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Her Instagram post, translated in the link:
“Come on settlers, we will slaughter you. We are waiting for you in all the cities of the West Bank. What Hitler did to you was a picnic. We will drink your blood and eat your skulls”
She has since been arrested:
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Individuals such as this should never be given any sort of publicity.
Unfortunately we are in the age of sensationalism, and lunatics like this one are widely reported because it drives more page views and more clicks.
And she’s 21. Like, I feel, as a society, we can comfortably take any brilliance from a 21 year old as someone who has a special insight worthy of sharing, but we can also disregard any of the more outlandish shit that comes out of 21 year olds mouths. A lot of 21 year olds are brash and full of bluster. All that can be written off as immature horseshit.
Again, some are wise beyond their years, or have a decent head on their shoulders and spend their fresh adulthood wisely, doing good. They can have bright, new ideas that should be listened to…but this is not a new idea, nor is it worth reporting. Except as propaganda. Which is exactly what this article is, let’s not kid ourselves.
“Outspoken 21 year old says something horrible and outlandish!” Implied: [see what we’re up against? This particular group of HORRIBLE PEOPLE needs to be “relocated.”] Yes, what this person said was horrible. Yes, there are stupid people who are angry and using that anger inappropriately. But this does not change the current situation. An occupying force is wiping out a long-suffering people with the imperial might of the most war-hungry nations and capitalist enterprises in its ear and at its back. This is not a noble endeavor because some 21 year old said something wrong, the 21 year old is wrong for saying what they said. But…so is what the state of Israel is doing to the Palestinian people. The children dying have nothing to do with this idiot. She is nothing more than convenient war machine propaganda.
This isn’t an isolated incident. It’s one of many posts by influencers like the Hadid sisters, Mia Khalifa, and more. She’s an idiot, but she’s representative example of Palestinian sentiment at the moment.
The children dying right now are the result of an unrelenting campaign of violent hate speech and teaching hatred in schools.
You can’t blame the children dieing on anyone but the people responsible for actually dropping the bombs and shooting the bullets.
Violence is almost never the answer, and indiscriminate violence actually never ever is.
No one but the children are without fault in this conflict, but still far too many (more than 0) children pay the ultimate price. You can wage war without killing children, it just costs more. But if you can’t pay that price then the war can’t ever be considered just.
A 16 year old is a child, right? Let’s look at some semi-hypotheticals and you tell me who you think is to blame:
- A 16 year old with a butcher knife who has already stabbed two people
- A 16 year old being told to stand next to a jeep in the middle of a firefight
- A 16 year old shooting a rifle
- A 4 year old boy who is forced to be next to a senior commander 24/7 who holds the boy in front of him when the shooting starts
War is hell, and it is complicated. Child soldiers will die, and there will be civilians caught in the crossfire. The is no track for this trolley that has 0 children. Any military has to balance the number of civilians killed vs the risk to its own soldiers vs the likelihood of killing their intended targets. If you expect them to sacrifice hundreds or thousands of soldiers just to avoid a few civilians, you grossly misunderstand how the world works. Most military forces will certainly be unwilling to sacrifice a single soldier for a single civilian, even on their own side.
Then Israel must be punished for their disproportionate response.
What is proportionate to the brutal murder of 1400 people, including women and children?
What is proportionate to the ongoing rocket barrages on civilians?
Seriously though - what do you think Israel would do if you were in their shoes? Would you unconditionally surrender and allow Hamas to commit genocide?
I would ask what you think is proportionate to the 10,000 dead civilians on the other side of the fence but I’m not going to do that, math is clearly not your strong suit. I hope they haunt you forever. I’m not a religious ethnostate, if I was in their shoes I would take them the fuck off.
Well killing 10,000 people is not exactly proportional. I guess technically it is since that proportion works out to 50:7.
- The punishment for murder should never be murder
- The person shooting the unarmed civilian
- If the 16 year old is engaged in the fighting and is a soldier then he’s no longer a civilian and thus fair game. The people putting rifles in the hands of kids and telling them to fight are to blame.
