New York police have defended their actions after a bystander was shot in the head as two officers tackled a fare-evader armed with a knife in a busy subway station.

The man was in critical condition after the shooting at Sutter Avenue L station in Brooklyn on Sunday afternoon. Three others, including the suspect, were wounded.

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    Wait so did they find the knife? I was reading reports they couldn’t even find a knife.

    Edit: yup, no knife

    The police said on Sunday that a knife had been recovered and posted a picture on social media. The next day, however, it posted another message saying the knife had been taken from the crime scene by an unidentified man

    I will point out that the story has a body cam screenshot showing the knife, presumably in the suspect’s hand.

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      The clothing in the picture doesn’t match the clothing the suspect was booked in. So it’s still in question.

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        You mean the NYPD would just go out there on the internet and tell lies?!?

        Yeah, not surprised.

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      The reporter actively chose to give the police a pass by using passive voice here. “Bystander shot in the head” sounds like something that just happened or was unavoidable when we’re really dealing with “Police shoot innocent bystander in the head while subduing fare evader.” I mean, fuck, how hard is it to have basic police accountability?

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        Hey, it’s their fault for being in the path of that bullet traveling at 1200 feet per second. They had 0.0133 seconds to move out of the way. They made the decision to keep standing in a dangerous spot

        (/s in case that wasn’t clear)

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      I think “Police shot innocent bystander in the head by accident” accurately captures the situation. The police were the ones who did it, but they didn’t do it on purpose.

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        “accident” is a bad descriptor for something that keeps happening constantly and for which those responsible violently oppose accountability

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    The passive (or exonerative) voice in that article is infuriating. Police tackle the suspect, but the bystander was just “shot in the head”. By whom? Hard to say when you’re licking boots.

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    Janno Liever, the chief executive of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, said that the incident “started because somebody wanted to come to the transit system with a weapon, somebody who… had a history of crime and a history of violence and even gun charges”.

    Yes, and besides those two there was a guy with a knife as well.

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    “Make no mistake, the events that occurred… were the results of an armed perpetrator”

    No, your idiot cop shooting someone in the head was the result of your idiot cop shooting someone in the head.

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      Yeah, 100% the cop’s fault. If a person feels it’s better to shoot an innocent bystander in the head than risk being stabbed, then they’re in the wrong line of work. Get out and let someone with better judgement have a go.

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    Public transit should be fully funded and free and accessible for all to use.

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      I would also accept a “pay what you want” system. Wasting money on enforcement of $3 fares is idiotic.

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        IME this is largely the stance that the LA Metro buses* take, as long as you’re not causing trouble. A lot of the time I get waved on for the card not reading quick enough (resulting in a free ride), and I’ve literally never seen a driver tell someone to leave because their card won’t scan or they don’t have the money for it.

        Which, when you think about it makes sense. The $1.75 or so they’re ‘losing’ from the passenger not paying (the bus will be going that route anyway, regardless of whether they board or not) will be FAR exceeded by the cost of paying a bus driver to sit there with a bus out of commission for however long it takes cops to get there and force someone out, PLUS a literal bus full of now pissed off people who may be missing connections because some bus driver had a stick up his ass. It absolutely doesn’t make sense unless the fare-evader in question is either a chronic problem causer or an immediate threat.

        * trains/subways are a different matter, they have cops checking randomly onboard there to fine people

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    Wish framing were different. Not “innocent bystander”, but a more specific version of “father of 3 on way home from a long day of work”, or whatever.

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      I kind of don’t like this. People are not worth more or less. We should be just as outraged at shooting a homeless immigrant on their way to an appointment for a sex date with a Grindr hookup as with your hypothetical father of 3 on the way home from work.

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        People should be.

        People clearly are not.

        I don’t like it either.

        Many people need to easily picture ourselves in the exact situation.

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        not about valuing one life over another. the idea (I’m guessing) is to describe the victim a bit so folks have some points of empathy

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    Ahh yes clearly the only sensible solution to a man taking the tube ‘riding the subway’ without paying for a ticket is to pull out your Big Gun™️ and shoot him some poor fucking random guy in the head fuck my life bro holy shit

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      “executed by state personel without trial or due process” is more accurate. We should just call police “government agents” .

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      fucking apparently ACABS (all cops are bad shots - fucking stormtrooper arse muthafuckas over here)

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    New York police have defended their actions after a bystander was shot in the head

    This.

    This is the problem already. Instead of “something happened, the officers in charge are temporarily on hold until we have fully investigated this incident” it’s immediately defending the indefensible.

    I’m all for unions but fuck the police union with an umbrella. Defending workers rights is great but this is defending psychopaths, defending no and bad training, defending violence, defending an abusive system that by now has killed thousands over decades.

    STIO DEFENDING THIS SHIT

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    A corrupt-mayor-hiding-body-cam-video-evidence says what?

    Also: “New York authorities have made reducing crime on the subway and buses a top priority following a series of violent attacks, robberies and murders. A crackdown on fare evasion is part of that push.”

    One of these things is not like the others.