the article is propaganda btw! many autistic people are still affected by marketing and the like! NO ONE IS IMMUNE
There’s no one a con man loves more than someone who thinks they’re too smart to be conned.
People who think they’re immune to ads are the most vulnerable to ads.
NO ONE IS IMMUNE
Sorry but I’m built different
Hellen Keller?
braille marketing
Speak for yourself
puts on the blue cap
not the kind of blue cap i first thought of when i saw this notification
Advertisements work opposite for me. If I see an ad, I hate the company. I adamantly will only choose materials based on personal research and the suggestions of my peers. Any suggestion by a corporate entity or otherwise paid method will only serve to brew hate. Beyond that, I will go to just about any means to get rid of ads. I often refuse to deal with a company if their ads show up when I don’t want them to, or if their ad annoys me. There is no good ad.
only choose materials based on personal research and the suggestions of my peers.
And how do you know what to choose from? Ads.
You may not like it but advertisements work on you. They just need to be more subtle. You are fooling yourself if you think you are immune.
true that google search is littered with ads. But savvy consumers know how to do research while avoiding sponsored content and finding unbiased specs and reviews.
Same. It’s very weird I guess. Ads just make me dislike a brand for trying so hard, or not trying hard enough. Also mainstream stuff tends to irk me the wrong way
Autistic people fall hand over foot for propaganda.
I believe you no questions asked
Certainly when I was younger that was absolutely the case. I like to think now that I’m older I’m a little more of a free thinker. But ads? Specifically targeted ads? I don’t stand a chance. If I see a game on sale that I’m mildly interested in or a new D&D source book that sounds cool I will buy it without regard for if I need that money for something else.
@elonmusk
Immune is overstating it, strongly resistant is more accurate. I hate labeled clothing, or team clothing. It irritates me when my car has a dealer label, and do not blow smoke about how cool I will look, with whatever or wearing whatever. If my vehicle moves from A to B, is reliable, safe, and doesn’t cost an unreasonable amount to operate, I am good. Does anyone else parse ads, to see their actual claims in neutral language? And filter out the puffery filler words?
Make it noise-cancelling, however, and I am very interested. NRR 33+ brings a smile to my face.
Between not watching TV & the pihole router cleaning our internet feed, I may not be immune to ads, but I sure as fuck don’t see them.
This just makes ads stick out like a sore thumb when I actually run into them
Yeah but I cannot remember those personally. Wasn’t a target for ads to also be memorable? Probably only ad I can rethink in my mind is of this one mobile game I’ve seen reposted on Reddit in a meme group where they deepfaked Oppenheimer and Abraham Lincoln
I almost never remember the brand from advertisements, even if there’s a funny one people talk about. “Oh, it was Tide? But it had nothing to do with laundry.” It’s odd how so many ads leave you going, “What were they even trying to sell?”
I don’t remember them, it’s just like “ew ads, I hate those!” I noticed them more since I rarely see them.
I use Connect for one of my Lemmy accounts, and I have it set to use WebView, for the memes. But whenever I open an actual website it’s absolute fucking cancer
How blocking affects pi temperatures? Is it same as idle?
Barely moves the dial
Nobody is immune to propaganda.
That said, when it comes to advertisements, I hate them passionately, and will often note the brand in the advert so I can avoid it.
I don’t know how people can function while there’s a flashy animated thing to one side of their screen, I literally cannot read the main content until that is gone or covered up. It muddled my brain until it’s gone.
Heck, even an overly busy and colourful web page due to a bunch of static ads is very oppressive and difficult to deal with. An untidy website gives me an untidy mind, basically.
I just don’t get how people wade through this crap and get anything done. I’ve blocked ads for decades now, and I’m never going back.
How do you know company A is really advertising to you Company B’s product, which is a competitor of theirs?
Whenever I use a computer without an ad blocker, I’m literally holding out my hand on the screen to block the ad so it doesn’t distract me. ADHD+ND is a bitch.
I hate them passionately, and will often note the brand in the advert so I can avoid it.
I’ve been getting a letter from State Farm Insurance every week (sometimes multiple per week… sometimes multiple per day) for over almost 20 years. I’ve moved 15 times and they still follow me. All this has done is guarantee I will never sign up for their shitty insurance. I’ve been thinking about calling them just to try and get the letters to stop. I had to do this with XM… it worked, until I got a new car and another free 3 months. Now I guess I need to call and yell at them again.
Ads don’t actively persuade you to buy something immediately. They plant the information in your mind so that one day when you need to buy something, the first thing that comes to mind is the advertised product. Targetted ads try to shorten this period by guessing what you might need in the shortest term. Autists simply miss the information if they’re not paying attention.
