What exactly does it mean to be an apartheid state?
Apartheid was explicitly racialized discrimination. White citizens and black citizens had vastly different rights under the law. Black South African citizens, for example, couldn’t vote for parliamentary representatives by 1959.
Israel is different, in that most legal discrimination is on the basis of citizenship. Arab-Israeli citizens face a lot of private racism, but their legal rights are completely different vs Arabs in Palestine without Israeli citizenship.
The difference between Arab Israelis and people in Gaza isn’t racial, it’s whether they lived in Gaza or in what was partitioned into Israel, and if they fled during the 1948 war or not.
Israel’s regime is deeply problematic in many ways. Whether it’s aparthied or not seems mostly in how you generalize your definition of apartheid. If apartheid must be explicitly racialized discrimination against citizens, Israel is obviously not an apartheid state. If discriminating against non-citizens counts, Israel is an apartheid state.
Dude the state can take your citizenship away, if the state was destroyed your citizenship wouldn’t mean shit.
Consider all of that and then now imagine that there is a state that has a sizable number of people without citizenship that the system has no current means of sustaining or helping except to bomb their stuff.
Clearly genocide and a good move for money laundering, but look man I don’t have a horse in the race, I just observe and I wanted it to become transparent that the issue is ironically, not worse, but dumber, not because of a lack of transparency or obfuscation, but because of the fact that this is a system, and a collective mindset that ought to be challenged if not addressed
Fortunately, a misguided demonstration doesn’t dictate policy.
Israel is obviously not an apartheid state.
They’ve self described themselves as that in the past before term became criminalised in the early 2000s
It’s at least debatable and certainly not obvious.
Israel is very very obviously an apartheid state.
What exactly does it mean to be an apartheid state?
Apartheid was explicitly racialized discrimination. White citizens and black citizens had vastly different rights under the law. Black South African citizens, for example, couldn’t vote for parliamentary representatives by 1959.
Israel is different, in that most legal discrimination is on the basis of citizenship. Arab-Israeli citizens face a lot of private racism, but their legal rights are completely different vs Arabs in Palestine without Israeli citizenship.
The difference between Arab Israelis and people in Gaza isn’t racial, it’s whether they lived in Gaza or in what was partitioned into Israel, and if they fled during the 1948 war or not.
Israel’s regime is deeply problematic in many ways. Whether it’s aparthied or not seems mostly in how you generalize your definition of apartheid. If apartheid must be explicitly racialized discrimination against citizens, Israel is obviously not an apartheid state. If discriminating against non-citizens counts, Israel is an apartheid state.
Dude the state can take your citizenship away, if the state was destroyed your citizenship wouldn’t mean shit.
Consider all of that and then now imagine that there is a state that has a sizable number of people without citizenship that the system has no current means of sustaining or helping except to bomb their stuff.
Clearly genocide and a good move for money laundering, but look man I don’t have a horse in the race, I just observe and I wanted it to become transparent that the issue is ironically, not worse, but dumber, not because of a lack of transparency or obfuscation, but because of the fact that this is a system, and a collective mindset that ought to be challenged if not addressed