Is Fox news unironically the best place to learn about your new favorite social dem?
BTW $30 isn’t like a crazy high number for minimum wage. The current number is well below the poverty line for families everywhere in the United States, and New York has a very high cost of living. Minimum wage is explicitly intended to provide “the wages of decent living.” $30 per hour might actually be too low for New York City. $61,500 a year is barely going to pay the rent in the shittiest neighborhoods. https://www.zillow.com/rental-manager/market-trends/new-york-ny/
If you give your whole life of working hours to a business, the compensation should be a bare minimum of all of Maslow’s hierarchy of needs.
Period.
I’d genuinely be interested to know how many human beings need to work a 40-hour week in order to produce and distribute enough food, medicine, clothing, shelter and education for all 8.2 billion humans, and how many of the rest of us are really just building follies purely just to keep everyone busy.
If tech billionaires insist on continuing to make jobs like “taxi driver” and “checkout operator” obsolete via automation while also refusing to share the proceeds of that automation with the humans whose expertise was used to train said AI and then got replaced, then the question of “exactly how pointless do the new jobs (I mean, ‘influencer’? Really?) need to be before we accept that money has ceased to make sense as the way we incentivize people to not have more kids than the global industrial output can sustain?”.
You’re thinking of garden hermits who often hang around follies.
And yes, most clerical offices and upper management dudes have them buzzing around them in swarms looking busy.
It’s about 20%, according to Ricardian Theorems.
You can have 80% of the population unemployed given the 20% are elite workers using automation and nearly perfect/efficient automated systems (i.e: Not farming by hand trowel, but one person controlling 10 combines/tractors simultaneously like they’re playing Factorio or Farming Simulator)
I agree with your point, but I’ll also say fuck the bare minimum. Any business that cannot afford to pay a living wage has no business being in business. Poverty is exploitation.
Ironically, every level of Maslow’s Hierarchy is behind a paywall.
Self-actualization is only a luxury for the rich.
Not sure I would want my company involved the top three. Bottom two for sure tho!
But having the time and resources to pursue all of them should fit into any lifestyle package.
100%
Back when it was created, it was enough for a single earner to feed and house a whole family, it should always be compared to that metric and adjusted accordingly.
In Zurich, Switzerland, the cost of living is insane. It’s similar to NYC that way. The difference is that their minimum wage is 23.90 CHF / hour which is almost exactly $30 USD per hour.
Because it’s such a high cost city, people earning a minimum wage aren’t living a luxurious life. But, they do live a pretty “normal” life. They can go skiing in the winter (getting to the slopes using trains and trams). They can go out to eat as a treat, or go to a club. They can buy healthy foods, and can easily afford their (mandatory) health insurance.
It means a lot of things are more expensive, which basically means the middle class and rich are subsidizing the people earning the least. And this is despite Switzerland being an extremely right-wing country by European standards. You really see the affect of high minimum wages when you’re paying for things where a big part of the cost is minimum wage labour. Like, if you order food for delivery, you might as well order something expensive and luxurious, because you’re going to pay the equivalent of about $20 as a delivery fee.
It’s a system that seems to work a lot better than what NYC currently has. When even the lowest paid person is “comfortable”, they have more pride in their job, and more confidence in their value. They know they’re not as disposable. It also helps that Switzerland has much stronger unions than the US. 45% of all workers in Switzerland are covered by collective bargaining agreements, which is very low by European standards, but is way, way higher than the US rate of 12.1%.
There are already parallels between Zurich and NYC because of the presence of some extremely highly paid people, especially finance bros. But, Zurich should be a model for NYC, and with a $30 minimum wage, they’d take a big step towards that.
Time to go skiing? NO. They should be working 9 days a week. No one should have time for anything except working to make the rich cunts even fucking richer :/
/s
Have you ordered delivery in New York? $20 in fees and tips are not uncommon at all. But that reinforces the point, things are not usually expensive because of high labor costs. It’s a cost, but businesses that can’t afford to pay for labor are exploitation.
Yep, a lot of people don’t realize 7.25 an hour at 40 hours a week is just about 15k a year. Good luck with that wage anywhere in the US.
Yeah it just sounds ridiculously high in low cost of living areas where Fox’s faithful all live.
