Banning people for downvoting posts seems like an overstep of position
Seems like beaver went crazy and jerkface did too. I dont know about you.
Banning people for downvoting posts is the most sensitive thing I’ve actually seen on the internet first hand.
And yet they probably still think people dislike them just because they’re vegan 🤷♂️
This is exactly why non anonymous voting is a big problem for the fediverse
I’m sure you are aware that brigading has been a problem in The Motherland since the very beginning. Now that we have the tools to detect and address such behaviour, are you prepared to say you are categorically against using that information to inform moderation decisions?
Downvoting a post ain’t brigading 😂
Is there not an option in Lemmy to make a community private, or exclude it from /all?
That sounds like what you need if you can’t handle general users disagreeing with you.
I will start working on private communities soon.
We appreciate your work 🫡
Is there not an option in Lemmy to make a community private, or exclude it from /all?
There is no option to hide a community from All at the moment.
Private communities exist, but require to add every member as a mod, unrealistic for anything with more than a few members.
Downvoting a post can be brigading. Voting posts up or down is indeed the primary thing that brigades do.
I did not say that this was an example of brigading. I don’t know that. I pointed out that the views you are sharing imply that you would also be against taking action against brigading.
Sorry you’re having trouble following this. It’s honestly not very complicated. I think if you read the thread from the beginning with an open mind instead of preconceived biases, you will find it easier to follow.
Then tools should be built against brigading. For example, observing high quantity downvotes per unit time, as compared to the general traffic on the post. Then scrubbing or smoothing the votes as such.
That conveniently ignores what the actual issue was, since if Beaver had replied to the request to discuss those actions with the other mods we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Not consulting with other mods before making COMMUNITY decisions was, to my mind, the main reason for being demoded.
If Beaver committed some kind of moderator offense by not responding in the second moderator’s unstated timeframe, then surely that second moderator committed an equal offense by demodding THREE moderators without consulting anyone else. No one even knew that this was up his ass before he went nuclear. I don’t know how you all can look at this and say it is anything less than a transparent coup.
I DID receive a message from Beaver a day before the other moderator went wild with power, stating her intentions to perform a three day moderation blitz where things would be extra strict. Due to the limitations of the medium we’re working in, I don’t know if anyone replied to that, but it hasn’t been mentioned. According to the evidence I have, Beaver was trying to communicate and the other moderator was not.
I note that Beaver has now left the site completely, probably due to the dog piling and bullying. So, job well done. You made people unhappy. Good work, the Internet is safe once again.
I note that Beaver has now left the site completely, probably due to the dog piling and bullying. So, job well done. You made people unhappy. Good work, the Internet is safe once again.
Oh lord. The victim complex is STRONG here.
I would suggest perhaps they left because they were unwilling to take responsibility for the fallout and repercussions of their own actions, which seem to have razzed a number of people.
Oh, I get it now. You’re one of Beaver’s alts.
This is a common thing happening on Lemmy.
I don’t necessarily agree, if a post is clearly within the guidelines of the community, and the mods consider it a quality post, that person probably doesn’t get the community.
Look buddy, I’m just in this post to circlejerk. If you want to argue, kindly go back to the OP
I mean the fact that the 3 of you have a particularly similar aggressive nature and after leaving 1 post all came here to keep up the exact same kind of bitchiness is not helping your argument.
Beaver started banning people for downvoting posts. A fellow mod reached out to Beaver to say that had not been the policy and if they wanted that to be the policy going forward the mods would need to discuss it. Beaver then ignored the request to discuss the new policy that Beaver arbitrarily decided on. The issue here seems to be Beaver, period.
Aggressive? Gasp. BITCHINESS? I am wounded. But I still love you.
Would you care to assay on what justification exists to demod me?
Well I’m not a mod and I didn’t demod you, but from my opinion of how it played out A, you immediately jumped to Beavers defense and said you didn’t have a problem banning people for downvoting, B, immediately tried to downplay them not responding to the mod request to discuss that action, C, based on how you’re responding here sound completely unfit to be a mod which should require a certain level of maturity, and of course D the possibility that you’re an alt.
Thanks. Interesting thoughts.
A) is an opinion and it was stated as an opinion, since the post served in place of the discussion that was skipped. I feel justified in sharing my opinion about the direction I want the community to take. I can’t force my views on anyone, and it seems amazingly insecure to respond to that with a unilateral de-mod.
B) was a request for patience and discussion before people started de-modding each other. But okay, let’s call it “downplaying” for the sake of argument. I don’t see how such downplaying amounts to justification to de-mod me.
C) I can’t respond to but I do find it rather uncharitable. If you can give an example, I’d appreciate that. And D) I can never assure someone who wishes to believe otherwise.
When it comes down to it, it sounds like you are saying the other mod was justified in de-modding me because I voiced disagreement with his choices. Plus a bunch of other stuff about me just plain not deserving to be a mod for reasons I admit I don’t grasp; that I’m just intrinsically deserving of being de-modded. Have I got it?
The only part of your biased, self-serving spin on everything I said which I agree with is the part where you said you are not deserving to be a mod.
