savagegeese discuss the Civic Type R after owning the vehicle for over a year. Its an interesting video from the perspective of both an automotive journalist and long term owner.
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It’s interesting how YouTube and Reddit viewers have different reaction between each platforms. The Type R philosophy went sideways when Honda dealerships decided to be greedy. Retailers of premium watch brands should do the same and just say it goes to charity anyways……
Interesting to hear Mark and Jack use of a lot of the same words they use to describe modern BMW to the Type R. Lackluster steering, synthesized engine noise, fancy diffs to put the power down, competent engine that pulls hard but may lack the noise and theatre of older engines.
I’m not sure if the lack of sound applies to the b58. Just with a dp it sounds amazing. After adding an exhaust, I don’t listen to music anymore.
Oh I love the way the B58 sounds. I was more pointing out how the SavageGeese channel uses a lot of the same verbiage from their point of view.
It’s not a bad car. It’s certainly an improvement over the prior generation, which was obscenely over styled and look like a child’s toy. But for that kind of coin, there’s definitely other things I’d prefer
This one goes for over $300k in Singapore
Vespa goes for over $100k in singapore, I don’t think bringing out that car-hating place in discussion have any point
While the last gen was over styled, they do seem a bit of a bargain now considering they have depreciated and the new one is significantly more expensive.
Their performance is very similar.
I agree the performance is definitely similar and there is a value proposition there for used models, but I still have to look at a car I drive everyday, and I just can’t get past the looks. But that’s personal preference of course, and looks are subjective
For all the people that said it was overstyled and that they’d “buy it if it didn’t look like a transformer”, in my lifetime I have yet to see a single FK8 ‘un-riced’ let alone un-winged yet I see a dozen 10th gen Si/sport hatchbacks with the Type R wing a day
300 horses out of a 2.0 is gonna be a highly strung handful.
Have you seen a dyno chart? In a Hondata video, the engine makes more than 220lb-ft at 2000rpm, 355lb-ft at 2900rpm, peak torque of 359lb-ft at 3400rpm and stays over 300lb-ft between 2500 and 5600rpm.
The character isn’t high-strung, so maybe it’s the boost level that you’re concerned about. 27psi peak boost sounds high until you realize million-mile semis are pushing up to 32ish psi daily.
Companies like Subaru, Ford, Citroen, Renault have been doing it for a while.
My dad owns an FK8 Type R, and so I have quite a bit experience being in it, and I just really can’t get over how much they calmed down the styling. The old Type R was just ridiculous looking, which was awesome, the new Type R looks like a Civic with a bolted on wing.
I’m the opposite. Don’t mind the new one but wouldn’t swap out my fk8.
New one looks way better imo. Old one looked like a little kid’s car.
Isn’t that almost every Type R every before FK8 and the weird hatch in the 2010s. The FG chassis literally was a body kit over a regular civic.
Yes, but still, I loved that just 1 car just looked absolutely ridiculous without going up to something like a 1LE camarom
They’re absurdly expensive. I was looking for a CTR or ITS and they were just as much if not more expensive than what I got my Supra for depending on the dealer.
So glad I own one of these. It’s a shame the experience in the US is so bad because you don’t understand how good/fun it is until you drive one properly.
I noticed you mentioned that the ND2 miata is really the only reasonably priced car left that embodies the spirit/feel of older cars. And you said the CTR is somewhere in the middle between a modern isolated car and the older car experience. Where does the GR86 fall? In between the 2?
Can someone explain to me what Jack is talking about at 31:05 about the GR Corolla having suspension components coming loose from NVH and something about the brakes? And where is this info from?
Why does this car exist? It’s slower, more expensive, and less efficient than all of its competition. Even a base 4 cyl mustang is better in every measurable way.
It is essentially purely a track attack car. It is not good for drag racing. It has to perform at high RPM’s for long periods with a lot of turns, like a track. Also daily drivable with it being a hatchback. I get it
This discussion is stupid, especially the people whining about markups. Markups aren’t a problem. If dealerships can’t keep cars in stock at MSRP, why should they sell at msrp? By the way, the “S” in MSRP stands for “suggested.” Not mandatory, not required, not market … suggested. A car is worth what the market deems the car is worth. Which means that if you want to pay MSRP and the dealer knows they can get more, why should they sell to you?
Before anyone complains about capitalism (this is reddit after all), the Type R is a luxury item. Want to pay MSRP or below, get the base model Civic or the 30 other cars and trucks that don’t have extraordinary demand and lack of supply. You can buy anything from Jeep to BMW for MSRP or less, just by walking into the dealership.
I think this is the only channel where I don’t skip the sponsor segments. These tuxmat ads crack me up
My dad is going to sue you for this comment.
Man it would be nice to read some thoughtful comments about the CTR on this sub that weren’t all about ADM in the US. Lots of countries don’t have the same fucked dealer laws and we can get these cars (with some waiting).
I love my new CTR, handles like an absolute weapon.
Civic Type R is one of the coolest cars made today. Stop hating
It shouldn’t be this way :(