- Someone using a kid as a literal meat shield in an actual firefight is an insane hypothetical. But shooting the kid to kill the commander can’t ever be considered the moral/just/right answer.
You’re just apologizing for war. Why? What’s so good/important about war that you need to defend it? Why is it insane to expect nations to not kill civilians?
War is not a good solution and it should never be the first solution. But it exists and burying your head in the sand and pretending it doesn’t exist is just naive.
By the way, every single one of those examples is real and relatively recent. Today, a 16 year old kid stabbed two border police in Jerusalem and was shot dead by a third. In May 2022, a 16 year old girl was ordered to stand next to an Israeli jeep while they were in a firefight with PIJ fighters. A 13 year old shot two people in January and was killed by one of the men he shot. There have been more than a few talking heads that have claimed the last one, but I doubt there will be any credible news reporting on it.
These are just a handful of examples from recent times. Most of them won’t compare to what happens inside Gaza where the fog of war is going to be thick and intentionally so by both sides.
Legally and morally yes in amongst every country. Including Israel.
Ed: I should say according to the talmud no one is adult until 18.
Well, I can see you’re not from Iran
I can only find this reference for the Talmud, which is pretty clear that it’s only a recommendation to marry at 18 instead of 13
We’re not talking about Iran.
The law in Israel civilly is 18, the rest is fairly basic and obvious.
I see your indoctrination and raise it with Israeli racism. If you can post propaganda, I can too. Let the truth win out.
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Shut the fuck up, live in an open air concentration camp for awhile and see how you feel about the occupiers.
You forgot violent hate speech from both sides. Jewish children are indoctrinated to hate the Palestinians too.
I didn’t forget the hate speech on the other side. But they don’t include it in their official government sponsored school curriculum.
Dude wat
The first is literal satire - it’s the Israeli equivalent of SNL. Perhaps you’d prefer their take on the BBC
The second is a religious school and is clearly not a regular part of the curriculum - whereas there are plenty of examples of Palestinian hate speech in textbooks.
The second is a religious school and is clearly not a regular part of the curriculum
That’s exactly what a Palestinian would say about Zionist hate speech. You should know that’s hypocrisy. I don’t dispute the racism of the Palestinians. Do I really need to find multiple examples of Israeli’s being racist towards Palestinians? I think you and I both know they’re out there. To pretend both sides are hateful and racist to each other is disingenuous and hypocritical.
I understand perfectly what you’re saying. Antisemitism is a huge problem. That’s not up for debate. There are a lot of stupid people mistaking antisemitism for “pro-Palestine.” Not just anti-Israel—which is the appropriate response— but for legitimate antisemitism.
It’s like third wave feminist-come-latelies that mistake misandry for feminism. That’s not positive nor is it helpful. In fact it’s a problem in and of itself. And yes, this information/political identity literacy needs to be addressed.
BUT. The existence of stupid people does not negate the fact that there is a systematic elimination of Palestinian people by the IDF/Israeli state. You can call that a lot of names, but to avoid likening this atrocity to any historical one for cleanliness of explanation, I will stick to that description: a systematic elimination of a specific identity group from a state/territory. This is the much larger, much more immediate problem that needs to be addressed.
What complicates this issue and conflates these two issues (unnecessarily) is Israel itself, using the shield and cudgel of “antisemitism” to protect itself from MUCH NEEDED criticism and to muddy the waters of this discussion. When you put anyone on the defensive, having to fend off the label of “antisemitic” when they’re trying to criticize the Israeli state for the…well…genocide that it’s perpetrating on the Palestinian people, it furthers the decimation of the Palestinian people.
And, again, to clarify, antisemitism IS A HUGE PROBLEM. And there are a lot of political-discussion illiterates debating this issue in 140 characters or on protest signs—all without much more thought than “I need to be on the right side of this issue”—which leaves no room for the nuance of making this clarification.
Do you see what I’m saying?
There is a place for legitimate criticism of Israeli policy - but I draw the line at calling for the death of Israelis. It isn’t criticism; it’s just hate speech.