Oh, we’re paying attention, we’re just so insulted that such a pathetic attempt to incept us is what passes for acceptable marketing from multi-billion dollar corporations that we’ll gladly buy the brand that didn’t advertise simply because it knew to leave well enough alone.
Ads both plant information and attempt to persuade. How much effort went into each and how effective they are varies wildly. Furthermore, there are multiple reasons autistic persons aren’t as suseptible to advertisements; it is true that different things tend to get our attention, but it’s also true that we find some arguments to be less persuasive. For example “I did this thing and my life is amazing” is far less likely to influence an autistic person than a neurotypical one.
The secret is realizing you are never going to be happy, and that’s something no product is ever going to be able to change.
IDK, HRT helped lots of my friends be much happier than they have ever been for an extended period of time.
I can certainly see that as the case for impulse purchases.
What baffled me was a stretch where I was getting banner ads for a particular company’s multi million dollar yachts. I was wondering who in the world would be swayed by such a frivolous thing as a banner ad for such a gigantic purchase.
“Tell me what your product is and why I should buy it”
“Buzzword buzzword appeal to emotion happy white suburban family sugary jingle product in frame for like 1 second”
“… what are you selling and why should I buy it??”
The biggest problem with modern advertising is that they try to sell you on the idea before establishing what the idea even is. More often than not they’re not even selling a product so much as a lifestyle which will never apply to you, so why should you even care in the first place?
The biggest problem with modern advertising is that they try to sell you on the idea before establishing what the idea even is.
This is definitely a running theme with ads, in fact there has been multiple instances where I have seen an ad, and despite seeing the entire duration I literally have no idea what was actually been advertised to me haha.
Probably to make you go look it up and get the brand further planted in your mind. Just my hunch.
Yeah definitely, I was thinking it was so you keep watching the ad till the end to work out what it’s for which is in the same vein
I really hate software where you go to the website to learn about it and it’s all artistic graphics and nonsense, and doesn’t show the actual product at all. Business software is the worst for this.
OP I have the 'tism and I have just one thing to say:
You to are propaganda not immune
I propagate not immuna
I propagated with ur mom last night
Shit, is that why any time I sense the marketing it makes me not want the product??
That’s your mind’s natural immune system fighting BS
As a general rule, if I want it, I seek a good deal. If I am approached, it’s bad deal for me so I avoid.
I was today years old when I found out I was autistic.
Just kidding, I’ve known for years.
Yeah I’m pretending a bit, I’ve been aware for a mere few months now
Foolish lemmings, you only thought you could escape from the endless barrage of advertisement on this obscure technology forum, but over the past 3 months, I have TRICKED you into watching my super awesome movie that I’m currently not allowed to promote in theater!
Nowhere is safe from the masterful marketing techniques of Academy Award nominated character actress Margot Robbie. Nowhere.
Ms Robbie, you’re making a scene
You’re going to have to be way more specific than that, because as an actor, Academy Award nominated character actress Margot Robbie makes a lot of scenes!
Marketing just isn’t adjusted to people with autism because they are only a small part of the population.
They can definitely manipulate you if they so desire.
No, no they can’t esp when I block all ads
I feel like about 4% of all the comments on Lemmy are just people telling each other they use an adblocker
Do you listen to the radio or live in a state with billboards? Do you go anywhere in public? Lots of places you can’t block advertisements…
Dude, you’re talking about people with autism and on lemmy. Do you really think it’s a stretch that they wouldnt leave the house? Most of us left reddit because they stopped letting us browse the way we want with the app we want.
Who tf listens to radio? I haven’t turned the radio on in my car since I got it in 2017. I don’t even know it it works, nor do I care.
The most a billboard has ever gotten from me is an eye roll and cringe. I’m focused on driving or my phone as a passenger. Advertisements do not enter my home or my work.
It’s a huge fucking culture shock when I see an advertisement. People are really out here still sitting through multiple minutes of ads. YouTube ads that will play for hours if you don’t press skip. I didn’t know this shit existed til I saw it on my friends TV and I convinced them to at least pay for YouTube premium.
I do not fuck with ads, my guy. They exist but they don’t exist in my sphere of influence.
Nope live in a small town up in Canada and I use Stingray Music that has no ads and we have no adverts on our streets
Have ADHD with an inability to unfocus from being hyperfocused. I hate ads. I go out of my way to block it and if anything slips through, I mute or just simply turn away.
Funny thing is for work, I’m in marketing/advertising.
This is like seeing how the sausage is made.
And I hate it. It’s a living.
Marketing is a $1/4 TRILLION industry in the US alone because it works. Thinking that you are immune to it for one reason or another is laughable. In fact those that think they are immune to it, probably are the most susceptible to it’s pull.
If not immune then what, how do you explain someone that never bought something he saw in one of the countless ads thrown at him?
