There is no evidence this is an official donation fund

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    As per this reddit post, just FYI:

    His full name is registered with the state of PA as: LUIGI MANGIONE.

    Inmate Number QQ7787.

    Currently at SCI Huntingdon (yes HUNTINGDON)

    Address for mail: LUIGI MANGIONE, QQ7787, SCI Huntingdon, PO Box 33028, St Petersburg, FL, 33733

    All mail is scanned by a third-party and then a copy is provided to them, so don’t even think about sending something “extra”.

    To send money (everyone needs money in jail, even $10 goes a long way) you have to go through JPay. And again, need to use his name, LUIGI MANGIONE, and inmate number QQ7787

    DOB is 05/06/1998

    If anyone that’s done time recently in PA sees something is missing in this info, please leave a comment.

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    The thing holding back these donation funds is verification that they’re actually for Mangione’s defense. “The December 4th Legal Committee” could just be a scam.

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    I’ve never heard of “GiveSendGo”, and who is d4legalcomm@gmail.com (the email address listed on the GiveSendGo page)? The fact that it’s some random Gmail is kinda sketchy. Are we sure this is legit?

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    I’m pretty sure the lawyer said he wasn’t interested in accepting donations. I’d be wary of scams. Just be careful.

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    Just FYI give send go is a Christian fund raising site that supports January 6th rioters, and it sounds like they are going to use the donation money for other cases. I disputed the charge on my card and got it refunded after I learned that

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      The article is from yesterday, and slightly updated.

      It looks like it’s now up to $83k

      For how hard fundraising for Luigi has been suppressed, I’m shocked it even got this far at all.

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      I never heard of that place before and I hope a lot of people were not too knee-jerk about it. It wasn’t like, “official” in any sense that I could see.

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      Really? Dude seems like a pro to me.

      He has 30+ years of criminal defense experience, and clearly has some media training (which let’s face it, that’s going to be critical in this case in particular).

      The guy has even successfully appealed the PA supreme court. What more are you looking for in a defense lawyer, exactly?

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        Yeah from that video and the one later he seems to know his stuff. Using “put yourself in Luigi’s position” is the perfect answer to avoid leaking sensitive info about your discussions with your client that the media are constantly prodding for, while still evoking sympathy for the defendant.

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        and clearly has some media training

        I admit I haven’t watched the entire press conference…

        But I think our standards have been drastically lowered by the last election if the dude in that video qualifies as “clearly having some media training”.

        I found this

        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/who-is-thomas-dickey-lawyer-decries-lack-of-evidence-tying-luigi-mangione-to-ceo-shooting/ar-AA1vGIKg

        But it’s like I said, he’s a small time lawyer.

        The most noteworthy case in that article was a robbery turned double murder where the defendant is clearly guilty. I didn’t see anything about appealing the PA SC, but whether or not that’s impressive is highly dependent on the exact case. And it’s not as rare as you seem to think it is.

        I’m not saying he’s a bad lawyer.

        Just that he’s not the caliber lawyer Luigi needs when the full force of the government is going to come down on him.

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      He seems like a pretty good lawyer to me. A lot of non-answers. No speculation or sensationalism. He’s controlling the conversation rather than letting the reporters derail it. Any particular reason you think he’s bad?

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        Well, first off the murder charges are NY and this guy’s has only practiced in PA, so it’s a safe assumption he hasn’t passed the NY bar…

        There’s other reasons, but the fact that this guy literally can only fight the extradition and gun charges.

        I feel like it’s a safe bet that Luigi will need another lawyer

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          Yeah for sure they’ll bring on another lawyer that’s accredited in New York once needed, but that doesn’t mean this lawyer is a bad one.

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            With the money and resources the government is throwing at this, the five best Lawyers in Altoona wouldn’t be good enough.

            Altoona’s metro area is 1/20th of Philly, and an even tinier percentage of Pittsburgh.

            This guy is literally just a small town local lawyer.

            http://tomdickeylaw.com/

            The lawyers at his firm are: himself

            He isn’t a defense attorney, he does worker comp and divorces too.

            I’m not saying he’s terrible, it’s like grabbing the most middle of the road highschool basketball player and throwing him in a NBA Dunk contest and asking why people are saying he won’t perform well.