The problem that I’m trying to pull up here is that this is not an isolated incident of a single person posting hate speech. There is a large group of people who celebrated the events of October 7th, and are passing that hatred on to their children through education.
…you’re still not grasping my point, though. And this is the exact problem. I very clearly stated that calling for “death to Jews” or any kind of shit like that is a massive problem. Yeah, that’s antisemitic and antisemitism is wrong. It’s a problem that some people can’t differentiate between criticism of Israel and going after Jewish people. Yeah, it’s a problem and anyone with a brain agrees.
And that’s the thing right there. Amplifying the idiots that don’t know how to be anti-occupation/anti-israel without being antisemitic is propaganda. Why is there an article about this idiot making horrible statements? This article doesn’t try to discuss the nuance that I’m trying to discuss, it’s simply saying, “look at what THE ENEMY is saying! How can you NOT support Israel?!”
The Israeli govt and the lobbyists and all of the nations are all using “antisemitism” as a SHIELD against criticizing Israel/the occupation. They’re amplifying what this 21 year old is saying because it helps to turn public sentiments in favor of Israel/muddies the waters of what is happening.
It’s like the Russian propaganda amplifying the far-right/white supremacist factions in Ukraine so they can say “we invaded Ukraine to rid it of NAZIS!” Does the problem of white supremacy/far right/Nazi sympathizers exist in Ukraine? YES. But to use that as some kind of justification is beyond absurd. ANYONE WITH A BRAIN can see past it.
And ANYONE WITHOUT ULTERIOR MOTIVES won’t repeat that nonsense. The same is true of this issue. Do we need to discuss and rid the world of antisemitic sentiments? OF COURSE! The same goes for far-right/white supremacist/Nazi sympathizing.
These problems exist. They are worth putting energy into. But IN NO WAY are they justifications for the invasion/occupation happening.
Now do you see what I mean?
I posted this article because I knew it was a matter of time for someone to post the Al Jazeera article and it would lack the proper context that this is hate speech, and that the evidence is very much towards it having been written by her.
That happened by the way. I’d link it for you but I’m on mobile now.
My justification for the invasion of Gaza is the actions of Hamas on October 7th and their actions every day since then, not people writing hate speech on social media. What I’m trying to say is that there is no viable option for long term peace so long as hate speech like this exists and their educational system drills it into every single child.
Now do you see what I mean?
Hate speech will always exist. The defeat of the Nazis in WW2 didn’t end antisemitism. It didn’t even end fuckin nazism. The civil war didn’t end confederate sympathies. The fall of the USSR didn’t defeat Stalinism. The war on terror didn’t end terrorism. The war on drugs didn’t end drugs.
So to say, “I support apartheid because hate speech exists” is…genuinely insane. Wars on ideas and behaviors NEVER end the idea or the behavior. And to somehow believe that they CAN, somehow, maayybe this time! work is nothing more than either lying for ulterior motives, or you’re somehow convincing yourself.
Did the war in Afghanistan and the way in Iraq make sense because of 9/11? OF COURSE NOT. There were ulterior motives for those invasions. There are ulterior motives for this extermination. And they’re actually being perpetrated by mostly the same goddamn entities.
Let me just ask, do you now say that you support the “war on terror” and “operation Iraqi Freedom” because 9/11? If you don’t buy into that rationale, then you will have to explain to me how you could possibly be buying into this one.
—also, if I didn’t make myself clear: the bush wars bred ISIS and only served to boost Al qaeda strength/positioning. And the extermination of the Palestinian people is causing a massive surge in antisemitism. Again, as I stated in every single one of my precious comments: THIS IS WRONG, ANTISEMITISM IS NOT THE APPROPRIATE RESPONSE TO THIS CONFLICT. But it is very much a response. Terrorism is ALSO wrong, but the war on terror served as the greatest recruitment tool fundamentalist extremist groups ever had. So if your ultimate concern is ending antisemitic hate speech, you’re very much on the wrong side of this issue.
