banning puberty blockers for trans kids but allowing cis kids (who have been using them for like four decades without harm) on the start of pride is pretty absurd.
it also shows that it’s not actually about protecting kids but about impose section 28.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the only reason I know of for cis kids to use puberty blockers is as a measure against the condition precocious puberty, which basically means the body is going into puberty too soon.
If that’s correct, then this isn’t really a good argument, because using drugs to delay premature puberty until its ‘normal time’ is very different from delaying ‘normal time’ puberty to a future ‘late time’–the latter moves the body into an abnormal state, while the former movies out out of one.
Isn’t that kind of like arguing that because we’ve been using blood thinners successfully for a long time (leaving out that it’s used primarily on people who are prone to blood clots to treat that condition), that there’s definitely no harm in prescribing blood thinners to people with regular blood?
for cis kids they would take them to delay puberty until a time in the future at which point they come off the blockers and everything works fine, which defeats the main terf talking point of “irreversible changes” or being dangerous to children.
the only difference is that trans children would take them only until they can start taking hormones.
Oh, don’t worry; they definitely want to ban them for cis kids too (or at least girls). The one thing Conservatives the world over have in common is they like their women young.
This is evil. This will lead to deaths of children. Fuck everyone involved. I wish there was a hell for TERFs to go to.
Somehow I don’t think many Tories are TERFs
They are just plain useless pieces of worthless shit
Unless someone is against trans people existing, is there any merit to doing this? Why make a person go through puberty twice just because they’re “too young” to decide?
Trans people have been chosen as the current boogeyman of the UK for them to expiate for their own failings as a country, and for the consecutive disasters provoked by the Tories. It’s a sleight of hand that allows them to distract the public with a fear without basis on reality in order to avoid taking responsibility of their own failures.
Hey, I thought it was the people who come on boats!
Where I live, immigrants are the new boogeymen too. But the Conservatives have a big market in immigrants too, so when “other immigrants, not YOU immigrants” doesn’t work, I guess that’s what trans people are for! Lol
because they know starmer’s labour will continue to go along with it.
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You. Don’t get therapy before getting a tattoo. You do get therapy and medical counceling before starting any sort of treatment like this. Your comparison is ridiculous.
Puberty also has significant consequences. The fact that your body is going to go through it without intervention doesn’t change that there are consequences to consider.
Puberty blockers have been used for decades, mostly for non-trans patients. I’m sure the effects are fairly well understood, as far as any medical procedure can be understood.
My dad got a knee replaced not too long ago. He was told about the potential consequences and everything it may involve. He spoke with his doctor about what it’d entail many times. He made the decision to go ahead with it. He ended up regretting it and generally having more issues than it solved.
Does that mean people shouldn’t be allowed to get knee replacement surgery? Of course not. You talk it through with your doctors (and parent/guardian in this case) and make an informed medical decision. The government shouldn’t be making medical decisions for people, especially for things they don’t fully understand themselves. People should be allowed to make their own medical decisions.
Is your dad an adult who can consent?
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Only elective surgeries that have extreme side effects that simply cant be undone.
First of all, puberty blockers require no surgery.
The benefit of the medical intervention should compare costs and benefits. Even for children we do many medical treatments that can’t be undone because the benefits seem to outweigh the possible negatives that come with it. For example, fixing a cleft lip has some pretty large consequences, particularly socially, and can’t be undone.
We also allow some things that have essentially no positive and don’t have the child’s consent, such as circumcision.
Medical decisions should be made by the patient, their doctor, and their parent and/or guardian if that applies. It should not be made by you. You can’t weigh the costs and benefits for them since you have no idea on every person’s circumstances. If they think the outcome will be better with the treatment then it should be their decision.
Removing choice is not something anyone should be in favor of doing. You would not find it acceptable for other people to tell you you can’t do things you’d like to do, so leave others to make their own decisions. Assuming that you know what’s best for them is controlling and demeaning. They’re far more capable in making that choice for themselves than you are.
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Yes, I do. The side effects include everything puberty does, it affects your height, your bone density, brain development, energy levels, heart problems, the list goes on and on.
They need therapy, and puberty blockers have to be done as puberty starts, and that deadline causes steps to be skipped, things rushed, corners skipped, and once its done, its done. You cant undo it.
Imo, the therapy phase shouldnt stop until they are 18.
yes, you can? we’ve seen countless examples of it for years, in cis children. these didn’t just pop up into existence.
Remember when they said they werent coming for our kids? I remember. Ill remember for next time too.
Yeah that was a possessive our. So they were taking about their own kids.
WTAF is happening right now.
Sir? SIR! Stop the train, I demand to get off at once!
As you step off the train you are met with the void. As the last glimpse of the train disappears you realized you are doomed to wander the void forever.
(I honestly don’t really know were this comment is going. It just sounded funny in my head.)
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TERF island is at it again, huh?
All this time everyone thought we loved tea, turns out it was actually just TE
What does TERF mean?
Trans-exclusionary radical feminist.
They generally refer to themselves as “gender-critical feminists”.
The first part “trans-exclusionary” is pretty self-explanatory. “Radical” meaning they believe the whole system needs an overhaul, and mostly comes from the branch of feminism that TERFs/gender-criticals grew out of.
I prefer the term Feminist Appropriating Ridiculous Transphobe (FART)
I prefer Trans Exclusionary Radical Dipshit (TERD).
Trans exclusionary rad fem. It’s a radical feminist that basically believes that your gender assigned at birth is fixed and cannot change
Not quite - they believe gender is a social construct, to the point that it literally doesn’t exist, and the material reality of your biological sex is all there is. Historically, sociology followed biology, and sexual dimorphism is therefore the root of inequality between the sexes (particularly the fact that only females bear children). It’s a compelling argument, particularly to a Marxist.
People can dress how they want though, none of my business.
Terf island strikes again.
I want to propose a few different meanings of TERF
Trans exclusionary radical frauds
Transphobia extreme rat fucks
Terrible egotistical rich fascists
Totally elbow rash fungus
Feel free to add your own.
Taliban-equivalent reactionary fascists
