Those aren’t narratives – those viewpoints were based on factual trends.
Honda lost their ways
Last few years, Honda has been fluttering on the edge of top-5 – either way outside it thanks to the 1.5T problems or right at #5. This is a pretty big drop from being #1 or #2 for a long time. Again, they’re stuck at #5.
Mazda eclipsing Toyota
Mazda was ahead in 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022. Toyota finally climbed back in 2023 and now “2024” (this is the latest ranking).
Hyundai killing it
If you’ve spent time here, you’ve clearly seen the opposite of those sentiments.
What’s behind the trend? Honda/Toyota’s CR ratings dipped (presumably) because of major redesigns/new releases. Mazda, barring from the I6 and SkyActivX, has been using the same 2.0, 2.5, 2.5T + 6sp for how many years? Why the drop-off in CR ratings now?
Predicted Reliability reports are just silly in general. How do you judge reliability on something that hasn’t been out long enough to even see the reliability?
I bet you go back 5 years and look at these reports and see if they are accurate and they are probably way off.
Kia and Hyundai make junk. At least they make some good looking junk. But the drivetrains have proven to be unreliable with constant recalls and blown engines.
Only reason people rag on Honda is because of some V6 and transmission issues, which were exaggerated and overblown, along with they them not having a “dedicated” RWD sports car anymore like a S2000 as if FWD sport-ish economy cars weren’t their main enthusiast attraction since their inception.
Hyundai is killing it in the design department… offering a great lineup of cars with good features at attractive pricing… but this doesn’t really relate to reliability.
Look at the Mazda cx90 and you will see there is tones of engine malfunction there. I know this is an all new model. But it is hurting its reliability score for sure
If you look at the model breakdowns, Honda’s score is really really really propped up by just the HRV and non-hybrid CRV.
I’m sure the overall score is weighted according to all responses instead of by model, but enthusiast perception is usually average across all models not weighted by model popularity, because enthusiasts usually buy the niche performance vehicles instead of the barebones cheapest model that gets the high score and heavy weighting.
So if we did a average of average model scores:
Toyota would have 70 instead of 76.
Lexus would have 70 instead of 79.
Mazda would have 69 instead of 67.
Acura would have 62 instead of 70.
Honda would have 60 instead of 70.
Hyundai would still have a score of 56.
Which matches the narrative of the subreddit pretty exactly.
This doesn’t fit the narratives:
Those aren’t narratives – those viewpoints were based on factual trends.
Last few years, Honda has been fluttering on the edge of top-5 – either way outside it thanks to the 1.5T problems or right at #5. This is a pretty big drop from being #1 or #2 for a long time. Again, they’re stuck at #5.
Mazda was ahead in 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022. Toyota finally climbed back in 2023 and now “2024” (this is the latest ranking).
If you’ve spent time here, you’ve clearly seen the opposite of those sentiments.
Honda is effectively 3rd because the top 5 is basically only 3 brands. They are still one of the most reliable cars you can buy.
They’re going back up because the 1.5T oil issues have been fixed.
What do you think made Toyota fall off for those 5 years?
Last year the tundra decimated things with like a 66. Every other model was like 80s
What’s behind the trend? Honda/Toyota’s CR ratings dipped (presumably) because of major redesigns/new releases. Mazda, barring from the I6 and SkyActivX, has been using the same 2.0, 2.5, 2.5T + 6sp for how many years? Why the drop-off in CR ratings now?
Hyundai is junk garbage they literally give you the car with a lifetime drivetrain warranty
Ehhh, the fit and finish of Hyundai is far better than Honda
Was not aware rattling was an issue in Hondas, I only have anecdotal evidence that’s not the case, has there been any data on this?
Predicted Reliability reports are just silly in general. How do you judge reliability on something that hasn’t been out long enough to even see the reliability?
I bet you go back 5 years and look at these reports and see if they are accurate and they are probably way off.
Kia and Hyundai make junk. At least they make some good looking junk. But the drivetrains have proven to be unreliable with constant recalls and blown engines.
My new Accord has been just as much of a tank as my 09 Civic was lmao
Why do you get downvoted lmao, maybe cause it’s only been 5 months but still
fuck if i know, im not wasting anymore of my brain’s energy today to figure out why
It is known that Hyundai still isn’t super reliable. Their generous warranty is what has propelled them forward, along with their styling change.
Only reason people rag on Honda is because of some V6 and transmission issues, which were exaggerated and overblown, along with they them not having a “dedicated” RWD sports car anymore like a S2000 as if FWD sport-ish economy cars weren’t their main enthusiast attraction since their inception.
It’s because their rwd cars were so good that we want more of them.
Hyundai is killing it in the design department… offering a great lineup of cars with good features at attractive pricing… but this doesn’t really relate to reliability.
Look at the Mazda cx90 and you will see there is tones of engine malfunction there. I know this is an all new model. But it is hurting its reliability score for sure
Everything built by Mazda has always been solid as a rock as long as it didn’t have a rotary engine. The unreliable Mazda were poisoned by Ford.
If you look at the model breakdowns, Honda’s score is really really really propped up by just the HRV and non-hybrid CRV.
I’m sure the overall score is weighted according to all responses instead of by model, but enthusiast perception is usually average across all models not weighted by model popularity, because enthusiasts usually buy the niche performance vehicles instead of the barebones cheapest model that gets the high score and heavy weighting.
So if we did a average of average model scores:
Toyota would have 70 instead of 76.
Lexus would have 70 instead of 79.
Mazda would have 69 instead of 67.
Acura would have 62 instead of 70.
Honda would have 60 instead of 70.
Hyundai would still have a score of 56.
Which matches the narrative of the subreddit pretty exactly.
Mazda has been solid since the Skyactive-G engines came out and separated themselves from Ford
Also subaru in #6. A lot of you guys on this sub act like they are total shit because of a problem they had 12+ years ago