never saw such many buzzwords in my life
“In April 2022, the United States launched[…]” yet another initiative to cut off China in order to maintain sole superpower status in the world because the US love their monopolies (as long as they’re the one with the monopoly). Then they claim they’re doing this for humanitarian reasons. Idiots believe them while thinking they’re immune to propaganda and shout down and downvote anyone on the internet that presents an opposing view.
Too bad open source software doesn’t exist
Too bad open source hardware doesn’t exist either
Lol anything US and China is a big NO No for me
The odds you typed that from a device that wasn’t at least in part designed in the US and manufacturered in China are quite low.
True :(