That’s great. Maybe prioritize.
is this the part where I tell you that that report was made by a totally non-biased Israeli NGO who’s entire modus operandi seems to be trying to discredit the UN via smear campaigns
Even if you throw out this report because of who wrote it, rather than looking at the content, there has been plenty of coverage of hate speech in Palestinian educational curriculums for many years. Even the UNHRC included references to it in their 2019 and 2023 reports. The EU was threatening to pull funding because of it.
Don’t teach kids to hate.
Not sure that I would call Mia Khalifa a representative of Palestinian sentiment considering she is Lebanese. Bella Hadid has expressed sympathy for Palestinians killed as well as Israelis. Either way, the Hadids were born in the US.
The children don’t right now are the result of the Israeli leaders and military killing them. It’s silly to say otherwise.
A crude yet understandable statement from a person who was born, grew up and lived her whole life under such horrible circumstances of occupation and racism, especially now that the movement of ultra-racist, right-extremist, illegal settlers gets supplied with weapons by the government to murder Palestinians in the west bank to chase them out of their homes, in an attempt to expand Israel once again.
I do not support violence by either side but is it really so hard to understand her perspective?
Yes, yes it is hard to understand threatening to drink someone’s blood and eat their skull.
Ffs this seems like the easy answer
World is not easy but rather complicated, sorry to tell you …
She obviously used a rhetorical overstatement to emphasize her propaganda/message there, right? What´s so hard to understand about that?
I do not support violence by either side but is it really so hard to understand her perspective?
yes. everything. especially the blood drinking, terrorist supporting and the fucking hitler reference.
That´s obviously a typical case of overstatement in war propaganda …
No shit. Still her statement gross the shit out of me and is completely incomprehensible.
Apply context maybe? Pretty easy to comprehend then …
@Nacktmull @steventhedev Exactly @Nactmull Pretty sure anyone in her position would be saying less than kind things about their oppresor…and Texans would be DOING less than kind things to them
When did Texas get involved?
@Nacktmull Texas didn’t. I’m using it as an example.
Consider that Texas was once part of Mexico, and imagine if a group of militant Mexicans tried to seize Texas back for " historical" reasons. Now imagine how well Texans might react to that.
It’s a reference for Americans to look at Israel versus Palestine
I see what you mean and agree. I think an even better example would be the first nations seizing back the USA from the european occupiers. In that example there even is a “justification” by genocide involved (probably in the Texas/Mexico example too but idk that much about it)
Do you have a limit at where the bloodlust stops being understandable? I, for one, have never felt remotely angry enough to think drinking blood looks good. Shooting people in the head, sure, but eating people? Hell no.
Do you have a limit at where the bloodlust stops being understandable?
In an endless exchange of atrocities like this, sadly there seems to be no limit for bloodlust and hate because both sides are caught in a self amplifying loop of revenge. Please be aware that understanding something does not equal rating it in any way.
I, for one, have never felt remotely angry enough to think drinking blood looks good. Shooting people in the head, sure, but eating people? Hell no.
That´s probably a crude overstatement used as a rhetorical element in her propaganda statement and not meant literally, right? Pretty easy to understand imo.
In the context of a war where atrocities are being committed every day and the video is available to watch I don’t think that somebody saying ‘I want to join in’ can be dismissed as rhetoric. When someone tells you who they are you should beleive them.
Afaik she is a political influencer only and does not take part in any combat at all.
Now, imagine Jews having this sentiment towards Nazis during WW2.
After all, they’re doing to Palestinians what Nazis did to them.
I think a better comparison is the Berlin Wall. Palestinians have blue and green pass cards that dictate where they can go. Or even a Separate But Equal, ala American segregation. I mean Palestinians are limited to certain hospitals, denied utilities and free travel. They drive on separate roads, walled off from the Israeli roads.
… But then thats just the ones outside Gaza. Gazans can’t leave and spend their days in abhorrent poverty, now while dodging bombs.
Really?
They’re rounding up Palestinians, making them dig a trench, and using it as their mass grave after mowing them all down?
They’re putting Palestinians into showers and gassing them all?
