• Thor_Whale@lemmus.org
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    Or anybody who signs up to point a gun and shoot at someone else over fucking black goo in the ground is a dipshit in my mind. Let the boomers go shoot it out. They’re just as dumb as their parents.

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    I wonder what % of Republican boomers that support the war in Iran also refused, in one way or another, to fight in Vietnam.

    Would be an interesting stat to see.

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      That was a pretty common evolution they went through. My mom was a free love hippie that is now basically a Nazi. She can’t understand why I cut her out of my life.

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        Same for my mom. Always a people loving hippie and into crystals and alternative healing, but during covid she discovered telegram and now she votes for the far right and believes in qanon or whatever the latest stuff is.

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          It’s honestly fucking tragic.

          But it has taught me that my dad cared more about the aesthetics of the hippie culture, but never actually stood for any real ideology. Just shallow bullshit like music and fashion. And acid.

          I suspect this is probably the case for a lot of ex-hippies.

          Real fucking shame.

          And don’t get me wrong, the music was fucking awesome. I just wish there was more substance.

          Interestingly, this made me think of George Harrison talking about visiting San Francisco in, I think 1967. He was struck by how vapid it all was.

          However, he turned to spirituality instead of rationality.

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          Hippie » alternative medicine » anti-vaxxer » Russian propaganda consumer » nazi

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        The hippie to fascist pipeline is real. Their tendency to distrust the establishment means they also fall for typical fascists tactics like putting the blame on the establishment and a secret cabal in power for all their problems. Like in my country during Covid lockdowns these so called “spiritual” people voted for the blatantly fascist party.

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          As I said in another comment, it taught me that my father apparently only cared about the aesthetics of being a hippie, but there was never any deeper political ideology or understanding underpinning it.

          I imagine this was the case for a lot of ex-hippies.

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            Also lots of people became hippies purely to rebel against their parents. Bet many dads back then had untreated war trauma and thus were quite unbearable parents.

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          That sounds plausible, but I don’t think that’s the case for my mom. I think she was just going with the trend, trying to be in the “in group”. I can say with 100% certainty a big part of her Nazi transition is the lack of empathy that she has.

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    No the final fuck your is when they leave whatever money they have left to their goddamn church.

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        There are differences, actually from country to country. Austria for example pioneered the whole thing (at least in Europe) when, what is nowadays conservative mainstream, was in the international media reported as “nazi country doing nazi things”. Those stories stopped at some point or had gotten so hypocritical that they approached satire level. Not because those things aren’t “nazi” btw, but because they became popular in most Western countries.

        Austria has been through at least 3 right populist cycles already, starting in the 1980s. Cycles, because unless the populist right manages to degrade democracy enough, they always blow themselves up due to their boundless corruption.Their voters remember for a few years (except for the hardened Nazi core) and then suffer from mass dementia and go back to those very same people who messed up the last time.

        In short, Europe is just one stepb behind the US. The fascist traitors dressing up as patriots do encounter setbacks once in a while though, see Hungary.

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      And unfortunately part of that working class are class traitors who vote against the rest of our interests as they pull the ladder up behind them.

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      Until class traitors (boomers) spend decades voting against your future interests.

      The class war is the priority, but it’s ok to be mad at assholes pulling up the ladder behind them.

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        When I visit my father I would walk with his next door neighbor. This guy never understood the whole idea of social agreements. What I mean by that is his daughter went to high school for free off the taxes of somebody else but now when he’s paying taxes and doesn’t have his daughter in school he bitches and moans that he has to pay and he shouldn’t have to. I’m like dude someone paid for your daughter so it’s your responsibility to pay for someone else’s daughter. Someone helped you so it’s a social agreement to help them. He doesn’t get it, it’s like you must be really stupid and greedy or something.

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        Considering the complete lack of correlation between issues that voters care about and the policies that politicians actually enact, I don’t think that merely voting makes boomers blameworthy.

        Studies have repeatedly shown that politicians in both parties do not act in accordance with what their voters want, so clearly voting does not affect policy.

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      Sure, but the bourgeoisie have convinced a large portion of the would-be proletariat to side with them. So insomuch as the average ‘soldier’ in this war is more likely to encounter a coal-rolling boomer than Elon Musk, there is more to this than pure class politics.

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      The older I get and the more I understand that boomers had literally it the easiest out of any one in history the more salty I get over them calling millennials & gen Z lazy all those years.

      All you stupid oldies had to do was put like 2% of your paycheck into any index over your career and you would be rich AF right now. Which, is exactly why so many boomers are fucking loaded right now and old a historically disproportionate amount of wealth for the generation.