They really do hear this as “look at this outrageous tax on small business owners” instead of “oh look a living minimum wage - that would be good for Timmy when he graduates high school next year.”
Sure, that’s how we got here, but that’s not even true anymore. The most destitute and depressed regions still have a higher cost of living than the minimum wage would provide.
It’s true that the minimum wage is a not a living wage. I don’t know when it ever was.
At its inception.
FDR may have tried to frame it that way in 1938 but 25 cents an hour was not a living wage then, either. Not really:
As others have rightly pointed out, the twenty-five-cent minimum wage passed at the time only amounted to the equivalent of a $4.54 per hour minimum wage is 2019 dollars. This wage is enough to avoid starvation but would obviously fall short of the kind of lifestyle proponents of a $15 per hour minimum wage advocate for today.
Fair point. Politicians have always been shitty.
But also, inflation is only relevant to purchasing power, and does not represent the entire increase to the cost of living. Suvival itself has become more expensive because of new expenses that didn’t exist in 1938. More young adults carry a significant debt cost from education, healthcare expenses, home purchases, car purchases, and general debt. Credit was harder to come by, and was structured to avoid long-term repayments. There are also transportation costs, heating and cooling utility costs, internet, cell service, not to mention the cost of food. Fewer people grow their own food, and you cannot survive a Mid-Atlantic summer without air-conditioning.
$4.50 an hour might have been a poverty wage in 1938, but it would represent destitution today.
I make just over $30/hr plus some bonuses. I’m struggling in a midsize Midwest city. I’d need roommates in NYC to live.
Monica and Rachel seem to have a lot of room in their place, they might let you stay if you helped with the rent.
Will I get residuals?
Probably not.
Damn 😔
don’t let great be the enemy of good
I’ll support any increase. I’m just saying that, after it passes, we’re not done.
It’s accountability for the fact that cost of living has risen astronomically and for quite a while since the time that $7.25 or even $16.50 was a livable wage, especially in NYC
Conservatives are going to scream about minimum wage not fixing the problem but the fact is cost of living is not going down even with their best efforts. It’s time to go up, and that’s not an unreasonable amount.
I’m not good at math, but looking at the chart I think the average is dragged up but the huge spike of $5k+/mo units. You can find places for ~$2k/mo that don’t look terrible, assuming the listings on zillow are real. That’s still too expensive, but better than the $3700 average on that chart.
“It could be worse!” is extremely small comfort, though.
$2k a month is $24000 a year, almost 40% of your income. That’s not sustainable, even if you can find low rent places.
I think the recommendation is 30% of income goes into shelter? Not sure if that’s gross or net. You’d want to be making $80k i think, if it’s gross.
Anyway, this is all hair splitting. Basic costs are too high, yes.
my two cents (and if my upvotes are any indication my two cents is worthless) the real problem is that when you raise the minimum wage, you build an opportunity for companies to raise the prices on everything, and then we get into an inflation problem.
Example, my home state can raise minimum wage from 9 to 12 dollars an hour, but that 25% increase in pay would be all the excuse Walmart would need to jack up the prices to cover their loses;
Not saying we shouldn’t have a working/livable wage, but we gotta do something that forces companies to pay the workers more, and the owners/CEO less some how. Like an inverse tax calculation that benefits the company for paying lots of people more, instead of just the few at the time a premium.
I’m sure an economist can explain this better.
Science and reality disagree with your feelings. Do not parrot the disingenuous spam from the oligarchs.
We find that a 10% minimum wage hike translates into a 0.36% increase in the prices of grocery products. This magnitude is consistent with a full pass-through of cost increases into consumer prices.
Yeah, but note that if the supermarket pays its employees 25% more, that does not mean that the costs for the supermarket rise by 25% overall, since wages are only a small part of total expenses. The cost of products would rise way less than 25%.
Holy crabapples! Thank you for that link!
This would assume that these same businesses wouldn’t raise prices regardless, which is what they have already been doing, without the wage increase.