Don’t get me wrong: what Israel is doing is absolutely atrocious. But the Nazis engaged in a deliberate effort to depopulate Europe’s Jews. In 1933, there were about 9.5 million Jews in Europe. The Nazis murdered 6 million Jews, and only stopped because they lost the war. In 1900 there were ~590k German Jews. Only about 28k survived the holocaust.
If Israel were trying to replicate the holocaust on the Palestinians, they’d be doing a shit job of it. The Palestinian population has grown literally every year, despite all the disproportionate retributions. The situation in Gaza is terrible and Palestinians have faced a lot of repression, but it’s not really very similar to the Holocaust.
Weird how both you and the other guy have prepared statements already to deny that this is a Israeli genocide of Gazans just like the Holocaust was the German genocide of Jews.
They are on the same level. You don’t want to admit that because you’re trying to defend it.
Nazis also denied they were committing genocide for as long as possible. It was a good tactic to round up as many Jews as possible before people caught wind of what was going on.
They are on the same level. You don’t want to admit that because you’re trying to defend it.
I’m not saying Israel is good, here.
I’m saying that the depravity of the Nazis was next level. That they were completely inhumane monsters. What have you seen that even comes close to something like the sheer depravity of Josef Mengele? The industrialized death of Treblinka? The Nazis literally wiped out the entire Jewish population of Kyiv overnight; over 30k people were massacred in a single event, buried in a particular ravine and only 29 people managed to escape.
What israeli massacres have you seen that even come close to that? I’m being serious, here. Bombing a refugee camp or sniping kids at a protest is pretty fucking bad, but it’s not nazi bad.
Oh really?
Can you show me where the IDF had a doctor take two Palestinian twin children, cut open their backs, sew them back together back to back?
Or infect one twin with typhoid and then do an organ transplant from that one to the other?
Does an IDF doctor have a wall of different colored eyeballs harvested from Palestinians?
Remove their bones, muscles, and nerves without anesthesia?
Maybe attach a 7 year old girl’s urinary tract to her own colon?
The Holocaust is in its own category for a reason, and just because it’s become posh to compare literally everything to it or Hitler doesn’t mean that those things are actually comparable.
Genocide is genocide.
Correct. But not all genocides are the Holocaust.
I’m sure that’ll be really comforting to a child whose family got shot by settlers in the West Bank.
Right, but unless those children are then being put in ovens and burnt to ash, it’s literally not a Holocaust which gets its name from the type of animal sacrifice in antiquity where the whole animal was burnt to ash.
That’s why the Holocaust is called the Holocaust.
We can still talk about genocide as a bad thing like the Armenian genocide, or Russian actions in Ukraine, or what happened in Rawanda, etc.
But none of those were Holocausts, and neither is this.
Not even close.
It’s close enough that they should know better.
Which line would they cross that you would consider too close?
Crazy that people here immediately believe its her that posted this when the Jerusalem Post reports it. It’s a random account in her name with a widely available picture, it not hers
Crazy that they provided proof that it was her account. I guess her coauthor tagged a random account in her name with a widely available picture.
If you’re so certain it wasn’t hers - what was her instagram username before she closed it?
Person says they are to the right of Hitler… They should be treated like other Nazi.
Really hurts the Palestinian cause and people amplifying this might be doing it in bad faith knowing it poisons the well
Easier explanation: She didn’t post it, it’s an obvious fake designed to put her in jail.
are you serious?
Ah yes, JPost, which definitely doesnt have skin in this game. Especially considering she denied the post lmao.
Even then, maybe dont settle and kill her family if you’re gonna be pissed at her response.
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At least one good thing has come out of this war: Most of the Kremlin propaganda Youtube channels that were wall-to-wall anti-Ukraine content through last month have pivoted to anti-Israel content instead.
I don’t see how your comment relates.
Yeah, she’s not helping anyone.
Daft cow
How would you deal with armed settlers kicking your family out of your home at gunpoint? Sounds like you don’t understand the situation in the West Bank, a location with negligible Hamas presence. Over 50 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli settlers and IDF agents sent to help them enforce their colonization.
How would you deal with armed settlers kicking your family out of your home at gunpoint?
Not by saying “What Hitler did to you will be like a picnic”.