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        any one in history

        I’ve spent a lot of time thinking about this and I think it’s accurate. No doubt they worked, but they live in the modern age with modern luxuries and probably the best large scale economic climate ever for a single generation. So many boomers are so financially sound it’s almost comical. RV’s fucking everywhere. 2nd homes. It’s like a slap in our faces.

        I’m speaking about American boomers specifically. Especially since they seem so deadset on pulling the ladder up behind them.

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          Exactly. The standard QoL between 1800, 1900, and 2000 is immense. But between 1970/80/90/00/10/20 - it all feels extremely similar or even a bit worse. Cars vs Horse was a big change to out QoL, Landline vs iPhone is arguably lateral or only slightly up. And I feel the same can be said for the majority of innovations over the last 30 years… Like they’re nice sure, but they didn’t really revolutionize our QoL like the generation prior to the boomers experienced.

          Bomers got it “as good as it got” up to now, but weer able to enjoy the average bull run of the last 50 years. Meanwhile younger generations are entering right as it started to taper off.

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        Paying taxes that fund public education despite not having kids? Supporting politicians who want to make our public education system more robust and performant? Supporting politicians and policies to attempt to combat climate change? Giving money to causes related to the above even though I don’t (and will never) have kids?

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            Who the hell are you to judge what they can or should be doing? They might not have the means, time, or health to do more. Get out of here with that high horse.

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              My bad for believing that you should pay forward what society has already done for you. I don’t care that you didn’t intend on having children. People have given far more that you benefited from as a child and the bare minimum is that you do the same.

              No matter what you believe, you have benefited from policy and programs funded by taxpayers who may or may not have had any intention of benefiting you specifically.

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                And they just gave you ways they have given back. Get off your high horse and maybe you would see that. You don’t know that person’s spot in life. They might be doing the best they can. You’re speaking from a point of privilege to demand more.

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                  The ways they give back are all standard expected behavior in a functioning society. Pay your taxes and vote.

                  Do you want a cookie for doing what we all are supposed to be doing?

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            My god you are a massive fucking asshole.

            You must be a blast at the parties no one invites you to.

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              Cute. Projecting? Or maybe someone hurt your fee fees? I’m just some text on the Internet buddy. It’s going to be alright.

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        Not having kids, my bloodline ideally ends with me. At my age my mother already had me and was pregnant with a second child she couldn’t care for, I’m 26 and soon to be 27. I’m hoping I die an irrelevant, ignoble, and funny death.

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        I mean I’m voting to help them every possible chance I get. Something that appears to be anathema to the boomer generation.

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          Sure. There are always lots of great politicians to vote for. I can’t believe those boomers didn’t think of that.

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        currently working at a non-profit for subpar wages to help zoomers and gen alpha afford college, wtf are you doing oh so “holier than thou?”

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          I’m just making my way through the universe, like everyone else, including boomers. My point was that people seem to think that boomers, or any generation for that matter, have a big meeting and decide to fuck up the following generations en masse. I think oligarchs are causing the problems, not 70 year olds, who had the nerve to buy a house because they could. If you were a boomer I bet you wouldn’t have done anything different, because you would not have seen the harm in it. As always the harm comes from the top, not a whole generation.

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    And honestly, at this point if you go to a local Democratic party meeting, see a bunch of protesters on the side of the road, or meet with the local liberal or progressive organization’s members – the majority of the most active members will be boomers in a huge portion of the country. Outside of the cities and/or the odd left-leaning rural area, young people don’t seem to get involved.

    So, to blame the problems on just that generation but also all of that generation is just wrong.

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      I think this isn’t because boomers are the only ones who care about politics, but more because boomers are more likely to be retired now and have free time to do this stuff. I agree that generational warfare is stupid

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      Yea, there was that Power to the People concert in my county this weekend. All the acts and seemingly most of the concert-goes were 40+. Same as the No Kings protest crowds.

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        40+ are Millennials. Millennials are defined as 30 to 45. Gen x are 46 to 60 and Boomers are 61+.

        Millennials grew up with Bush II and saw their country change after 9/11. Younger groups don’t understand what not living in a surveillance state is even like. It’s their normal.

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      Sidenote about local democrats— they’re disgusting. A loop up only propping up their favorite candidates, using their influence to push around elections despite being a limited amount of people many with bad takes, and intentionally they have their candidates run with hidden views so that they win on popularity alone.

      Like, still do it though because there’s really only upsides to influencing them, but just ugh.