A higher minimum wage is how you force companies to pay employees more. There’s no real way to limit ceo pay that they won’t find loopholes for, but you could try to tie the max to some upper percentage of employee median pay
I think a potential solution to CEO pay and inflation, would be to set absolute income tiers for UBI and jobs. Work as a waitress? You get $40k a year, no more or less. Don’t work? Just $10k, plus everyone gets universal benefits such as free food packages, universal healthcare, and utilities. The highest paying job? $100k. This isn’t considering taxes, which effectively turn the $40k to $30k, and the $100k to $60k. This essentially means that a CEO is only twice the income of a clerk, so the market will be forced to set pricing of goods and services to reflect that.
Of course, advocates of malicious capitalism would scream bloody murder, talk about how some people deserve 1,500x the wage of an average person, and so forth.
Bluntly, I hate the excessively wealthy and want their excess to cease existing. They are a distortion that destroys lives. If there are distortions, they should be the kind that benefit EVERYONE. Not just Bezos, Musk, or Trump.
I think especially in New York going after landlords, both housing and commercial, would do a great job at making it so smaller businesses (which New York has a ton of) don’t have to raise prices and to make it so the minimum wage doesn’t have to be as high. That’s why I think his rent freeze policy and whatever else he is going to do against land lords will help a lot.
You’re not wrong that it can be inflationary, but the inflation has already happened. Besides, productivity is so high these business could afford to pay more with out a price increase, but they want to keep their margins.
That’s one argument against, but it’s not proven true anywhere it’s been tested. Shoppers at Walmart have a price point they expect. They can only raise prices so much before sales begin to falter, and their labor costs are not the most significant cost in their stores. Think about how few Walmart employees you see in their massive stores. Real estate, fixtures, even the utility bills are going to outpace the labor increases. Plus, the additional costs are typically offset by the additional sales that happen because everyone has a little more disposable income.
Chain stores and restaurants charge roughly the same amounts regardless of the local labor rates. Things that do affect local prices are the things that affect unit costs, like tariffs, taxes, and transport costs.
You are completely correct that corporations will use any excuse to raise prices, but they’re going to raise prices as high as the market will bear regardless. That’s not a reason to depress demand by keeping wages too low to survive.
when you raise the minimum wage, you build an opportunity for companies to raise the prices on everything, and then we get into an inflation problem.
Then explain the following to me, please:
In the 1960s, families had enough income that they could easily afford food, housing, and much more.
Why didn’t that immediately lead to an inflationary spiral, as you have described? Why did living conditions remain stable for 20 years or more?
I thought the republicans loved babies.
Wouldn’t they be all over the first two points there?
No, they love unborn babies. Born babies cost the money they want to steal from our taxes.
Same with “support our troops.” Once they are vets it’s time to strip them of all their benefits
“I like people who weren’t captured”
But they can’t prey on or traffic unborn babies. So they still have SOME interest in the born ones.
They want those from the immigrants. Seriously, what do you think all of this immigration crap is really about? They separate the kids from the families and they are putting everyone in camps that are ran by for-profit private, concentration camp companies. So money, power and sex, what it always is
Nah they just prey on the moms instead.
They aren’t pro-life, they’re pro-birth.
The real truth is that most are just actually just anti-sex. “Be fruitful and multiply,” applies to them, maybe to their wife, but definitely not to their daughter.
They like to control unborn babies to birth because they’ll eventually be born with little chance of not being poor.
Keep them poor and stupid; eventually they’ll be old enough to vote republican. Remember, they love the uneducated.
Oh for sure, my saying that I attribute to them goes:
We need the poors to fight our wars and work on our factory floors.
I wish I could do those mental backflips, but for physics and maths.
I’m going to misquote George Carlin here, “if you’re preborn your fine, if you’re preschool you’re fucked”.
No, they love slaves, which babies will become if we withhold from them the necessities of life for long enough.
The ones that live at least.
Because the single most most thing in the entire world to them is making absolutely sure at all costs that no one “bad” ever gets anything for free. Even if that means leaving whole generations of their own kind without a pot to piss in. Better that 100 deserving should starve than one degenerate get a free lunch.
They just like occupying uteruses and vaginas. That’s why so many of them act like douches.
TFW your government literally just hooked a brain dead pregnant woman up to life support against the wishes of her family, to force her to give birth, but somehow tries to paint political promises of baby baskets for newborns as dystopian nightmare fuel.
