The Biden administration has asked Congress for more than $105 billion for Ukraine, Israel and U.S. border security, but so far Republicans in the House have said no.
  • PatFusty@lemm.ee
    4626·
    11 months ago

    The EU should never let this happen. Europeans love to shit on the US on how much we spend on the military and simultaneously form a queue to get on knees for sucking uncle sam dry when they need defences. Help your neighbors you leeches or fuck off. Dont put this on the US.

      • PatFusty@lemm.ee
        64·
        11 months ago

        Good thing this post is how the war can be lost if the US delays funds and not EU.

      • vsh@lemm.eeEnglish
        224·
        11 months ago

        They need soldiers not money. And europe is FULL of deranged people who would get there at first sight.

        Ukraine just needs to let them come.

        • fosforus@sopuli.xyz
          7·
          11 months ago

          Ukraine just needs to let them come.

          I think they’re not stopping volunteers. Integrating them into the military is a challenge of its own though, they’re not just Civilization army units that you can move around and they’ll behave like any other units.

    • Diplomjodler@feddit.de
      124·
      11 months ago

      For years the consensus was that the Europeans would accept US hegemony in exchange for protection. But that’s no longer the case. But tell me, what exactly will the US gain from having a more assertive and militarised Europe?

      • tacosplease@lemmy.world
        141·
        11 months ago

        It makes SO MUCH sense for the US to spend money here. We spent 5% of our military budget for Ukraine to take out around half of Russia’s army. So 5% to kneecap our biggest adversary is too expensive for the Republicans? Conservatives are a fucking cancer.

      • PatFusty@lemm.ee
        54·
        11 months ago

        consensus was that EU would accept US hegemony in exchange for protection

        Yeah i dont think this was ever true. Even if it was true, why shit on your protection and crying when you need it? The US would gain not having to spend so much on military outposts in the EU/NATO if you guys stopped relying on the US for protection. Increase the taxes on your citizens a bit more to get the military spending you need. This way, the US can finally get some proper healthcare. Everyone wins, right?

        • Diplomjodler@feddit.de
          53·
          11 months ago

          Ha ha, you’re a funny one. Do you really believe for one second, that any money saved on the military would actually benefit regular people? The US already spend more per head on healthcare than any other country and yet outcomes for normal people are atrocious. Who do you think pockets all that money?

        • Buddahriffic@lemmy.world
          32·
          11 months ago

          It’s not military spending in the way of proper healthcare in the US. The current system makes a lot of money for a bunch of people directly and others indirectly and fixing the system would cut off that profit so they are willing to use their wealth to ensure that wealth keeps getting topped up.

  • conditional_soup@lemm.ee
    9·
    11 months ago

    Be me, Putin

    Man, Fuck NATO, I want a buffer zone between us and them

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    I’ll just annex some territory and make it a buffer state.

    Oh shit, now NATO is closer than ever!

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    What to do?

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    I’ll just annex some territory and make it a buffer state

    • Diplomjodler@feddit.de
      61·
      11 months ago

      Nah, just buy some politicians of your biggest adversary and you’re golden. They’re cheap. Really cheap.

  • firewyre@lemmy.world
    613·
    11 months ago

    Look I’m all for being in this to win it. But we can’t be the only ones helping.

    • teegus@sh.itjust.works
      142·
      11 months ago

      you’re not

      Edit: Norway has given 1.6% of gheir GDP in aid, US, 0.3%. So, Norway has given 6-7 times more per capita (as they have a larger gdp per capita). The US is actually way down the list in aid per capita.

      • firewyre@lemmy.world
        57·
        11 months ago

        Nice, then they shouldn’t automatically lose if the US can’t get its shit together.

        • teegus@sh.itjust.works
          3·
          11 months ago

          Depends what happens to european aid… and even though the EU, together, has given more than the US, that doesn’t mean the US is not a significant contributor. I really hope they get their shit together because Ukraine needs all the help they can get.

  • CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world
    822·
    11 months ago

    Do you know how apathetic I feel when my country gives hundreds of billions to fight this war and most of the people I know can’t afford to live? We work harder than ever, are as productive as ever, get so few days off, only to pay for bombs landing in countries we can’t even pick out on a map.