Clearly you are not interested in engaging. I still love you, though. I just don’t like you very much right now.
I’m cheering for you.
This whole thing keeps delivering
I have no skin in this game, and just think the drama is funny.
Get the popcorn with margarine out!
Sprinkling in nutritional yeast is the best way to eat popcorn.
Are vegans vegan? Watching mods eat each other brings up weird questions for me.
Fuck, sorry, it was a cheat day. (Eating the rich is still vegan tho btw)
Obviously truth… The richer they are, the more they appear to have IQs lower than carrots.
Eat the rich: it’s good for the country AND your health!
All they did was kick a bunch of mods that were harming a community and trying to create drama without even having the balls to discuss openly the reasons they were banning people. The comments about how a moderator that was there for 3 months should have more power than a moderator that had been there for 11 days (despite one of them not having the wellbeing of the community as a priority) is an amazing joke. https://lemmy.world/post/19731457 everyone should read this post and they will quickly understand after reading op and the comments from people like jerkface why this happened. Posting a modlog without context or explanation is acting in pretty bad faith here.
Also, as a community (lemmy as a whole) we should think if we want to keep people like Beaver who moderates 100+ communities, there are a lot of people moderating way more than they can chew and becoming really stupid, as also seen recently with the bot drama in news on lemmy world. We really love to be repeating reddits problems.
100+ communities,
95 of those are inactive.
There are mods on LW who moderate 10 active communities. Even further, any LW admins can virtually mod all of the LW community.
also seen recently with the bot drama in news on lemmy world.
Indeed.
I take it that was a swipe at me.
Sorry you feel that way.
I don’t do as much moderation as my co-mods, and that’s by design. All our moderators are active and spread across the globe.
I just happen to be the face of the community.
Also, thanks for being civil. You don’t want to see the DMs mods got. It was brutal.
Hi vegans! I’m not really inclined to go anywhere near c/vegan while you’re working all this stuff out so while you’re here let me just take this opportunity to say I admire your diet and stuff. Glad you’re around, hope it goes well.
You have been banned by c/vegan
Can’t wait for this to be lemmy’s /r/Pyongyang
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Modpost on the whole thing:
Amazingly level headed response actually, I have no criticism whatsoever.
I’m just going to take a wild guess that the two downvotes on your comment are two of the three ex-mods, based on their behaviour in this thread
That’s a good post.
Crazy how much juicy drama that community has been providing. The rest need to step up or this place will just be about vegans.
And bean memes… Hey! WAIT A SECOND!
Sorry, this whole thing was a guerilla marketing campaign for legumes all along.
Okay now I’m just getting ready to block Beaver, thejerkface and Thelemmybud because they just keep spamming this all over the place. I don’t know if their intention is to try to drum up support but it should be obvious to them from the number of downvotes they keep getting that their crocodile tears aren’t working.
This is simultaneously the most hilarious and least consequential meltdown on the internet this year.
Even though it’s scientifically unsupportable, I’m still genuinely interested in what it’s like to live on Vega.
Listen up, carnoid of planet Omnius, many geological surveys have shown robust evidence that Vega is capable of harboring all known forms of humanoid life and that its atmospheric makeup in fact provides benefits for cardiovascular health and hivemind coherency.
They grow up so fast.
Poor Jerkface. He’s funny. He threatened to block all of my accounts but didn’t. I like him. He makes me laugh.
Sorry, I did what? “All of my accounts?” Do I know you?
Some months ago, maybe a year, you responded to one of my comments with something along the lines of, “How many fucking accounts of yours do I have to block?” I set about responding to the comment from each of my accounts so you could block them all then I got distracted and did something else.
Vegan coup
The Lemmy/Reddit moderator structure is a failure. Communities should have democratic governance.
On this specific issue I think everyone involved needs to take a deep breath, step away from the issue for like 24 hours, and talk to each other respectfully to work out how this should be resolved. But that is just my opinion.
Communities should have democratic governance.
I’ve seen some instances elect their admins. No mod election yet, but that probably happened somewhere.
To be fair, as a mod myself, the issue is usually to get potential mod candidates in the first place.
I wonder what kind of structure they used. I’m also a mod mainly because somebody has to be. But my communities are small and not controversial so I haven’t had to do anything controversial either. It’s mostly that I’m willing to keep an eye on things.
However, maybe I should walk the walk and start thinking about how that might work in case they grow to the point where more moderation becomes necessary.
I just realized I’ve seen you a lot on /r/Redditalternatives! Nice to see you here!
Likewise. I like to spread the good word as well haha.
It would be fantastic to see an automated system, like with X downvotes a post or comment gets hidden, yet all it takes is one extra click to show it so it doesn’t mean much.
However, the Lemmy devs seem strictly pro-authoritarian so I expect to never see that on Lemmy, unless it is developed and shown to work elsewhere and becomes too popular to ignore. i.e. the power-tripping
godspeople in charge is baked right in as a feature, not a bug (it would seem).But… maybe in Piefed, Sublinks, Mbin, or something else?