Wasn’t the baby just delivered a few days ago, very premature? Wasn’t it also known that it had hydrocephaly? (both things not very compatible with life)
Using a braindead woman and her braindead premature fetus as political football against the wishes of her family.
That’s so evil it’s a fucking cartoon. Like twirl your moustache, give an evil laugh, and then steal a blind person’s cane while jaywalking.
Not sure about hydrocephalus, but it was delivered at the earliest point the hospital was willing to do. The chances of the baby surviving are low regardless of other complications like that.
I learned after, the mother was literally rotting on the table. This was only done because it was a black woman without the resources to fight back.
And forced the family to pay for it all. Pure fucking evil.
Baby basket may sound like a weird one without context if you’re not already familiar with them, but I assume he’s talking about a maternity package, or “baby box” which is a wildly successful program in Finland and other parts of Europe. It’s a cardboard box filled with baby supplies, and the box itself doubles as their first crib. It’s not legal in the US ostensibly because of the cardboard, but functionally cuz we like to punish women every chance we get. Anyway, being cardboard causes literally zero problems, they help to prevent SIDS, and they’re cheap.
We should have been doing this for ages.
How does it being cardboard help prevent sids?
They are two separate clauses i think
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cardboard causes no problems
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the cribs help prevent SIDS
I did a quick search and found this:
So its not about the cardboard, its about the makeup of the crib itself
Gotcha, phrasing was confusing.
My bad - but yeah previous poster is what I meant.
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Babies like pretending to be homeless
Who’s Sid?
Not a funny joke
I asked who’s Sid, not who’s not. Your not funny reply didn’t help.
Turns out it’s a syndrome.I kind of assumed you were making a joke, not asking the question in good faith. Perhaps others made the same assumption.
Ok I’m sure bud. It was clearly not a name as it was used in the sentence. It was capitalized as SIDS. When you see a word in all caps like that, it’s commonly understood to be an acronym. The context clues alone really leave no room for misunderstanding to any person with reading comprehension skills that it was not a name of a person.
You made a low effort joke about something you likely knew was a sensitive subject. It was inconsiderate at best.
Double cringe that you can’t just own up to being inconsiderate and unfunny.
Edit: Seems like 0x0 isn’t a troll, just really bad at reading.
Imagine painting no cost childcare and $30 minimum wage as something bad. Ugh. Those poor rich people are gonna be slightly less rich!
I don’t think rich people will be slightly less rich.
Free child care is a no-brainer. More people working, more productivity, more taxes, et cetera.
Free child care might inspire adults to have more kids. Even more people working, more productivity, etc.
We are not doing common sense approaches to fertility. We are only restricting things and then acting surprised when it backfires. Kind of like Russia is doing. Odd.
Yeah but that’s in the future! They want their quarterly profits to looks good NOW.
It’s not fair! Poor people get all the breaks!
hypothetically anyway
Why would a newborn need baskets of babies, that is so irresponsible.
It’s green! Those babies were upcycled!
Gotta fight that declining birthrate. What better way than to dump babies into a home that you know is getting ready to care for babies?
Nice ICQ flower. :)
The right: Birth rates are declining!
The right when they see no cost child care brought up: Socialism bad!
I believe that this is part of the Christian dogmatic pipeline. If you require social services, check your closest church. And of course you will need to be a member in good standing to keep access… Etc
It’s also convenient that churches tend to be de facto segregated by race. We’re not racist, we just setup institutions that happen to work in racist ways.
“That should be the role of the church!” The church proceeds to not do what they said it should.
Hey man, after my local church finished paying off their pastors mortgage they used the last of the money to host a bake sale!
You people are ungrateful commies
Don’t forget about the expensive TVs!
My former religion used to do this a lot. to the point people I didn’t know who heard I was one of them, would ask about these kinds of services. The church doesn’t do any of it anymore. they stopped all their charity efforts of this kind as it doesn’t line up with American Republican values, and those are clearly more important than shit Jesus said. reading any manuals, teaching plans, and so forth that the church puts out makes this abundantly clear. Used to be Mormon. Finally gave up with the anti-lbgtq bullshit and the church hording tithes. literally against the dogma and doctrines of the church. 100%. They still teach in Sunday school for kids that tithes stay local and help people in need Mormon or not. it’s a full on lie at this point. Other than child abuse lawsuits I’m not sure the church spends money on anything.