    I want Ukraine to win. I want it badly. Ukraine will ask for more and more money so long as there is war. They will get it. Please don’t delay. So will genocidal Israel. And I will be living with my parents until I’m 30. Uncertain if I can afford healthcare.

    I know who to be mad at and I want to feel good supporting just wars. But I go to pay my bills, I stand in line at the grocery store, I turn the heat off in my house, and all I hear are the bombs.

    • TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee
      291·
      11 months ago

      We are not “giving” hundreds of billions of dollars to Ukraine.

      We are giving them mothballed weapons that are going to rot in a wearhouse somewhere, then replacing them with new weapons that are manufactured right here in the US and that industry whether you like it or not employs thousands of american workers.

      Its important that this fight is won by Ukraine because:

      A) a win by Russia and they control a MAJOR food producer and can affect food prices on a whim.

      B) the US letting it happen proves we won’t stick by any ally and our word is useless. Good luck finding help in a major war.

      C) the US walking away gives a green light to China to invade Taiwan. Making them the sole producer of high-end computer chips.

      There is so much at stake with this war. it’s not even funny.

      • mctoasterson@reddthat.com
        1·
        11 months ago

        My concern is that we can give Ukraine millions of dollars of small arms, artillery, aging tanks etc. but they still need capable personnel to effectively employ it. From what I have seen it seems they were already scraping the bottom of the barrel and pressing older and older men into service via conscription. We know the Russians aren’t concerned about how many bodies they throw at the conflict because they have supplemented their own forces with convicts, political dissidents, and poor conscripts.

      • CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world
        26·
        11 months ago

        Like I said, I want them to win. It’s important they win. For all of the reasons you gave. All I’m saying is that it gets harder and harder to support and hope for others when I feel like my family is drowning and I know that my neighbors are too. I know a lot of it is weapons funding, some of it isn’t. I wish we treated the people at home as importantly as we do world conflicts, that’s all I’m saying. Does no one else feel that apathy?

    • Rapidcreek@reddthat.com
      212·
      11 months ago

      People like you always amaze me. Do you think if we didn’t spend billions of dollars for this war then it would be used to help peo0le who can’t afford to live? To Republicans, that’s worse than aid to Ukraine.

      • CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world
        36·
        11 months ago

        Friend, I support Ukraine and the aid they’re getting. I don’t support republicans and never will. And I won’t do their work for them here. I don’t know how this got lost and turned into such a political thing, I was just expressing that our money for war is near endless and yet we have unaffordable housing. I want to fund Ukraine AND I want people around me taken care of. All I was pointing out is apathy and I know I’m not alone in that.

        • Rapidcreek@reddthat.com
          52·
          11 months ago

          I appreachiate that, but the fact is there is a political line of resistance in helping the poor and Ukraine.

    • Diplomjodler@feddit.de
      111·
      11 months ago

      The same people who are making your life miserable also support the guys who start those wars.

    • Chaotic Entropy@feddit.ukEnglish
      5·
      11 months ago

      Just like with Israel, the US “gives monetary aid” on the proviso that Ukraine turn around and hand it straight back in exchange for military supplies from US companies. Let’s not pretend like the US and its defense industry isn’t making out like bandits in this conflict and achieving the most cost effective US foreign policy intervention on Russia to date.

    • NOT_RICK@lemmy.worldEnglish
      16·
      11 months ago

      Was the American revolution any less America’s fight just because the French were paying for it?

  • IninewCrow@lemmy.caEnglish
    246·
    11 months ago

    *The United States Ukraine could lose the war if the U.S. delays military aid, top Ukrainian official says

  • GarlandKey@programming.dev
    463·
    11 months ago

    Ukraine was always going to lose. A few choice groups have been getting their pockets lined with cash in the mean time.

      • GarlandKey@programming.dev
        227·
        11 months ago

        What does Ukraine “winning” mean to you at this point in the war? When you’re targeted by a much larger nation state that has every tactical advantage against you, you’re going to lose.

        Look at every nation the United States has invaded over the last 60 years. Would you say any of them won? When hundreds of thousands of your people die violent deaths, it’s hard to declare victory. Even if you remain independent, you lose.