Drug rights!
Alternative path… Get Trans Medical Care classed as Medical Care, then get Medical Care as a human right.
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trans medical care has more in common with therapy than medical care.
Therapy is medical care and has been since 1996. And it’s weird to bring up tooth extraction as a contrast, because dental care is actually treated differently than medical care.
Do you have a datapoint on dying from incorrect HRT dosage? All I could find are the studies saying gender affirming care reduces risk of suicide.
Ok, I didn’t check anything when writing my comment. I couldn’t think of a better example than tooth extraction.
Trans rights is just an empty platitude to cishet people who want to feel open-minded and progressive for not treating passing trans people like shit.
I’m cis, but for me it’s basic bodily autonomy, I should be able to transition if I wanted to, and the fact that I don’t want to, doesn’t mean I shouldn’t have that right.
I also support my gender non conforming friends. I’m not just a selfish prick
I agree. However, I wonder how easy this concept is to sell for general population. (Excuse me in advance, if my ramblings seem ignorant, just trying to organise my thoughts…)
Most people seem to agree that free trans healthcare is vital treatment for an illness of dysphoria that make people suicidal. This is the transmed position if I’m correct. They might be completely unaware that there are trans people without dysphoria. (Heck, I just recently learned that too.) The thing is, if being trans would not be classified as an illness, then it might fall into cathegory of cosmetic treatments or such that are not usually tax-funded. There would be freedom of choice but it would depend on one’s personal wealth. Also, I get confused about this discussion whenever brought up, because US healthcare is so different compared to country where I live. (Well, our politicians are working on to change that by ruining everything.)
I’m taking from your comment that your knowledge may not be as concrete on the subject so my intention is just to add info to hopefully give more context :p sorry for the longer read, despite trying to slim it down it’s hard to without cutting important info.
Firstly, idk if it was a typo or not… But it’s important to recognise that even to this day, being trans is not considered a mental illness. Internationally and in official medical journals and mental health classifications. The dysphoria that can affect us is what’s considered a medical condition due to the significant distress and depressive effects it can cause and so is classified as such to allow for medical services to know how to treat it.
And yeah, some people may have significant dysphoria and need HRT to help with it alongside social transitioning (name chance, pronouns etc).
Some people may have slight, or no dysphoria but choose not to pursue HRT for varying reasons.
In the same way some people may have depression but choose not to take meds, or someone with ADHD may choose not to take meds. It comes down to the severity and the individual preference of that person. I don’t see why the public could reasonably accept the suggestion that treating Dysphoria is cosmetic while we’d for obvious reasons not take seriously someone who’s suggesting the same for conditions like ADHD/depression. Other than for the intention of restricting individual bodily autonomy for a targeted minority :p (Not surprisingly, the major global bankrollers of anti-trans rights are also major funders of removing women’s bodily autonomy rights…)
So I don’t really agree with the idea that the public understanding this would cause hrt to be classed as cosmetic… The issue and topic was never about making hrt available without diagnosis. Most medication requires some sort of diagnosis. The issue is that in some countries, even with public healthcare, it’s commonly stacked against us even getting the diagnosis to begin with.
The UK is a (depressingly) perfect example of a restrictive system: HRT is provided via the NHS, and funnily enough for cis people you could get it within the week or so after visiting the GP (after any possible blood tests etc) when needed. You’d be forgiven for assuming that it must be working great for trans people too, who also pay the same taxes into the same system… But instead trans people face 5-15 year waiting lists for a significantly small number of NHS gender clinics. And that decade-long wait is just to get the appointment for diagnosis so you can finally get hrt through the NHS. Wales recently even recently suspended one of their better performing clinics because they were worried the clinic was getting through the backlog too fast compared to the stagnating UK average. So most trans people end up forced into paying £1-2k a year, (those who can afford to) with private clinics just to get the assessment, dysphoria diagnosis, meds and blood tests/monitoring… The same process and meds which costs the NHS nowhere near the thousands asked for via private.
It’s basically a state-manufactured “high demand / low supply”, which causes a lot of pain and risk of life, while politicians kick the can down the road and act like their hands are tied on fixing it.
The solution to the problem isn’t about if dysphoria is classified as a health condition or not. It never was, that’s just a distraction from the real issue. The solution is more funding, more clinics, more training to doctors and nurses on trans healthcare (which is shockingly not taught to NHS students in the national curriculum), and remove the ridiculous need for years, if not a decade+, of waiting, and the hoops we have to jump through just to get the help we are pleading for. The solution is to actually believe trans people when we say that we’re trans, and to leave us be with the rights to our own bodies.
The solution is for the public to be willing to stop, listen and understand.
Also, seeing HRT as the treatment for dysphoria is not a transmed position in any way. It’s actually widely agreed and accepted by the vast majority of trans people. I’d be surprised to find a trans person who didn’t agree with that.
Thank you for your patience. Nowadays I have trans friends and try to understand what these issues and their current discourse are all about. I’ve studied social sciences and gender research at uni, but I’ve also grew up in a small town were trans people never were a thing. (Also, I’m a bit gender non-conforming myself, but avoid definitions, because I cannot trust capability of people to understand my idiosyncratic views.) Anyway, there’s still a lot to unpack. Most of the misunderstandings here might be caused by my careless way of interchangeably write about my thoughts, speculations about the public opinion, the institutions and so on. I try address a few points:
But it’s important to recognise that even to this day, being trans is not considered a mental illness.
Yes. I’ve seen some people (although usually bigoted ones) thinking like that, but not sure how common it is. Research might be analytical enough to see them separate, but I wonder what is the reality in clinical settings. I believe, it is de facto a condition to have a medical record about trans-adjacent pathology to be recognised as trans (= juridically + rights to have treatments). My belief could be wrong though.
