• JayDee@lemmy.worldEnglish
    3·
    1 hour ago

    This could be a family guy gag, it fits that perfectly in tone and pace (though it’s not really relateable to a general audience.)

    Being Earnest About it,

    I would say that pure anarchism functions only as a philosophy of self-conduct. Honestly, I think more people understanding the communications of anarchism in that frame would do a lot of good, even if it’s not their final philosophical subscription. I treat it similar to Jesus’ teachings of tolerance, or Buddhism’s ideas of pacifism, however yielding more actionable conclusions, such as participating in anti-establishment action and mutual aid.

    Actual real-world solutions require democratic deliberation within a community, though. There are some more thought-out versions of that which exist, such as Anarcho-syndicalism (conducting supply chains and a pseudo-economy through union-conducted coops broadly), but specifically thrusting forth a specific solution is both a dictation to the anarchist community as a whole, and thus somewhat antithetical to what anarchism is about; and likely to fail, since many communities would likely not be able to replicate many aspects of the template.

  • Guy Dudeman@lemmy.worldEnglish
    3618·
    4 hours ago

    So… here my whole thing… these “anarchists” you’re talking about just… don’t exist. This is a strawman, meant to make tankies continue to feel superior to everyone else. Punching “down” so to speak. I don’t get it. The left SHOULD be about cooperation. The left SHOULD be about well-being for all. But tankies don’t seem to give a shit about that. They just want to punch “down”. That’s all I ever see from tankies. I never see them out helping anyone. I never see them doing anything but being terminally online in their enclaves and sending pig poop pics to people and banning people from their enclaves for actually trying to have a serious conversation. That’s literally, like, it.

    • HowdyLemmy@lemmy.zipEnglish
      51·
      1 hour ago

      So… here my whole thing… this “Linux” you’re talking about just… don’t exist. This is a strawman, meant to make users continue to feel superior to GNU+Linux users. Punching “down” so to speak. I don’t get it. Linux SHOULD be about cooperation. Linux SHOULD be about well-being for all. But users don’t seem to give a shit about that. They just want to punch “down”. That’s all I ever see from users. I never see them out helping anyone. I never see them doing anything but being terminally online in their enclaves and sending pig poop pics to people and banning people from their enclaves for actually trying to have a serious conversation. That’s literally, like, it.

      • Kichae@piefed.caEnglish
        51·
        2 hours ago

        They just need their grain hopper filled and a scritching behind their ears.

        • Ecco the dolphin@lemmy.mlEnglish
          1·
          53 minutes ago

          I’m just a passerby, and I’m not going to do any reading lists or arguments or whatever I’m just going to point something out.

          There’s someone in this thread who said this (I have no desire to throw shade at this person, we’d probably be best friends IRL):

          It becomes easier when humans don’t have the toil of physically moving the packages. My husband would build and program the robots right now if I let him. (Too afraid that he’ll overthrow society before the 4 thieves vinegar collective publishes the recipes for the medications that I need to survive)

          And I struggle to understand where the microchips will come from. I’d love to live in a world where a global supply chain arises that allows precision manufacturing in an anarchist way. I also wish pokemon were real and ethically possible.

          That’s what this meme is about. Anarchist robots. Honestly I think typing this is probably a waste of time, just kind of an explanation of a joke that some people are trying to not understand.

          • undergroundoverground@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            30 minutes ago

            I think the misunderstanding comes from conflating anarchism with anarchy. It’s the systems of control, coercion and hierarchies that people would do away with, not knowledge, machinery or the ability to organise things.

            • Ecco the dolphin@lemmy.mlEnglish
              2·
              25 minutes ago

              I totally get that, but I struggle to imagine a community choosing to (destructively, there’s few ways to do it) mine their nearby environment for rare metals so some other community can ship it to another community that has a massive cleanroom industrial floor in a horizontal hierarchy. It doesn’t seem achievable, and I am someone who has organized my own local folks for collective purposes.

              • undergroundoverground@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1·
                15 minutes ago

                I agree that it’s hard to imagine. To me, it’s more of a true north than something that could be achieved in the next 100 years. It’s more of a save yourself thing anyway. No ones coming to save us.

                People do kind things for each other. Exchange can still exist and people will have a lot more time of their hands to help their neighbours, near and far, if they’re not being exploited all day. Things will have to be done and not everyone will want to farm their own food.

                No one’s going to see it if they’re looking for it through the lenses of our current system in the same way people a few hundred years ago wouldn’t be able to imagine large scale building projects without an army of slaves.

        • Zorque@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          1 hour ago

          You can use whatever scary term you want for the phantoms who you hold responsible for all the problems in your life.

    • Zer0_7092@lemmy.zipBEnglish
      34·
      3 hours ago

      Unbridled evil is when the joke is obvious

      Live a little, without humor you miss out on a lot in life

    • vagrancyand@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      21·
      51 minutes ago

      Well good news, the only people that think tankies are fascists are people that believe neoliberal and fascist propaganda is only factual and can never be either exaggerated or just lied about.

        • vagrancyand@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          11·
          32 minutes ago

          ‘Oh sure, the CIA got caught doing and admitted to selling weapons to Iran and used the money to buy drugs from the contras in attempts to destabilize both regions, and sure they openly supported Al Qaeda financially and with training in order to destabilize the region, and sure there are literally hundreds of thousands of declassified files that tie the CIA to almost every terrorist organization in the world which would assign the majority of violent deaths since WWII solely to the US government which has been, according it its own intelligence agency, the single greatest contributor to world instability in world history, having caused far more damage than all empires and all other countries that you could ever possibly list… but you know what, they definitely wouldn’t train and arm Turkish nationals to commit terror attacks across western China resulting in a nationwide crackdown that the US government would later allege is a genocide despite having plenty of evidence that it simply isn’t; and you know they would never arm and train ‘protestors’ who violently take over several blocks of beijing causing at least twenty deaths before riot police and the army could step in and then take a photo out of context and use it as some kind of symbolic ideological attack on how awful the Chinese government is. They’re just not capable of that.’ - The average Lemmy liberal.