They are broke
I laughed, then I cried.
never bought
I’d call them a lying sack of shit, quite honestly, because the best marketing is subliminal and can create a desire that you might not notice for a while or in a different environment. You don’t have to click on an ad or immediately jump on Amazon to be affected by marketing. But the fact that you might remember the name of a certtain product when you go to the store and buy that type of cereal or simply yearning for a certain type of phone or shoes or car means that marketing is indeed working on that person.
But the fact that you might remember the name of a certtain product when you go to the store and buy that type of cereal
I would look for the knockoff brand that’s cheaper.
or simply yearning for a certain type of phone or shoes or car
I used to do this when I was younger, but now the things I want are based in pragmatism. I didnt want my Toyota matrix because I saw an ad about how safe and efficient they are; I wanted it because it is statistically one of the most reliable vehicles produced in the last 20 years. I did my reading and looked at data analyses and chose what I wanted based on the facts.
What about the sneakier ways of advertising? Companies sometimes pay people to write reviews, even if they aren’t an influencer. This is because it looks like a “normal person” wrote it, so other people will be more likely to trust it.
You might hear some and not know it, there is a lot of noise in a lot of places. Free samples are also a form of advertising, as the company is paying for them to be given out. It might even be a little sticker on a box of something that you already buy. Grocery flyers are a form of advertising. Someone you know may be advertised to and love the product and recommend it. In that scenario, advertising to them would also affect you, even if you didn’t see or hear an ad. Scary stuff sometimes.
The easiest way to fall for it is to believe you are immune. Believing that you are immune to propaganda usually just eventually leads to letting more things slide. The only way to be sure is to be vigilant. Even then, it’s an odds game.
Those are all obvious and well known methods. Not really sneaky as you seem to think.
Like you say, vigilance.
You only buy the knockoff because your income is constrained. If your income was higher, you would be buying the brand that was advertised to you. Knockoffs are inferior goods, which is a Economics term for something that you buy less of when you have more money.
The ad worked on you because you want that type of item instead of something completely different. For example, an iPhone ad will not just advertise Apple but also smartphones in general. When you see the ad, you are enticed to buy an iPhone instead of an Android. But also you are enticed to buy smartphones in general, instead of a snowmobile. This is called “mindshare” and it is something large companies spend billions on.
Everyone knows Coca Cola exists but they still advertise to remind you. They want you to be thirsty, specifically for Coke, but just generally too.
So if a person sees an iPhone ad and goes and buys an android instead, the iPhone ad still worked on them because “mindshare”?
Are you sure it has nothing to do with the fact that smartphones are in integral part of daily life for people? Any adult knows they basically need one regardless of any ads they might have seen.
It’s not that propaganda doesn’t work on them, I see those types falling for neo-nazi shit all the time because they know how to appeal to them. It’s just that they process the world in a fundamentally different way, so a lot of the psychological tricks that propaganda relies on simply doesn’t work on them. It’s kind of like how the early days of white supremacy had a hard time getting women because all their propaganda played to mysogyny. Once they figured out that they can rewire their hatred of women to be a good thing (the trad wife) that’s when they started jumping on board and really driving their influence into the american culture.
I’m autistic and I’ve always felt I had a certain gullibility. If I’m reading an article, and an argument sounds rational. I’m more likely to fall for it. Even if it contains a ton of bad premises. I’d like to think as I’ve gotten older and more mature, these kinds of things work less on me. But honestly I’m not sure.
I can’t say if I’m autistic or not but I hate reading news from sources I know to be untrustworthy because I still find myself thinking “this sounds correct” until I finish reading and remember it’s 99% bs
I have autistic relatives, and while marketing tricks generally don’t work on them, FOMO and rule of cool absolutely do. My brother is on the spectrum and constantly has to have the latest Apple devices (he can afford to, he’s got a great job and he’s super smart). My dad was too and he was constantly buying any new gadget he saw.
So I don’t remember either of them ever being swayed by a specific commercial or marketing campaign, but a photo and a description could be enough, which is sometimes worse.
On top of that, their microfixations, like my brother’s with Apple, means they spend an inordinate amount of money on the thing they feel is too cool to pass up.
When my father died, he and my mom had a household full of junk- not a huge mess like a hoarder’s house, just a ton of stuff in the attic and garage and closets and so on- and most of it was technology no one would want. Like a keyboard that would put title graphics on a home video designed for CRT TVs. Or the multiple VHS-C and Hi-8 camcorders he bought. Like my brother, he could afford to do it, but what a waste of money.
So while autistic people don’t often get swayed by advertising, they can, in my experience, still spend way too much money on the cool new thing.
FWIW, I’m autistic (officially) and no autistic people I know are right-leaning.
Same. Almost every autist I know who has any interest in politics is very strongly leftist. It’s the sense of justice and disdain for obvious bullshit, I suspect. At least it is for me.