Still haven’t told me what you’d do. Answer the question directly instead of deflecting. Imagine your family has been run off their ancestral home and your father was shot in the head by Israeli settlers. Imagine then the IDF backing these settlers up, giving them government approval. Now be honest and ask yourself if it would be easy to remain reasonable and understanding of the opposition at this point.
The way they express this idea is violent and unacceptable but the sentiment didn’t appear in a vacuum. The circumstances that breed this have been very deliberately placed upon Palestinians by extreme Zionists in the Israeli government.
Why ask a question that you know the answer to but you don’t like?
Would you also think it’s unreasonable to evacuate when a volcano eruption is imminent in your ancestral home or do you insist to fight the eruption until your last men dies?
Would you also think it’s unreasonable to evacuate when a volcano eruption is imminent in your ancestral home or do you insist to fight the eruption until your last men dies?
Are you likening the wanton destruction Israel is propagating the specific scenario you replied to, both of which are decisions made by men, to a natural act of destruction which cannot be controlled or fought against?
Because that would be a comically bad metaphor.
No. I crafted my answer in a way that made it more difficult for you to deflect. Can you answer?
I crafted my answer
…poorly.
I’m asking for a real answer not myopic snark. I didn’t ask what you wouldn’t do, I asked what you WOULD do. The irony of you accusing that other person of being disingenuous when that’s your entire perspective. Pathetically transparent.
Israel isn’t an earthquake or a volcano. They are a government run by humans. Unlike a natural disaster, they can dial down the brutality anytime they want. Like the other commenter said, your analogy is so fundamentally flawed it’s amazing you’re defending it with such unearned confidence.
How about instead of a volcano it’s a ship of Europeans trying to enslave your people and take your land? You probably don’t like that because it doesn’t let you absolve the Israeli government of responsibility for their own human decisions.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Palestinian political activist and terrorist supporter Ahed Tamimi called for the murder of settlers in the West Bank in an Instagram post on Monday, according to Israeli media.
“We are waiting for you in all the West Bank cities from Hebron to Jenin - we will slaughter you and you will say that what Hitler did to you was a joke,” she wrote on social media.
The 21-year-old became famous following the distribution of videos and photographs in which she attacked IDF soldiers in several incidents in her home village, Nabi Saleh.
Tamimi was arrested after she was filmed slapping an officer and kicking him during confrontations in Nabi Saleh, with her mother and other young women by her side.
She was convicted as part of a plea deal and also admitted to two additional charges of interfering with a soldier and incitement.
Her violence toward IDF soldiers has created fame for Tamimi in the Palestinian community.
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Sooooooooo religious.
When it turns out in a few weeks that she was never associated with that Instagram post, but the Israeli military used it as grounds to round up and execute her family, you’ll all be very quiet on this.
Israel has no credibility anymore. If you believe a single word from their regime you’re willingly buying into their genocidal narrative.
JPost is heavily biased, but they linked primary sources that upon review do indeed check out.
Where did you read she was executed? That would be an extreme escalation.
They linked a secondary source, which was a twitter post with a screenshot of the supposed Instagram postThat Instagram post, in turn, was not from her actual account, but from a fake account in her name.Come on man, put just the smallest amount of effort into verifying your sources.Edit: am dumb
Where did you see that it isn’t her account? I saw screencaps of her coauthor tagging this account. I saw that the account has been active on Instagram for several years (wayback machine captured it first in 2019). I have yet to see a single answer as to her real account - even the previous one she supposedly stopped using last year.
I did verify my sources. I think you saw something that said what you wanted to think.
Yeah actually looking further, I think the account I thought was her actual one may not be - I thought
ahedtamimiiwas the main account due to the naming & number of followers, but on a more thorough look I think it is not.I retract my argument
Yeah, not keen on Jews that one. It was weird when everybody thought that was cute because she was 16 or whatever.
It’s at least some kind of justice that the lass is 21, but looks like a 63-year-old fishwife from the Outer Hebrides
Damn she slapped a soldier who was invading her land. Mad respect there.
Heh, I don’t think top comments in this thread are panning out the way OP expected.