            They’re not saying he’s a bad HS player, they’re saying he is completely out of his league.

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              For a local extradition hearing it’s probably better to use a local lawyer that knows the judge. Once he gets tried in New York he’ll probably hire someone else.

              It’s not like the extradition hearing is the venue to put up the biggest fight given how much evidence there is.

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      Idk, joking around and feeling relatable are pretty good strategies for making a jury feel more sympathetic to the defense. And as other people have said with how high profile this case being calm and good on camera is important. So far I’ve thought he seemed great.

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        Also, there’s basically no chance he successfully blocks extradition. This is just a delaying action to have more time as a story. Being able to handle media well is probably his primary requirement.

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    why does he need a defense fund? He’s going to be defended either way.

    if they convict him, which they probably will based on DNA and overwhelming evidence, and send him to jail. would he need to pay his lawyers back for their time?

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      A team of lawyers is going to be much better for him than a single public defender ever can do.

      As of right now we have no solid understanding of what evidence there is against him, because the cops could be saying anything they like.

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      Did he give a sperm sample or something at the crime seen? What DNA?

      And public defenders though they are as skilled as any attorney are very much overworked in many places. Private counsel can offer more attention to the details of a case and spend time researching potentially novel theories to defend their client.

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        They can sample DNA now if you’ve simply been in the area. They can sample it off the backpack he discarded in the park. They can sample it off the shell casings. They have his movement across many cameras.

        Remember, they only have to prove “beyond a reasonable doubt”.

        I think lemmy users need to get their head out of their asses with the “we really don’t know if he did it” thing. As much as anyone might think the crime was justified, the evidence is pretty solid. And with such an emotional newsworthy case, they’re not going to bring it to trial unless the evidence is beyond reproach.

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          What do you think DNA is? The thing outside a criminals’s gloves? IRL isn’t CSI Miami. Go swap a NYC sidewalk and see what you get. That’d be a needle in a haystack.

          Remember, they only have to prove “beyond a reasonable doubt”.

          This is like saying remember marathon runners only need to run 26.2 miles.

          It’s not having our “head [in our] asses” it’s a decent respect for the freestanding system of laws. Social media vilianizing or martyrizing people alleged of cromes isn’t beneficial for true justice.

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          They also said they have fingerprints from a water bottle. If that’s true, they can probably get DNA from that. If they actually need DNA.

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          tyranny ˈtɪr(ə)ni

          noun

          1. cruel and oppressive government or rule.
          2. a state under cruel and oppressive government.
          3. cruel, unreasonable, or arbitrary use of power or control.
          4. (especially in ancient Greece) rule by one who has absolute power without legal right.
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            You must know health insurance has a contract with pages of what is covered what is not. But cool, jump on the popular bandwagon for upvotes.

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              Yeah, and King George III had all sorts of shit written down that people in governing roles agreed to. People under tyranny were pretty upset and tried diplomacy back then as well. Violence is what eventually solved it, and the people that went through that wanted to make sure violence was always an option, hence the 2nd amendment. Anyone, Republican or Democrat, that says otherwise is just wrong.

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              It’s akin to saying one can always choose a different power company if they don’t like the terms. Most people get the health insurance through an employer. The choices you get are minimal if any.

              Unless you’re suggesting the best way to avoid conflict is just don’t get sick. Which is another level of wow.

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              I don’t think recalling 15 pages of legal jargon is on someone’s mind when they need emergency medical care. But hey, they totally deserved it for taking an ambulance instead of driving themselves to the nearest in-network hospital 90 minutes away /s

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      I have been called a bootlicker for saying I think he probably killed Thompson. This is what actual bootlicking looks like

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        And killing Thompson is the whole reason people elevate him. If Luigi Mangione is actually just some random dude getting his McD’s after working on his fan-fiction manifesto and printing out copycat fake IDs for lols, then the story isn’t really about Luigi.

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        Hey, don’t lump people like me together with the bootlickers. Being a massive instance, you’ll see a lot more stupid views coming from .world overall, but it’s not representative of the userbase like with lemmygrad or the other political instances