I don’t see why the public could reasonably accept the suggestion that treating Dysphoria is cosmetic while we’d for obvious reasons not take seriously someone who’s suggesting the same for conditions like ADHD/depression. Other than for the intention of restricting individual bodily autonomy for a targeted minority :p
Yeah, my cynic reasoning was pretty much that average people don’t have reasonable views about minority issues—especially, if it becomes more about supporting something positive like gender euphoria, because no fun is allowed. I mean, if there is a trans person with no dysphoria wanting HRT, would an average tax-payer accept to pay for that even with an unlikely possibility and minuscule cost? I’m afraid not, but maybe I’m just pessimistic.
Also, seeing HRT as the treatment for dysphoria is not a transmed position in any way. It’s actually widely agreed and accepted by the vast majority of trans people. I’d be surprised to find a trans person who didn’t agree with that.
As far as I’ve understood, there are some trans people that would want the HRT even without the dysphoria (or the diagnosis). That’s why I was thinking that maybe the public (transmeds?) might want to keep the diagnosis (or some other medical process) as a gatekeeping condition for HRT. Obviously, they have many other reasons too.
And yeah, more funding to healthcare would probably be optimal pretty much everywhere. I’ve waited years in queues just for the basic mental issues (depression & co) alone.
Do you think trans medicalists are the only people who are pro free hrt for trans people? That’s delusional and completely wrong.
I’m not a transmedicalist and I also am a literal medical advocate fighting for my right to access free HRT and surgery? I can just straight up post my case if you want because I won’t let this bad take stand. Dysphoria is still 100% a diagnosis that is separate from being trans and that is obviously not the reason trans healthcare has been put at risk on a global and local scale.
Sorry, I don’t comprehend what made you draw that conclusion. I was merely speculating that free HRT without a diagnosis might not be very popular political reform, at least in my country.
“How dare you have medical transition needs!”, yelled the angry petit bourgeoisie and middle classers who merely didn’t want to pay $5 more (if that) on their yearly taxes to fund it, and equated it with government oppression
I think you mistyped “pay -$100” : trans peeps and their productivity leave otherwise…
does anyone actually call people who ask for trans medical care as a right truescum? from my experience thats only used by trans people, for other trans people who throw trans people who don’t medical transition (in every possible way) under the bus. and i believe everyone who uses it like that agrees that trans medical care should be a right independent of whether everyone needs it.
anyway free (trans) healthcare for everyone now!!
kinda? it’s a meme, so ofc it’s exaggerated. but as hrt is getting more and more restricted, there’s been a rise in “remember that you’re just as valid if you’re not on hrt!” messaging. the people who call this out as a tacit encouragement to not transition are often called transmeds (not so much “truscum”, i don’t really see people use that word these days, but they’re pretty much synonyms anyway).
Huh? I tell people to right out come out of the closet and fight their right to medical care if they want it all the time because it’s worth it and no one has ever called me truscum ever? Like people don’t like hearing it but they don’t call me truscum or transmed. That is a you problem
i mean it hasn’t happened to me either, but i’ve seen it happen to other people, mostly on places like twitter or tiktok
Ah, why I would recommend moving off those platforms that silence pro-trans voices. It definitely does devolve to that when the only queer users left on your platform are the ones that are “safe” for cis people.
Basically the overton window is so far to the right on those platforms it makes sense that’s where you would find the highest concentration of transphobic trans people. Then without voices of reason to do logic the arguments get really fucking stupid.
Every trans person I talk to is pro whatever type of gender affirming healthcare for every person who wants it trans or cis as far as I am aware lol.
The most basic of trans rights is the freedom of each person to modify their sex and their gender presentation as they see fit, and with minimal interference (none once a person has adult autonomy)
Its covered on the NHS, for now at least. But there have been a lot of attacks against it lately.
That’s shocking considering the state of Terf Island and Labour and Reform marrying the establishment.
Nigel Farage and Andy Burnham are spineless weak corrupt politicians.
They didn’t bring it in, they just haven’t ended it yet
Hi cis guy here, what does “truscum” mean in this context? I thought it was an antitrans slur?
From my understanding, it is someone who makes it a requirement for being trans to have dysphoria. Essentially a weird gatekeeper.
Among other related positions, yes.
“You aren’t trans if you don’t want bottom surgery” is another common one.
As a trans gal myself who wants bottom surgery; i think people should be able to decide for themselves. it’s all valid
someone wants to get top surgery? go get it man
want feminising HRT, but no name or clothing change? hell yeah gal(by)
find euphoria more useful as measure and want nothing, just your acknowledgement as an empty void with sib as pronouns? yes absolutely sib
have what you have and be an ally? valid as hell
FOMO isn’t a thing for everything; decide for yourself in what ways you want and need. the only one who can decide is you
and on that regard i think to make choices easier, all of it should be possible.
people should be able to decide for themselves
Yes! In all things, not just trans things. Hair color, piercings, tattoos, robot arms… whatever. It’s your body so it’s your choice. Always and forever.
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We can fight many battles at once! Trans healthcare is a subset of heathcare reform, which isn’t on your list but probably should be.
“Can we focus on things that affect everyone before addressing racialised police violence? All lives matter!”
I think we can do both, personally. And I don’t think trans people deserve to be told that their healthcare “can wait” because it’s “not as important right now”
Sure, but as a consolation prise, we take away your rights. Community will decide what your name is, how you look, what genitals you have, and if you as much as voice your displeasure you will get assaulted and thrown in jail. And to make it slightly more fair, we also do the same with everyone you ever loved, all your friends and family. Then we will ask you why aren’t you active on the problems of housing crisis.
On second thought, nevermind. It’s not a good way to live, I don’t want to subject anyone to it, even you