It’s also convenient that churches tend to be de facto segregated by race. We’re not racist, we just setup institutions that happen to work in racist ways.
And usually praying at any evangelical church
If you’re preborn you’re fine; if you’re preschool, you’re fucked!
- George Carlin
The right: [WHITE] Birth rates are declining! FTFY 😛
Yeah that too.
Umm…will you be our president?
Born in Uganda, unfortunately.
Let’s see how he handles NY. Kids got promise though.
He still has to win. I feel like he will, but still gotta get there first. I half fear for his life, he is exactly the type of person not allowed to win so im sure he has a target on his back which is scary…
I can see it now… And in a massive upset Cuomo wins by xxx write in ballots /s
Just because I think it bears repeating, fuck Cuomo.
Not sure if you know who’s running, but it’s stacked. There is a Republican candidate, the current mayor Adam’s is running as an independent, and Cuomo may or may not be running independently as well which would mean its not a write in at all. I am pretty confident Mamdani will win, but boy, does it show just how bad rich people don’t want him to succeed.
Hmmm.
So… baby baskets to newborns is about SIDS and keeping them alive. No Cost Childcare is about keeping them alive and well, too.
So… about them kids?
Fetuses matter, not children.
Until they’re 18 then they can die for the cause!
Nah,
They’re happier when they’re being shot en masse in schools
Then they can wave their little compensators around screaming about how they’re the real victims because people want to take their firearms away
we should normalize lego collections as dick compensation devices.
legos never hurt anybody. Well. Not seriously, and really, you shouldn’t leave your legos out to be stepped on…
(edit. er. maybe we normalize k’nex. I don’t want to look like I’m compensating with my lego collection. or my erector set)
As a kid, I always preferred the knex. Something about the blockiness of legos has always seems… I don’t know, just boring to me. I want the long spindly plastic not-tubes that barely resemble the stick figure drawing I made of crap!
mega bloks, then? they even have the halo franchise…
I have no idea how anyone can think that baby baskets for newborns is a bad thing.
I actually have no idea what that even means… Could you help me out with some context?
In Finland, parents of newborns receive a cardboard box that doubles as a tiny sleeping space. It’s filled with essentials like diapers, a sleeping bag, small mattress, toiletries, etc.
It’s like your new player gets basic gear at Level 1, minus the bronze sword and 10gp.
10 GP probably isn’t a bad idea
That’s the buying price in the market section of town.
Love the video game analogy lmfao It paints a funny picture
I’m from Scotland and here, every time a pregnant person is registered with the NHS (we have universal free healthcare, which is normal in Europe, so this is pretty much every pregnant person), they’re automatically enrolled for a baby box to be mailed to their home a couple of weeks before the baby’s due date.
The baby box includes a ton of stuff designed to help parents take care of a baby in their first few years, including the box itself doubling as a cot. Loads more details here, it’s been super well received since they introduced it 10 years ago ish: https://www.scotland.org/live-in-scotland/progressive-scotland/baby-box
CA also does this. they give you a lot of baby supplies as you leave the hospital with the baby the first time, it’s super helpful.
Good to know, everywhere should do it!
I’m guessing even in California you have to pay for it though?
In Scotland, doctors offices and hospitals don’t even have cash registers cos money is not something the citizens ever have to think about when it comes to healthcare, I feel sorry for anyone who has to exist in the US where money and healthcare are tied together
HOW DARE YOU GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ALREADY-BORNS, THE FREELOADING ASSHOLES DON’T DESERVE MY TAXEEEES!! REEEEEEEE!!!
I love how “socialism” is a smear in a country that has “e pluribus unum” on its money. Unum, only up to a point, I guess.
That’s not American English though. They didn’t know what it says.
unum -> military ✅
unum -> bailouts ✅
unum -> healthcare for you ❌
Did Mamdani pay for this victory ad?
Ok, so these are the promises. Now actually… you know…
Take all the funding from police. Hire an army of nannies for day cares instead. You will save lives, produce more for society and have extra to give everyone $30 minimum wage
Gotta get elected first, ya know? Kinda hard without that first step.
“Mayoral primary victory”, looks like that might happen.
